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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/17/2008 3:39:03 PM   
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Date: before 12th century


in 8 centuries..they still don't know what true is??  

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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/17/2008 3:39:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

My intention of the question was not to learn what an individual's own idea of what the true nature is, but what submission boils down to, what is the need someone feels that they would submit themself to another human being.

There are naturally leaders and naturally followers, that is humanity, by that I understand there are natural Dominants and natural submissives, but what defines a human's need to submit, is it the nature of them or is there another reason.

Well, Aneirin, I still think you're barking up a very subjective tree. There just isn't 'a' thing which causes everyone who is submissive to fall to their knees. Even within individuals, it can vary. With me, I can feel compelled by physical presence coupled with power - that usually comes with some sort of lust attachment. There are also rare occasions where intellect alone is the key to my knees buckling which may or may not come with some sort of lust attachment but I still want to sit at that man's feet and serve as he requires just for the opportunity of being fed by his knowledge. Once, in my life, the two things were combined .. the powerful presence (the IT factor) and the incredible intellect .. and to him, I'm still collared.

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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/17/2008 3:45:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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Date: before 12th century


in 8 centuries..they still don't know what true is??  

Good point, Justme.  And, what about during the 11th century and earlier?  Was nothing true then or did they just not care enough to have a word for it?
 
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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/17/2008 3:46:38 PM   
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Date: before 12th century


in 8 centuries..they still don't know what true is??  

Good point, Justme.  And, what about during the 11th century and earlier?  Was nothing true then or did they just not care enough to have a word for it?
 
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they knew then that it is wiser to live then to worry about details ;) 

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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/17/2008 4:00:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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Date: before 12th century


in 8 centuries..they still don't know what true is??  

Good point, Justme.  And, what about during the 11th century and earlier?  Was nothing true then or did they just not care enough to have a word for it?
 
joy
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they knew then that it is wiser to live then to worry about details ;) 

i always suspected i was born in the wrong century.  Now, i'm sure of it.
 
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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/17/2008 4:03:10 PM   
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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/17/2008 6:18:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Justme696

well they didn't have internet then....but pigeons to post :P

There could be advantages to using pigeons.  For one thing, they might not 'crash' as often.....
 
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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/17/2008 6:26:49 PM   
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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/17/2008 7:11:08 PM   
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My intention of the question was not to learn what an individual's own idea of what the true nature is, but what submission boils down to, what is the need someone feels that they would submit themself to another human being.   


Spent months researching and studying and asking all the submissives i could find in the attempt to discover an answer to your quetions.

Finally realized that it doesn't matter.  It only matters that each individual person accepts his or her own nature. 

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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/18/2008 5:19:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, Peppermint , you say you have spent months researching an answer to questions much the same as I have asked, therefore you must also have felt the need to search, as I am doing by asking the questions here

But, I feel Padraig might well be correct in what he has written, I should be looking into psychology, not asking the kinky community.

Perhaps I should explain why I asked this question, well, that has to do with the fact that a dominant has  got me into a situation where I feel the need to submit to him, something which has I admit taken me by surprise.


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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/18/2008 6:19:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Perhaps I should explain why I asked this question, well, that has to do with the fact that a dominant has  got me into a situation where I feel the need to submit to him, something which has I admit taken me by surprise.


Ok, ahhh Uhhhhh... the real question reveals itself to the thread.

I've come to view both Dominance and submission as being relative concepts.  This understanding has evoled out of my interaction with others in the lifestyle and experiences.

For instance, and mind you, I do not foresee this has ever happening, but if it did, I would be prepared to mentally deal with it.   What if I were to meet or otherwise encounter a Domme and I felt a spark of submission towards her?  There have been some really off the wall things that have happened in my life.  The reason why I have thought about or considered this, is because there are a number of submissives that have explored their Dom sides, and grew and changes as the result of it.  Some relationships in fact the person is submissive towards one and Dom over another.  There is a high degree of what I call Image Posturing in the lifestyle.  Where people work and fight like hell to maintain their Domly or submissive images.   I can totally understand this posturing and the reasoning behind it.  

However, when it comes down to one and one interaction, you might be suprised at times, the honest personal things that are talked about.  Perhaps, in this lays the paradox.  Trying to identify with both your Dom and submissive sides and have you make sense to yourself.   Your world is being turned upside down.   Believe it or not there are submissives that have gone through the same process, of trying to make sense of their Dom/me side.  That they found enjoyment and were simply amazed that it existed within themselves. 

I personally, do not think what you are going through, is a bad thing.  It is most certainly a confusing thing for you, which is understandable.  You are trying hard to figure out what is going on and happening.  With this said, It makes perfect sense now, why you asked the question you did on the message board.

First and foremost, before any title, label or role.  Remember you are a human being.  We are all capable of many things, often it's a matter of the right circumstances for things to happen. 



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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/18/2008 6:28:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		i would say the true nature of submission is following someone you look to as a leader or devoting yourself to something you see as important.

in such a way being submissive has no isolation to bdsm and people of all relationships often follow such a format even when treated as equals, and how even the most powerful of leaders and warriors serve their country.  

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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/18/2008 8:46:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Perhaps I should explain why I asked this question, well, that has to do with the fact that a dominant has  got me into a situation where I feel the need to submit to him, something which has I admit taken me by surprise.
(bolding added by joy to highlight this portion of text) 
 
So, instead of trying to define what submission is, you might want to define who you are and define what submission is to you.  This is something that, i think, each of us goes through.  And, as for me, my answers to those questions were never found in a book, whether it was a psychology book or a book about D/s relationships.  The answers i found to my own questions have come from my own experiences and through my own introspection.  But, each of us finds our answers in our own way. 
 
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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/18/2008 9:43:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: clevername2

In the spirit of looking at things from many perspectives, here is mine. The will of the dominant is like the rolling ocean wave, and submission is like riding the wave. The dominant provides the force that acts on the sbmissive; to which he submits. I look for domination to be something that happens to me and to which I respond. Within limits, the idea is for the dominant to do what they like. Just do it. Be your dominant self, make use of me knowing I want to be used. Do not think of what I want. It doesn't exist. There is only your desire. Use me according to your desire. That is the nature of submission. You use me for your purpose. I like being used, so it works out.


You have neglected the whole in this response.
Life is not indulgent on only play time and desire, but on 60 moments in one hour and 24 hours in one day which includes work, sleep and facets of life not involved in playful desire realized in the flesh.  What of that?   

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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/18/2008 9:49:26 AM   
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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/18/2008 9:57:18 AM   
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What is a true submissive ?



Easy enough to answer...

To understand what a true™ submissive is, you need only to look to the definition of "true":

true (trōō) adjective
  1. conforming to reality or fact; not false
  2. real; genuine; authentic
  3. sincere; not deceitful
  4. firm in allegiance; loyal; faithful; steadfast
  5. being or reflecting the essential or genuine character of something
  6. conforming to or consistent with a standard, pattern, or the like
  7. exact; precise; accurate; correct
  8. of the right kind; such as it should be; proper
  9. legitimate or rightful
  10. reliable, unfailing, or sure
  11. honest; honorable; upright
So... a  true™ submissive is one that...
  1. submits in a realistic way
  2. submits genuinely
  3. submits truthfully
  4. submits loyally
  5. submits naturally
  6. submits consistently
  7. submits accurately
  8. submits in the right way
  9. submits when appropriate
  10. submits reliably
  11. submits honestly

Now... if you have a submissive who conforms to one or more of the above in your opinion, you can be assured he or she is true™. 

Failing that, you can always look for the true™ symbol tattooed, stamped, or branded on the lower right buttock. 
 

 
Conversely, a “true” submissive’s desire is to submit in a true dominant.
First and foremost, there must be 100% sincerity, if not; one is not being totally genuine and truthful to themselves.

dominates realistically
dominates genuinely
dominates truthfully
dominates loyally
dominates naturally
dominates consistently
dominates accurately
dominates reliably
dominates honestly
dominates in the right way and appropriately…. For himself

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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/18/2008 10:09:25 AM   
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IF we know the answer...then what?


Waiting for a substantial response from you rather than repeated thread hyjacking.........
we might do better to read your june's response to submission to view how she feels about dominance.

 

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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/18/2008 11:05:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Padriag

Who cleans up all the pigeon droppings?


The submissives.....

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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/18/2008 11:07:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was wondering who was going to finally say it... should have known it'd be you. LOL

Now is that considered punishment or a new fetish... I can't find it on that kink chart Fire posted.

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RE: What is the true nature of......... - 5/18/2008 11:09:42 AM   
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I'll say "punishment".... not sure how I would feel about someone who got their rocks off picking up pigeon poo.

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