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Smith117 -> RE: Tampa to erect a huge Confederate flag (6/3/2008 9:48:03 PM)
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
There's a link for you about the acceptibility of "common knowledge" in writing.
Again....don't care. Try writing a college level thesis citing "common knowledge" and let me know how it goes.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
If your attention span is too short to read about common knowledge acceptibility, here is a short video on the subject from The University of Hawaii:
You turn to the UofH for references? Please. I lived there for 3.5 years and the most heard phrase while I was there was "If you want a high school education, you go to UofH.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
No, they refer to Southernors as rednecks, hillbillies, or trailer trash. No one on this thread including myself has made the statement "the South shall rise again." I never hear anyone say it except in movies. I use the term "Yankee" in a light-hearted way. It has nothing to do with a refusal to move on. I argue history all the time, because I love history. I spent 4 years in college getting a degree in history because I love it so much. Tradition and preservation of your culture is not a vice.
Again....I never said YOU said it, did I? I said it was on banners, flags, license plates, etc.
And no, preservation of a culture is not a vice. But clinging to a divisive, racism-inducing symbol *is*.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Again read the link or watch the video link I posted about the acceptability of common knowledge in writing.
Again...don't care. I told you not to cite because I don't care. And if you're not going to use actual sources, then don't bother. I'm not buying your "common knowledge" arguement at all. What is it I've heard on this forum quite a bit? Oh yes. "Common sense isn't common anymore." To claim you know what is and is not "common knowledge" is laughable. So...if I go to England, and ask them a question about retirement places favored in the US, they'll all say the south? I doubt that. Thus, it isn't 'common knowledge.'
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
You're not making a point. You're making a prejudiced, broad generalization.
Evidentl, due to the protests the flag inspires and the drama I see on the news over it, I'm not making a generalization. I'm making a conclusion based on the facts. The fact is that the rebel flag is highly offensive to many people, yet despite that, the so-called 'southern gentlemen' don't care, wave it still, while their license plates proclaim their intent to 'rise again.'
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I live 2 hours away from the Texas border, Smith. I lived outside of Corpus Christi briefly. Most Texans I've met consider Texas to be part of the South. Since you're so fond of citation, where is your citation backing up this argument. By the way, this is not something that would fall under common knowledge. You're making an assumption.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I live 2 hours away from the Texas border, Smith. I lived outside of Corpus Christi briefly. Most Texans I've met consider Texas to be part of the South. Since you're so fond of citation, where is your citation backing up this argument. By the way, this is not something that would fall under common knowledge. You're making an assumption.
I don't proclaim mine to be 'common knowledge' for mine is based on experience. By definition, it is also NOT an assumption. I've had many discussions with many people from literally all over the world. Most tell *me* Texas isn't southern. Regardless of where you lived.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Every state has their own flag. Texas isn't different in that regard. Texas didn't move on centuries later. It fully participated in Jim Crowe, and held on to segregation all the way up until the late 1960's. If you believe that people don't see Texas in a racist light, than you don't pay attention to the what others say about your state. In every conversation I've ever had with a foreigner or a northerner where Texas comes up, the death penalty gets brought up. That's what Texas is known for around the world. Oh that, and guys dragging black men to their deaths behind pickup trucks.
Ummm, is it not 2008? That would, by my count, be 'centuries later.' Funny you throw out the 60's. I recall most places having racial tension in the 60's. Still, you don't see Texas waving the rebel flag too much these days.
Also, the death pentalty is a seperate issue. And in-bred hicks with pickup truck dragging intentions are far more plentiful in other states. Jena, La. comes to mind. Wasn't the most recent hubbub regarding nooses and trucks in that town? CNN seems to think so.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I don't need to have been there. The history of Texas participation in the Confederacy and the reasons are well documented through records, letters, and books from the time period. Texas joined the Confederacy for many of the same reasons that the other southern states did. It was an agricultural state just like the rest of the South, and the fears from Abraham Lincoln's presidency were just as prevalent there as they were in Mississippi. As for your assertion that Texas is excluded from "those backwoods rednecks in the South" that's just laughable. The propensity for the death penalty, the prevalence of white nationalist groups, and incidents like a black man being drug behind a pickup to his death don't make Texas seem enlightened.
No no no. You see, the reasons you 'claim' Texas joined is well documented in history books. And we all know those aren't entirely accurate. I'll say it again. You weren't there. You don't know that they didn't decide to put that down for the 'official reason' while simultaneously saying "well, we don't want to be cut off from the north immediately, should we side with them, this is probably safer for now."
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