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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/6/2008 12:31:01 PM   
sweetnurseBBW


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Everyone has preferences and biases. People have characteristics they find appeasing and pleasing and they shouldn't be considered shallow because they prefer something over another. Subs and slaves have preferences of what they are looking for also. We all have different tastes and enjoyments. What is shallow to me is being nasty or demeaning to those that one is not attracted to on a physical level or does not have the same interests.

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/6/2008 2:02:56 PM   
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LOL... I was just on the main page and saw someones profile that said:
NO FATTIES!! NO FATTIES!! NO FATTIES!! over and over again.  It is one thing to have preferences, we all do.  But some people really take things to extremes in an extremely rude fashion.
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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW
What is shallow to me is being nasty or demeaning to those that one is not attracted to on a physical level or does not have the same interests.


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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/6/2008 3:50:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

*smile* a nice theory, but I tend to assume that if there's a chance a problem is with someone else, or with me, the problem is probably with me.



Why is that?

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/6/2008 5:41:38 PM   
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The guy might only have a twin bed. How about a futon. What about if he has a mini cooper.

1) Time fer a new bed.....

2) What's wrong with futons?  They're a pain to maintain but I had one for years.

3) I've heard the mini coopers were roomier than they appeared....and if you want a challenge, get an older Jeep Wrangler.  They be snug.

thornhappy of the queen bed, which has books piled on it from time to time...

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/6/2008 6:15:29 PM   
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If the sorts of things a Dom is "into" tend to be much easier to do with slender, young, fit submissives, does that mean the dom is shallow for overlooking more voluptuous or mature partners? And if the answer is "it depends" (and it usually is with such questions :) ), what do you feel it depends on


Ialdabaoth,

For me the largest consideration is safety; as in suspension. That being said, those that are into power will find field of search much broarder.

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/6/2008 9:34:32 PM   
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Before being hasty with your choices, may I suggest that you arrange to obtain a sub from a traveling contortionist show. Watch some gymnastics on ESPN. Then purchase some really good insurance. Remember safe- SANE- consentual. Very few people could achieve this without serious or permanent injury. Other than the first idea, the rest is very do-able. Boots can be worked on, and hair can grow. Age or weight probably wouldn't matter much.

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/6/2008 9:43:07 PM   
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And, yes, we all have preferences. I refuse to submit to someone shorter than myself, if not considerably taller. Don't like little skinny ones either. I like big meaty ones- pun intended ya'll ! We come in a range of sizes for a reason. Thankfully !

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/7/2008 2:05:12 PM   
Skyeful


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Hummm....

My thoughts jumped to "Why couldn't a 'mature' partner be slender and fit?"

Also, curvy girlys can also be in amazing shape. It just depends on a persons body type.

I think it is a tad shallow to focus only on the "fit, young, slender thang." Everyone wants them one of those. If that's your choice in partners so be it. However, it has nothing to do with fitness. Other women (older, younger different sizes) can be just as fit. 

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 2:30:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

You know, i'm usually not in the least bit snarky but the OPs other threads has me wondering just what is going on.  He gets his girl to finally meet his physical requirement and she leave him and now he has trust issues.  Perhaps had he been more involved in being what she needed emotionally instead of her being what he desired physically, she would not have ever left.  Oh well.


I honestly don't know. I helped her get her courage up to go back to college. I stayed up with her every night, helping her study. I talked with her for weeks, and her sister, when her sister had to get an abortion. I helped guide her into having the strength to confront her father about being abused. I always told her how much I loved her, how wonderful she was, how much better she made my life. It's entirely possible you're right; it's quite likely that there's something glaring that I missed. But I'm too blind to see it.

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 3:01:22 AM   
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~fr~

i think we all have preferences.  i know i do.  i dont think my preferences are some how superior to others preferences, theyre just mine.  theyre selfish, and im ok with that.

the only time preferences get on  my nerves is when i see such things as i prefer fat chicks, skinny anorexic chicks suck, or i prefer thin women, all fat chicks are lazy cows.  your preferences are what is right for you.  as long as you dont put down the preferences of others, im good.

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 3:07:40 AM   
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I'm shallow, I like what I like. You don't need to like it and I don't need to like your likes.

Everyone has something that someone in the world thinks is amazing. Isn't a good thing we're all different?

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 3:49:21 AM   
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i came into the thread late, didn't read everything, but i have to ask...

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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth
I have this neat idea for a suspension bondage scene. You'll need to be able to arch your back so your butt touches your shoulders, and you'll need to be suspended by *this rope* without breaking it.


how is anyone going to be able to do that? i haven't even seen a contortionist able to pull that off lol


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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 3:57:18 AM   
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2. "put on these ballet boots, this corset, and this arm-binder, and walk the dog." (Although, to be fair, a 150-lb girl who's recently lost 50+ lbs and has been weight-training for the past 6 months is actually going to probably do better at this than a 90-lb girl who's been starving herself to stay 'thin'. Hmm... amazons in ballet boots... I'll be in my bunk.)


Okay, I'm really not trying to be arguementative here, but, have you EVER actually SEEN ANYONE actually walk in ballet boots? We own a pair, and I am afraid that, as far as I can see, they are made to keep a girl crawling.
Now, the fact that I can't walk in them won't convince you, I am a bigger woman, and you obviously think walking in them is related to weight (though i can't see why wearing heels is related to weight, to be honest)
But on this site, on another thread, a thin, cute, tiny little bondage model girl poster mentioned an upcoming shoot she had in bondage boots, and i got excited and asked her, 'oh, wow! you can walk in them! tell me how!' and she replied that she had not said she could WALK in them, she said she could stand in them - a bondage model, with a LOT of practice, and she said, she could stand - if assisted to her feet by three people on the shoot, and then she could, in her words, 'manage to totter there like an idoit until they get a teether around me that they will airbrush out later.'
So, I am really, really sincerely interested in if you have ever known anyone who can actually walk in them?

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 4:19:12 AM   
Ialdabaoth


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ORIGINAL: tsatske

Okay, I'm really not trying to be arguementative here, but, have you EVER actually SEEN ANYONE actually walk in ballet boots? We own a pair, and I am afraid that, as far as I can see, they are made to keep a girl crawling.


My ex could walk in them for hours at a time. It took a few years of training, but the results were AMAZING.

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Now, the fact that I can't walk in them won't convince you, I am a bigger woman, and you obviously think walking in them is related to weight (though i can't see why wearing heels is related to weight, to be honest)


Not weight, precisely, but ground pressure. When you're on toe, the entirety of your weight is bearing straight down on your toe-knuckles, and through to the bottom of the shoe. The square-cube law starts being your enemy, here.

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But on this site, on another thread, a thin, cute, tiny little bondage model girl poster mentioned an upcoming shoot she had in bondage boots, and i got excited and asked her, 'oh, wow! you can walk in them! tell me how!' and she replied that she had not said she could WALK in them, she said she could stand in them - a bondage model, with a LOT of practice, and she said, she could stand - if assisted to her feet by three people on the shoot, and then she could, in her words, 'manage to totter there like an idoit until they get a teether around me that they will airbrush out later.'
So, I am really, really sincerely interested in if you have ever known anyone who can actually walk in them?


Yes. I have, in fact, taught two people to walk in them, and one of them (my ex) to dance and jog in them. If it's really that difficult, maybe I should start marketing myself as a trainer!


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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 4:36:20 AM   
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Okay, I'm suitably impressed. I understand all the threads of the 'why would you want someone else to train YOUR girl for you', but, if you were close to us, I'd seriously ask Master if i could get some of my heel training from you. Later - after I work up to routinly wearing the 6 inches. (He had the idea that I would learn to wear the 6 inches whenever we were out, and wear my fours or 2 at home, but i talked Him into reversing that goal - wear the 6s at home <which will put me in them more, anyway>, and wear 4s and even 2s when we go out, because there are more fashion choices in those and it will be easier to make them match what i am wearing.)

But i do still think that, while there might be challenges with training a sub who is bigger - or with other physical requirements (even hair legnth, as you mentioned), it is not undoable. But i think it is a very common misconception that it is.

At a recent party, with people from my own munch - Doms who very much live a 24/7 lifestyle, are very good at what they do, who i respect a great deal - a young, thin, and very cute little thing was attending her first party. The demonstrator asked her if she would model for his demo, and when she said yes, he got very excited, and said 'oh, wow. My sub is much bigger than you. I can do things with you i usually can't do with my models'. All the Doms nodded and chimed in about all the things he would be able to do with her - have her elbows meet, have her in a bow with her toes pointing at her head, ect - while she stood there going, 'uhm, yea, i don't really think that is going to work'. When he tried, she had to keep making him take her out, saying 'yea, i'm pretty flexible, that's an advatage of being 19 and i know i'm thin, but - OW! uhm, not quite this flexible?!'
All the Doms were agreeing that 'a big woman just can't get her elbows to meet'. I kept my mouth shut, because, well, i can't get my elbows to meet. But I am training towards it. I don't belive it is a size issue - sure, i am bigger, that means pulling the arms further back, but really it is just training and flexiblity. But, I may never be able to prove that a bigger woman can do that, because i expect it will take some time to train to it, and i am actively shrinking in the mean time, so i might get put right out of that arguement.

Just as an aside, just wanna be sure, we are talking about the same things, right, when it comes to bondage boots? 7-8 inch heels with no platform?
http://users.powernet.co.uk/wingett/ballet.htm

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 4:44:51 AM   
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i can walk on my toes, i just look more like the king of pop than a ballerina when i do~

my curiosity is piqued and i want to try the boots of hell out now

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 5:08:50 AM   
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On the other hand! When I'm in the right mindset, I consider things like a missing limb, or a bad back, or anything like that as an 'interesting engineering challenge', and throw myself enthusiastically into the project. Of course, that mindset comes... once every six months, maybe? And I'd hate to get into a relationship with someone where the other 362 nights of year, I'm saying "not right now, honey." That wouldn't be fair to either of us.


I like a man to be well endowed... well thats not entirely accurate... I used to like a man to be well endowed, then with time it became a preference, and now its a requirement.  My husband of 10 years is not.  362 nights of the year, I'm saying "not right now, honey". Who cares if people think you are shallow?  You don't have to live with them, you do have to live with yourself, and trust me on this, you don't want to be in a life long relationship that is physically unfulfilling.  Know yourself, know what you want, and find it.

Out of curiosity, those calling you shallow, are they larger women who have been ruled out of the running because of their size?  If so, consider the source of the comment.  I'm a bigger girl, but I would never call you shallow for not finding me physically attractive, or not taking the time to look beyond that preference to discover my winning personality ;) You like what you like.  Power to you for knowing what that is.

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 5:11:22 AM   
Ialdabaoth


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ORIGINAL: tsatske

Okay, I'm suitably impressed. I understand all the threads of the 'why would you want someone else to train YOUR girl for you', but, if you were close to us, I'd seriously ask Master if i could get some of my heel training from you. Later - after I work up to routinly wearing the 6 inches. (He had the idea that I would learn to wear the 6 inches whenever we were out, and wear my fours or 2 at home, but i talked Him into reversing that goal - wear the 6s at home <which will put me in them more, anyway>, and wear 4s and even 2s when we go out, because there are more fashion choices in those and it will be easier to make them match what i am wearing.)

But i do still think that, while there might be challenges with training a sub who is bigger - or with other physical requirements (even hair legnth, as you mentioned), it is not undoable. But i think it is a very common misconception that it is.

At a recent party, with people from my own munch - Doms who very much live a 24/7 lifestyle, are very good at what they do, who i respect a great deal - a young, thin, and very cute little thing was attending her first party. The demonstrator asked her if she would model for his demo, and when she said yes, he got very excited, and said 'oh, wow. My sub is much bigger than you. I can do things with you i usually can't do with my models'. All the Doms nodded and chimed in about all the things he would be able to do with her - have her elbows meet, have her in a bow with her toes pointing at her head, ect - while she stood there going, 'uhm, yea, i don't really think that is going to work'. When he tried, she had to keep making him take her out, saying 'yea, i'm pretty flexible, that's an advatage of being 19 and i know i'm thin, but - OW! uhm, not quite this flexible?!'
All the Doms were agreeing that 'a big woman just can't get her elbows to meet'. I kept my mouth shut, because, well, i can't get my elbows to meet. But I am training towards it. I don't belive it is a size issue - sure, i am bigger, that means pulling the arms further back, but really it is just training and flexiblity. But, I may never be able to prove that a bigger woman can do that, because i expect it will take some time to train to it, and i am actively shrinking in the mean time, so i might get put right out of that arguement.


Yeah, it took about 3 months to get Cera to touch her elbows; just keep working on it!

quote:

Just as an aside, just wanna be sure, we are talking about the same things, right, when it comes to bondage boots? 7-8 inch heels with no platform?
http://users.powernet.co.uk/wingett/ballet.htm


Yep! We generally used the Pleaser USA 'Devious' line for practice, since they're cheap and can be replaced when they wear out (and you can pull off the heel with a screwdriver and make 'training wedges'!), but the Punitive Shoes ones are NICE 'display models' once you get the hang of it.

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 5:49:25 AM   
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shallow is in the eye of the beholder.  i'd rather see a profile with "you must be height and weight porportionate, this is NON NEGOTIABLE" than strike up a conversation with someone and then have my size/health issues thrown in my face.  i've spent too much time getting over an abusive childhood to put myself out for non-consentual humiliation.

i am who i am.  i look like what i look like.  period.  if i'm not your ideal, cool.  that doesnt mean we cant be polite at one another.  what bothers me is that i have a picture in my profile, and have had dominants message me...and when they are told that "thank you, but i am collared and do not stray" they immediately come back with "yeah, well, you're too damned (fill in the blank with the appropriate insult) for any REAL dominant, anyway!"

class, real class.  be honest with yourself as to what you like, but not so shallow as to throw out possible partners who fit most of your requirements but not all.

kitten, who is loved by both Daddy and TheEngineer

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RE: Legitimate vs. shallow physical requirements - 5/8/2008 6:46:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

I honestly don't know. I helped her get her courage up to go back to college. I stayed up with her every night, helping her study. I talked with her for weeks, and her sister, when her sister had to get an abortion. I helped guide her into having the strength to confront her father about being abused. I always told her how much I loved her, how wonderful she was, how much better she made my life. It's entirely possible you're right; it's quite likely that there's something glaring that I missed. But I'm too blind to see it.



I have to go off the official topic a bit here. Seriously? You don't sound to me even remotely ready to get into another relationship yet. This is something like the third time you've said something that basically amounts to "I'm NOT over her, not even a little bit". Maybe concentrate on your interests outside of a relationship for a while...try training some girls who want the training in a platonic way. You aren't going to yourself or anyone else any favors getting into a relationship, shallow or not, when you aren't in a place emotionally to do that. Then try reevaluating yourself and your needs and desires when you ARE over her.

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