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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 9:08:19 AM

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I would have cats, but I hate the smell of a litterbox and I dont live in a place I can put in a cat door.

Sinergy

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Personaly- I own an automatic cat box that eliminates Most of the cat poop/pee smells. It cost about $225 at petco and is one of my favorite purchases for the aforementioned reasons. Also- Indoor Cats live an average of 12 years, whereas outdoor cats live an average of 7 years.... Just points to ponder.
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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 9:53:28 AM

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I think more in terms of qualities and potentials in a slave than I do specific skills.

Extrordinary slaves, oddly enough, share a quality with extrondinary leaders. They have a deep desire to be of service. What they do not share with extrordinary leaders is a passion for self-determination. If a slave does not genuinely have this quality; in other words, they are motivated to slavery by what goodies they get, rather than the desire to serve, they will ultimately either rule their master from their knees, or be disappointed.

Closely related to the desire to serve is the capacity for devotion. Is a slave really prepared to live a life of devoted service? Once they have accepted a man as their master, has their heart's desire really turned to his hapiness and fulfillment? Is their genuine, heartfelt desire to achieve what they achieve, and become what they become for the benefit of another, rather than for their own sake? Eastern philosophies consider this trait highly valued in humans in general. Infinite altruism, or "botichitta" it is called. It is something beautiful to behold in a slave that really does posess it, as is the spiritual bond between such a slave and their master.

Finally, what is the slave's capacity to feel deeply, respond deeply, and love intensely? What is her capacity for joy? What is her potential for sexual heat and desire? If you have ever seen a slave deeply moved by a kind word or gentle touch from their master, or genuinely joyous over having been of even the smallest service to him, it's not something you soon forget. Any man who knows his own mind will tell you that a woman who exhibits genuine sexual heat and passion surpasses a woman who has just learned a set of skills any day of the week.

Muscle control, the womanly arts of the house, and sexual skills can all be taught, especially to a woman who has a deep desire to please in the first place. The things above are far more difficult to teach. A woman who does not posess them already must at the very least aspire to them, and be prepared for a long and difficult transition. A man who accepts such a woman as a slave must be patient, and skillful in his means of opening her heart and allowing these qualities to arise.

So, there is the answer from the man referred to as the chief simian on this board. Though it may not apply to higher primates, we neanderthals make do.

Take care of yourselves.

Leonidas

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 10:29:11 AM

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Sinergy-
Personaly- I own an automatic cat box that eliminates Most of the cat poop/pee smells. It cost about $225 at petco and is one of my favorite purchases for the aforementioned reasons. Also- Indoor Cats live an average of 12 years, whereas outdoor cats live an average of 7 years.... Just points to ponder.
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Hrm, may have to buy one. My life is incomplete without a cat to help me self-actualize my inner need to serve.

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 10:31:22 AM

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So, there is the answer from the man referred to as the chief simian on this board. Though it may not apply to higher primates, we neanderthals make do.

When I refer to the Simian in Chief, I am referring to Shrub, alternately known as Dubya, and by some the President of the United States of America.

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 10:34:14 AM

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Hello,

I got a cat when I was 13 years old. This cat was an indoor / outdoor cat I loved dearly.

She had to be put to sleep at the age of 23.

Rest in peace, little one.

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 10:35:40 AM

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I must have missed that. I wasn't referring to you actually. There was someone else who decided that I was a monkey because she didn't like what I was saying. Thanks for taking the time to post though.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 2:30:32 PM

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hmmm...where to begin. Well as you know from our brief talk yesterday, I go about things far different from many others and my techniques are thus very different from others.

So I look for the hidden treasure. I don't immediately search out the prettiest suck slut in a 5 mile radius at least not for my choice of submissives.

First things I search out is Intelligence, Honesty and Devotion. The most important aspects. As stated in a previous post, I require that they be upfront enough about their lifestyle in their lives to be free and forthcomming with their prior experiences, current desires, inhibitions, dreams, goals. This is where you first gain insight into their minds eye.

Secondly I normally seek out someone at least a small distance from whereever I am at that given time as that is the first realization of their willingness to submit. The pilgrimage of desire. Their first real command. If there is hesitation even in the sligthest degree then they are not inhibiting necessary devotion. If they are ruled by fear, they cannot be ruled by any Master. I do not hold slaves. Slaves stay beyond their will to leave, a submissive stays because it is their will to be disciplined and changed.

From there the stronger the spirit, the stronger the will the better the battle. I also mentioned my joy of breaking down female dommes into the most subserviant children. Each individual is their own unmolded clay though and each will be their own unique creation with it's own unique artistic value. And once that art is created I will send them out into the world a new creation, with a new name and a new life. I normally buy them a ticket to whereever their dreams would take them and they start a new life there with a nice bit of money and whatever they fit into their suitcases. I still keep in contact with many of them and most have done wonderful things with their lives since where before their lives were weak, unfulfilled and without meaning. A few others require additional work still to severe the umbillical cord so to speak.

So to me the best "skills" so to speak is merely a genuine desire for a change of their life and an acceptance in a higher power to give them new meaning in their lives and to be reborn. In this case I am that higher power and their new father and new creator. Without that genuine desire I wouldn't even bother but with it, I can mend even the most broken wings. To me things aren't at all about the sexual aspect or the even the bdsm aspect. Those are all desires I could fulfill at any time with the tip of a hat. What I desire and what I demand is far more precise.

And to the people who find that a female domme is more ruthless, many times it is a ruthlessness without any discipline behind it and in turn they are merely a submissive to their own sadism. Just a thought to ponder. Though my techniques have been known to turn the stomach of even many an extremist...but what is necessary must be done for the greater good.

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 3:08:02 PM

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but what is necessary must be done for the greater good.

the ends justify the means? oh my....i don't pretend to understand the workings of the dominant mind.

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 3:18:03 PM

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AFMVDP-
What is your satisfaction? What do you get from this? A victim to torture? For the goodness of humanity you take and remold these women? Is it your purpose to create somthing dependant on you and send her away? I am not attacking, just not sure what to make of this. But, again, I am a romantic. By taking someone and making them completely dependant then sending them away to the extreme seems cruel. Perhaps they want this, or are hoping that you'll "keep" them anyways. I am just rambling a bit.
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PS- What the hell does afmvdp mean??

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 3:21:40 PM

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There is not a living creature that can teach a person more about being Dominant
in a relationship than a cat.

bursts out laughing as in her profile on MSN she lists as her favorites being her two sadistic Domme kittys

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 3:33:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
I must have missed that. I wasn't referring to you actually. There was someone else who decided that I was a monkey because she didn't like what I was saying. Thanks for taking the time to post though.

It was I. But I didn't call you the simian in chief! ;) And it was directly related to your caveman story. So I found it appropriate under the circumstances.

No bad feelings I hope

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 4:21:08 PM

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<b>Berlin:</b> It is far beyond any sex or any torture. Also I never force them away, I Will them to evolve themselves and they do as such. They are dismissed once their training has been completed but as I said they never leave My life. There is an eternal attatchment between Myself and them that as I stated is like a new birth to them as a new Father. I believe in making them into a work of art and to share that work of art with the world. Eventually I will find the work of art so beautiful and so perfect that I will keep it for Myself forever but until that time I will continue on My current path. I am not poly by any means so it has never been my goal to go through multiple submissives, it is just the way that life leads.

It would be hard for anyone to understand who has not gone through the process. Perhaps I should have one of my priors write a summary of her experience with Me and post that here sometime. Currently they are working on helping Me to refine My written thoughts and processes in preperation for the newest sub I plan to undertake soon for I always believe in evolving Myself, making My personal training and insight deeper and stronger through each child I mold.

AFM = Another Forgotten Machine = Remnants of my past as a traveling musician
VDP = Victors Due Process = Golden Dawn Sex Magick reference

More than just "letters" as it's been put. haha

Though I could also go into the Quabalistic meaning behind each as well, though I'm more of a 333 kinda guy guess I've always been after the Whore of Babalon though. ;)

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 4:42:05 PM

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Hello,

I just wrote something about my relationship with cats.

Cats are entirely self-absorbed creatures. I will have one, feed it, take care of it, and it will lie there in the window secure in the knowledge that all of it's needs are cared for by that tall human who will pet it on demand.

I will walk in and give it a bath.

I hope to eventually convince the cat who the Dominant partner in the relationship is.

Everybody needs a hobby in life.

Sinergy

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 6:28:01 PM

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uumm good luck Sir, as you said cats are the most Dominant lol.....that is why i laugh. i have had many cats and presently have 2 kittens. smiles. we have many battles... i may be submissive but NOT to cats

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 8:43:46 PM

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I'd love a girl who could battle with words with me, debate me, and beat me with my own words.

laughs quietly as she loves to debate....

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/15/2004 8:48:22 PM

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From there the stronger the spirit, the stronger the will the better the battle. I also mentioned my joy of breaking down female dommes into the most subserviant children

what is the purpose of breaking the spirit... isn't it the spirit that drew you to that person in the first place? if you've broken it...what is left but a shell of who that person is. why not just look for someone who is the end result in the first place.

i will never allow someone to break my spirit. i will allow them to touch my spirit, my soul, my heart...my being so that i will willingly submit to them. but as far as breaking my spirit... lol ain't gonna happen

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/16/2004 12:18:12 AM

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I hope to eventually convince the cat who the Dominant partner in the relationship is.

Everybody needs a hobby in life.

Are you going to make the cat paint your house??!!!

Sorry.... couldn't resist.....

Also regarding litter- there's a special brand that is chemically treated to clot up fresh urine so the smell doesn't spread. So far it's been quite effective for my two, even in a cheap primitive litter box.

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RE: The skills of a female submissive/slave - 7/16/2004 1:01:06 AM

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They are dismissed once their training has been completed but as I said they never leave My life. There is an eternal attatchment between Myself and them that as I stated is like a new birth to them as a new Father. I believe in making them into a work of art and to share that work of art with the world. Eventually I will find the work of art so beautiful and so perfect that I will keep it for Myself forever but until that time I will continue on My current path.

afmvdp-
OK, Let me see if I have this correctly. You're taking all of the "Mz. Right-Nows' and making them better people then sending them on their way? I am not being sarcastic, this just isn't a practice I've heard of before. Also, being LTR focused, I find it hard to fathom as a submissive. I am not dismissing you.... I am certainly curious why you would engage so much time and energy into people that aren't permanent fixtures (so to speak) around your abode. I haven't had many "Mr. Right-Nows" because I have been trying to be the best person I can be for Mr. Right (whenever he comes along). I know that my learning takes up a great deal of my time. I may just not understand your nature. Oh, Well. The sun will still come up tomorrow, and I've learned a bit.

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Cats and Where They Poop - 7/16/2004 1:07:10 AM

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I would just like to do a quick commercial announcement for the Littermaid MEGA Automatic Litterbox. It is a real work of art and runs *fairly* silently. It can hold up to a 4 (approx.) pounds of kitty space-poop. It is available in a nice cream color and you can buy accessories seperately. (A- disabled/differently abled/fat kitty access ramp or B- ""Privacy Tent"". I own only A. I am a bad owner.

) It takes a little maintaining, but is well worth the money.
Thankyou for your time.
Berlin

**CRAZEEE CAT LADEEE**

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RE: Cats and Where They Poop - 7/16/2004 6:27:37 AM

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Are you going to make the cat paint your house??!!!

First things first. Got to crawl before I can run.

I will draw the line at buying a cat-sized cheerleaders outfit and putting cat height eye bolts in the kitchen doorway.

Sinergy

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