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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 5:05:19 AM

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The accusation of racism is almost invariably used to limit debate just as was the use of the word communist.
I note Alumbrado misses out the part played by the African "kings" in the slave trade. Does saying that make me a racist?

Asserting that real racism 'almost invariably' doesn't exist, and bringing up straw arguments in defense of slavery makes you an apologist for it.

If that and the rest of your posting history here is motivated by something other than racism, do tell.

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 5:10:36 AM

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I can't tell you how many times kittenSol's called me sexist for not liking Hillary and being pro-life; she's used it to try to shut people who disagree with her on these subjects up.

Actually, you're doing a bit of revisionnism here, aren't you? - but if you want to take it outside, I'm all for it

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There's something racist, though, about people if they think that they should vote for him just because he's half black!

And people conveniently forget that his mother is white

. I think there's a lot of white insecurity in America today because racism is still endemic. White people feel they can't express it because racism has become such a taboo. Sooooo, they throw accusations around of institutional racism against white people - because it's their last resort. If "race" had truly become irrelevant, we wouldn't read comments like the one Curios made above.

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 6:50:30 AM

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Most of it comes from the failed 'Melting Pot" theory. The theory that people of all different types of cultures would come to one country, and then get mixed together to become one nation under god. Racist is actually a misnomer, but it is an effective word to get people to shut up if they are saying something that others disagree with, or that may hurt someone's wittle feelings.

In a country that still has things like affirmative action, all black beauty pagents, black only scholarships, or any culture only type of things, you will always have division based upon ethnicity or culture. It is part of human nature to look at things, ntoice differences and then determine if you like or dislike those differences. Those differences are there for a reason, and I think they are great. What occurs is the "witch hunt" when someone mentions these differences, even if it is not in a negative way.

Being raised low income, and though I am white, being the minority in my neighborhood and school, I got to see that all humans are prone to lines of division. All humans will look at differences and possibly determine they do not like it, and have an agenda against it.

Equality is a myth, and instead of trying to force people to be accepting, those energies would better be spent to insure of equitable treatment under the law.

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 6:55:16 AM

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I see the Brains Trust have been in again.

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 7:00:24 AM

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Equality is a myth, and instead of trying to force people to be accepting, those energies would better be spent to insure of equitable treatment under the law.

The old argument that not all human beings are equal has been used as a way to justify racism, sexism and other unpalatable things, for decades. Argue that not everybody's equal, and it allows you to make some "more equal" than others. It's because of ideas such as yours that the principle of equality under the law is not applied as rigorously as it should be - by the police, by the justice system, and by society in general.

You know... melting pots work: I lived in quite a few.

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 7:06:34 AM

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People get stewed in melting pots.
Name one stable ethnically diverse society in the whole wide world.

By stable I mean without friction occuring as a result of the ethnic mix.
Go on, name one he he he he he he he he

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 7:10:20 AM

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Name one stable ethnically diverse society in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous - why should I play the game with your hand of cards? Try and prove your own points, Seeks.

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 7:22:57 AM

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In reply to the OP, have you seen the voter count? It is very clear that the majority of African Americans favor Obama, and the majority of the white middle class or what is left of it favor Hillary. I am anti McCain. Which one wins the nomination is the one I will go for.
It is about race, and that is the sad part that in this year of 2008, we cannot elect a candidate based on race or gender yet.

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 7:27:40 AM

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Name one stable ethnically diverse society in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous - why should I play the game with your hand of cards? Try and prove your own points, Seeks.

You cant do it then

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 7:28:09 AM

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Often it is seen that those so quick to call 'racist' are only too effective with the word . True, it stiffles debate, debate being a regulated discussion, a civilised action for all concerned. How often is it that those who call this word of terror succeed in their action, the recipient effectively silenced. A brave soul who ignores the taunt and carries on, it may be looked upon as acceptance of the word and there the truth the callers wanted, an opposition much reduced or stigmatised.

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 7:33:22 AM

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Name one stable ethnically diverse society in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous - why should I play the game with your hand of cards? Try and prove your own points, Seeks.

You cant do it then

Eat your own bait

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 7:35:06 AM

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Often it is seen that those so quick to call 'racist' are only too effective with the word . True, it stiffles debate, debate being a regulated discussion, a civilised action for all concerned. How often is it that those who call this word of terror succeed in their action, the recipient effectively silenced. A brave soul who ignores the taunt and carries on, it may be looked upon as acceptance of the word and there the truth the callers wanted, an opposition much reduced or stigmatised.

I'm terribly sorry, Aneirin, but I understood nothing of what you wrote above.

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 7:47:37 AM

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*Fast Reply*

Although I understand what Ferraro was intending to say, I feel she chose the wrong words to express her sentiments. When you use someone's skin color or race to describe them, you run the risk of being labled a racist. This is a risk she took and it seems that it backfired on her.

I wish that I saw the furor of people wanting to be associated with a black person as a positive but I see it as nothing more than a trend that will die off shortly. What is it called, "Mob Think"? People tend to go with whatever seems to be popular at the time and forget about the real issues or the consequences of their actions.

WHITE and BLACK WOMEN specifically should feel the pressure of this election more than men of any race. Clinton is a woman, is America ready for a WOMAN as a leader? Personally, I feel we are, however this may not be the case of the masses. Obama is a bi-racial man meaning techincally he represents the white race just as he does the black race. Is America ready for a President that does not have WHITE skin? Personally, I feel we are, however who knows what the masses think.

It's not racist to think a person of a certain race is not qualified for a specific position, however it is racist to use that race to describe them.

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In a country that still has things like affirmative action, all black beauty pagents, black only scholarships, or any culture only type of things, you will always have division based upon ethnicity or culture.

These things were put in place because there was already division and no equality. Putting affirmative action aside, the Black Beauty Pagents and Black Only Scholarships were in whole funded by Black People. There were no major across the racial barrier corporate sponsors for things such as this initially. The interest only came from non-black corporate sponsors when it was determined that money and/or noteriety could be made from it. They were started so that black people became empowered and show that they are a force to be reconed with. They continue today so that black people continue to become empowered. Until things of this nature came about and flourished, there was no equality. Until there is true equality, these things will continue to exist.

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 7:49:08 AM

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Name one stable ethnically diverse society in the whole wide world.

Ridiculous - why should I play the game with your hand of cards? Try and prove your own points, Seeks.

You cant do it then

So what`s your fuck`n point,mate?

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 8:54:34 AM

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An unspoken point is this...
Were I to make a post critical of Capitalism it would not get the same heated response that would occur if I made a post pointing to the failures present in Africa today or as here noted that multi ethnic societies dont work very well.
On the one hand many would think the post justified but on the other I would be and have been labelled racist.

See? No debate. You are wrong because you are a racist. Simple really ennit ?

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 8:59:14 AM

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See? No debate. You are wrong because you are a racist. Simple really ennit ?

Absolutely. Racism is wrong. Why argue?

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 10:01:28 AM

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Often it is seen that those so quick to call 'racist' are only too effective with the word . True, it stiffles debate, debate being a regulated discussion, a civilised action for all concerned. How often is it that those who call this word of terror succeed in their action, the recipient effectively silenced. A brave soul who ignores the taunt and carries on, it may be looked upon as acceptance of the word and there the truth the callers wanted, an opposition much reduced or stigmatised.

I'm terribly sorry, Aneirin, but I understood nothing of what you wrote above.

Basically, what I *think* he said is that when someone says something non-pc, but correct, the other side cries 'racist' and the debate is stopped. If the debate continues after someone calls the non-pc person racist, it is as if the non-pc person agrees with that label...

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 10:06:44 AM

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Basically, what I *think* he said is that when someone says something non-pc, but correct, the other side cries 'racist' and the debate is stopped. If the debate continues after someone calls the non-pc person racist, it is as if the non-pc person agrees with that label...

People are terrified of words because words are so powerful; reactionnary thinkers have been bashing at progress by calling its language "Politically Correct" in an effort to ridicule and belittle its efforts to improve society for decades.

To cry "PC brigade" as soon as someone is accused of racism because they have made a racist statement is nothing short of pathetic. People should take responsibility for the things they say. If you're going to say something I think is racist, I'm not going to hold back from judging you as being so.

Logical, really *shrug*.

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 10:07:55 AM

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People are terrified of words because words are so powerful;

Not me you can call me whatever you please and I will just come back with the evidence to show how wrong you are

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RE: Racist - 3/13/2008 10:27:48 AM

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Basically, what I *think* he said is that when someone says something non-pc, but correct, the other side cries 'racist' and the debate is stopped. If the debate continues after someone calls the non-pc person racist, it is as if the non-pc person agrees with that label...

People are terrified of words because words are so powerful; reactionnary thinkers have been bashing at progress by calling its language "Politically Correct" in an effort to ridicule and belittle its efforts to improve society for decades.

To cry "PC brigade" as soon as someone is accused of racism because the have made a racist statement is nothing short of pathetic. People should take responsibility for the things they say. If you're going to say something I think is racist, I'm not going to hold back from judging you as being so.

Logical, really *shrug*.

Yes, words are very powerful. And calling someone or something they said racist equally so. The reason I said pc is because in America we have a double standard; anyone who is non-white feels free to comment on race and racial issues; if you are white, and you voice an opinion (and I'm not talking about calling people names, which also has the same double standard btw) and even mention someone else's race in the discussion such as 'blacks are being given better and more opportunities for advanced education, not due to having better grades or earning higher scores, but simply due to the colour of their skin, and I find it insulting to black people and unfair to whites'. Someone will call me a racist.
I know what is in my heart, and I am not a racist.
I believe in equality for all, this also means that we *all* should be able, as adults to discuss issues such as I just mentioned without the stigma of being labeled a racist.
And btw...absolutely what happened to black people in the beginning of this nation is appalling and unconscieonable. But...I have *no* control over that, and can do nothing to change it.
The only time I live in is now. And I'd like to open up a dialogue between all races, where people are free to speak calmly and maturely about the issues that we face today. That would be a beautiful thing.

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