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Smith117 -> RE: Tampa to erect a huge Confederate flag (6/3/2008 4:16:32 PM)
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Smith, I am not going to the trouble of citing stats for you. I am not writing a term paper. It is common knowledge among learned people. It is absolutely not irrelevant to what you said.
I already said not to cite stats, thanks for refusing my non-offer. And again, the "common knowledge" argument is incredibly weak. Not that retirement places have any bearing on what was being addressed, despite what you may think.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
You're leaving out the rest of my sentence. I said it was used by Southernors well after the Civil War. It's not the same thing. You tried to imply that it was an antiquated word that fell out of use after the Civil War. Now you're trying to pretend that's not what you said.
Actually, here's where you're dead wrong. I didn't imply it wasn't used anymore at all. In fact, I know full-well that it is. But you'll notice that the people in the north don't exactly refer to southerners as seperatists anymore, right? The north has moved on, the south still thinks, quite incorrectly that "the south shall rise again." Meaning, that their continued use of a civil war term, supports my point about their inability move the fuck on and get over it.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Part 2 clearly states it's a term for northerners, not just Union soldier. Your broken up citation of Wikipedia didn't include that (even though it's there, I looked.) You have a habit of trying to omit information to make a point.
It's also a term used by other countries in reference to Americans in general. I guess that makes you one too. What's your point? And you telling me I have a habit of omitting information? What with your 'common knowledge' stats and all? That's hilarious. Thanks though. I love to laugh.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
awfully, very nearly identical? What does that even mean? Either two things are identical or they're not.
*Goes to the blackboard and gets the chalk*
Awfully - "To a high degree"
Nearly - "Almost but not quite"
Identical - "Having such a close similarity or resemblance as to be essentially equal or interchangeable"
So then, "awfully....very nearly identical," MEANS not the same phrase "verbatim" (In exactly the same words; word for word) but damned close to it.
*Endeth the lesson*
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I don't even know why you're making such a fuss about all of this. What point are you trying to make? I didn't read one post here where someone said, "The South shall rise again." But yet, you keep saying that.
I never said it was a post here. I said the rebel flag is frequently accompanied by such a phrase, on flags, banners, bumper stickers, etc., which supports my earlier point about it being an archaic symbol of dissent or the intent to dissent and therefore the inability of 'southerners' to move the fuck on and join the rest of us in the present.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
If you hate it in the South so much, no one is holding you back from moving.
See previous point about most Texans (as well as most Americans) not seeing Texas as part of "the south."
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
If you hate it in the South so much, no one is holding you back from moving. Whether you accept it or not, Texas was part of the Confederacy and is part of the South. Your little rant about the Texas flag being a sense of pride is interesting. You do realize the Texas war for independence had a lot to do with Mexico's prohibition of slavery don't you?
And yet, here Texas is....centuries later, able to move on and let things the fuck go. Funny folks in "the south" can't do that. THAT is where Texas differs from the rest of "the south." We have our own flag, which no one sees as a symbol of racism. We no longer hold to the ideals that spawned slavery. And we no longer swear to the "yankees" that we'll rise again. We're quite happy being a state.
And since no one from our modern time was actually *there,* I'm afraid no one will ever concinve me that Texas' reason for being in the confederacy wasn't largely for self-preservation. You think for one second that if Texas were closer to the north than it was to the south, that we'd have opted for confederacy? I don't. We borrowed the Union's help against mexico, we merc-ed for the south in the civil war. And here we are today....delightly exluded when someone refers to "those backwoods rednecks in the south."
No, the only jibes we take are "So, do you Texans still think you're your own country?" And I'm fine with that. As a matter of fact, I can recall SEVERAL times when, growing up, I'd hear a discussion about north/south relations and in my youth I replied with "I'm from Texas...that *IS* southern!" And they replied: "You aren't southern, you're Texan. There's a difference.
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