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Level -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 2:25:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Do you think government and news media propaganda could have anything to do with the public's paranoia about Islam in the USA? Absolutely, and when you factor in the asinine behaviour of the nutso terrorists, it makes for troubling times.

popeye1250 -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 2:28:47 PM)
Time to go gun shopping!

dcnovice -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 2:28:56 PM)
quote: Freedom and liberty are great pretexes for hate crimes. "Oh Liberty, what crimes are committed in thy name." Mme Roland at the guillotine, 1793

kittinSol -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 2:40:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnWarren quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol President Nicolas Sarkozy condemned the attack as a "hateful act" and the "most inadmissible kind of racism". What does he see as an admissible kind? quote: "Cet acte relève du racisme le plus inadmissible qui soit et le président de la République partage la douleur de toute la communauté musulmane de France" déclare l'Elysée dans un communiqué." The hyperbole comes from the president's PR - he didn't use it personally. The BBC's translation, whilst accurate, is also too literal and doesn't take into account the nuance of the expression. So no... there is no admissible form of racism.

kittinSol -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 2:41:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Time to go gun shopping! Great idea: let's procur the neo-Nazis with weaponry [8\|] .

kittinSol -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 2:43:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Absolutely, and when you factor in the asinine behaviour of the nutso terrorists, it makes for troubling times. Maybe, but it doesn't follow that this kind of crime against an entire population is understandable because of a few nutters who crash planes and explode themselves.

Level -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 2:45:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Level Absolutely, and when you factor in the asinine behaviour of the nutso terrorists, it makes for troubling times. Maybe, but it doesn't follow that this kind of crime against an entire population is understandable because of a few nutters who crash planes and explode themselves. No, but when did logic and reason ever show up in the minds of those that hate? And, not all that are afraid of Muslims "hate" them. Many are basically decent people that are just scared.

kittinSol -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 2:48:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level And, not all that are afraid of Muslims "hate" them. Many are basically decent people that are just scared. Do you see why such a fear is absurd and dangerous? And what can we do to relieve those people who suffer from it?

Level -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 2:56:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Level And, not all that are afraid of Muslims "hate" them. Many are basically decent people that are just scared. Do you see why such a fear is absurd and dangerous? And what can we do to relieve those people who suffer from it? Potentially dangerous, yes. Absurd.... I would say "unfounded", or "misplaced", perhaps. How to open some eyes....it has to be a joint effort. Media must team up with those Muslims that do indeed believe in peace, and show the world that Islam does not have to equate with violence. Some have did so, but not enough. The government must continue to differentiate between terrorists and peaceful Muslims. It has done so, but not enough. There will be fear though, always. It's human nature.

NorthernGent -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 2:57:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Level And, not all that are afraid of Muslims "hate" them. Many are basically decent people that are just scared. Do you see why such a fear is absurd and dangerous? Extremely dangerous. You're talking of reversing a cultural failing, though. You've got your work cut out on this one.

kittinSol -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 3:00:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent You've got your work cut out on this one. I don't understand - will you explain?

NorthernGent -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 3:01:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent You've got your work cut out on this one. I don't understand - will you explain? You're asking what can be done....to nip this problem in the bud, you've got a job on your hands.

kittinSol -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 3:09:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent You're asking what can be done....to nip this problem in the bud, you've got a job on your hands. If we discovered a 'nazi gene', it would be easy [&o] .

Level -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 3:11:56 PM)
Not unless every person that dislikes or fears Muslims is a Nazi. edited to add: I'm a pain in the ass to chat with sometimes, aren't I? [:D]

NorthernGent -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 3:15:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent You're asking what can be done....to nip this problem in the bud, you've got a job on your hands. If we discovered a 'nazi gene', it would be easy [&o] . I think you're underestimating the extent of the problem. We're talking about people who would say, "my dad fought the Nazis to preserve this land"....and in the next breath rant about Islam. They would never in a million years consider themselves fascists - indoctrination is a strange old thing. Apparently, a person can believe him/herself to be decent, yet believe it's "us or them".

kittinSol -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 3:19:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Not unless every person that dislikes or fears Muslims is a Nazi. edited to add: I'm a pain in the ass to chat with sometimes, aren't I? [:D] No, just a small itch, Level, nothing major :-) . For me, nazi is as good a title for these people as anything else. Nothing stops them from giving up on their beliefs and intolerant, ignorant fears, and learning not to be nazis, however.

kittinSol -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 3:25:12 PM)
Trust me, NG, my lighthearted comment about 'nazi gene' was merely an expression of despair at the enormity of the task involved in killing this kind of thinking before it blooms - I encountered neo-nazis and national front members in person. They even went to school with me: needless to say, these were dangerous times. I don't underestimate the size of the problem...

TheHeretic -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 3:32:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol If we discovered a 'nazi gene', it would be easy [&o] . Perhaps we could also find the 'communist gene.' Oh, and that 'independent thought' gene will have to go as well. That kind of thinking is very disturbing, Kitten. Just eliminate the possibility of disagreement?

Level -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 3:39:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Level Not unless every person that dislikes or fears Muslims is a Nazi. edited to add: I'm a pain in the ass to chat with sometimes, aren't I? [:D] No, just a small itch, Level, nothing major :-) . For me, nazi is as good a title for these people as anything else. Nothing stops them from giving up on their beliefs and intolerant, ignorant fears, and learning not to be nazis, however. Did you just call me a hemorroid? [:D] Just fearing a Muslim does not a Nazi make. Come on. edited to add: I saw you explain this Now..... do you feel the Muslim population has done enough to denounce the acts of the terrorists? If so, why don't we seem to see it as much as might be helpful? If it's the media and/or government holding things up, why would they do so?

kittinSol -> RE: French Muslim war graves defaced. (4/6/2008 3:45:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol If we discovered a 'nazi gene', it would be easy [&o] . Perhaps we could also find the 'communist gene.' Oh, and that 'independent thought' gene will have to go as well. That kind of thinking is very disturbing, Kitten. Just eliminate the possibility of disagreement? For crying out loud... I just explained the 'nazi gene' was a desperate joke. Start comparing communism and nazi ideology if you like, but it's distasteful on this thread - certainly, it won't make me take you any more seriously. They are incomparable. Back to the history books for you.

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