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MissSCD -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 6:56:44 AM)

I am supporting Obama now.  I refuse to vote for McCain.   I believe some of the white men in this country may be a little nervous because of something they may lose, and that is control.
Now the white men in America may soon learn how white women in American have been treated.  We have been treated as second class citizens all of our grown lives.
Just something to think about.

Regards, MissCD



LotusSong -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 7:14:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
I wouldn't recommend going down the road of telling minorities they can't be offended by that just because some minorities  aren't... sounds almost...patronizing.[;)]


So conversely.. the majority are fair game or do they deserve the same respect?


How many major league or college sport teams out there are called the 'Honkies' or 'Ofays' again? 

Or do you just not 'get it'?


Oh, I "get it". What YOU don't "get" is that team names were not given to be derogatory. If they were in some way offensive, it was out of ignorance not mean-spiritedness. 
 
We have a mountain here that was known as Squaw Peak for decades.  We didn't know that the word Squaw was a derrogatory term.  We just thought it meant an Indian woman.  When Lori Piestwa became our first casualty of the Iraq War, the peak was renamed Piestewa Peak in her honor.
 
When you know better, you do better.



Alumbrado -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 7:16:40 AM)

Ahh yes... the old 'We didn't know it was offensive' dodge...[8|]



LotusSong -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 7:19:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MissSCD

I am supporting Obama now.  I refuse to vote for McCain.   I believe some of the white men in this country may be a little nervous because of something they may lose, and that is control.
Now the white men in America may soon learn how white women in American have been treated.  We have been treated as second class citizens all of our grown lives.
Just something to think about.

Regards, MissCD


I just about threw a brick at a political analyst last night on CNN that made the comment that "If she had not been married to Bill Clinton and the first lady, she never would have made it this far."



LotusSong -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 7:20:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Ahh yes... the old 'We didn't know it was offensive' dodge...[8|]

Do/did YOU know what "squaw" meant?



MissSCD -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 8:12:58 AM)

She would have made it if she had left Bill at home.   I am [image]http://www.collarchat.com/rteimages/textcolor.gif[/image]right proud of how well she has done, and don't worry.  I am pretty sure she will be VP.  Now the white males in the country will be super afraid of losing control. Who Hoo!
 
Regards, MissSCD

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: MissSCD

I am supporting Obama now.  I refuse to vote for McCain.   I believe some of the white men in this country may be a little nervous because of something they may lose, and that is control.
Now the white men in America may soon learn how white women in American have been treated.  We have been treated as second class citizens all of our grown lives.
Just something to think about.

Regards, MissCD


I just about threw a brick at a political analyst last night on CNN that made the comment that "If she had not been married to Bill Clinton and the first lady, she never would have made it this far."



SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 8:21:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MissSCD

I am supporting Obama now.  I refuse to vote for McCain.   I believe some of the white men in this country may be a little nervous because of something they may lose, and that is control.
Now the white men in America may soon learn how white women in American have been treated.  We have been treated as second class citizens all of our grown lives.
Just something to think about.

Regards, MissCD


i can honestly not think of one time i was treated like a second class citizen.....i have worked hard and gotten where i wanted to in life.....enjoyed many opportunities thanks to the women who sacrificed and fought that came at a time before me....yes....but im 46 and i feel the road was paved for me by the time i was ready to start hiking down it.

how do you feel you have been treated as a second class citizen all your life?  im not being a smartass, i really want to know.



Alumbrado -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 8:26:27 AM)

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Ahh yes... the old 'We didn't know it was offensive' dodge...[8|]

Do/did YOU know what "squaw" meant?


Hello??? I'm the one pointing out that derogatory names are not a good thing, and you are the one coming up with rationalizations for them. 
'Squa' simply meant woman to some tribes...the English perjorative word 'squaw' meant woman of the race deemed inferior by the Europeans...same for 'Redskins', etc.



LotusSong -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 9:21:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I just about threw a brick at a political analyst last night on CNN that made the comment that "If she had not been married to Bill Clinton and the first lady, she never would have made it this far."

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ORIGINAL: MissSCD

She would have made it if she had left Bill at home.   I am [image]http://www.collarchat.com/rteimages/textcolor.gif[/image]right proud of how well she has done, and don't worry.  I am pretty sure she will be VP.  Now the white males in the country will be super afraid of losing control. Who Hoo!
 
Regards, MissSCD


I agree.  She made it REGARDLESS of Bill.  And yes, she would protect Obama.. just like Cheney protects George. The fear of Cheney becoming next in line was enough to protect Bush from harm. 



LotusSong -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 9:29:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Ahh yes... the old 'We didn't know it was offensive' dodge...[8|]

Do/did YOU know what "squaw" meant?


Hello??? I'm the one pointing out that derogatory names are not a good thing, and you are the one coming up with rationalizations for them. 
'Squa' simply meant woman to some tribes...the English perjorative word 'squaw' meant woman of the race deemed inferior by the Europeans...same for 'Redskins', etc.


"Hello" yourself.  Guess you don't know what it means.  Here ya go Definition and History of the word Squaw  As you can see, the initial use was benign but as usual things get perverted (and not in a good way) over time.



cloudboy -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 10:01:22 AM)


You may never get off this road if you battle with LS.



cloudboy -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 10:11:12 AM)

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I agree. She made it REGARDLESS of Bill. And yes, she would protect Obama.. just like Cheney protects George. The fear of Cheney becoming next in line was enough to protect Bush from harm.


The difference here is that Obama is no GWB. Clinton and Cheney arguably share traits of partisanship and Washington connections, but there is no way that Obama will have any equivalent of the cabal of Cheney-Perle-Rumsfeldt-Wolfowitz-Libby-Rove --- strictly designed to neuter Democrats, spook and disinform the American public, and push forth a fringe, right wing agenda.

In terms of getting things done, Obama plans to shoot for a bipartisan coalition. A firewall, spin machine, and bludgeon are antithetical to that.



cloudboy -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 10:17:35 AM)


I'm just hoping white people develop a better comfort zone about minorities. Obama exudes confidence, competence, and leadership. Best of all, he's interested in an American agenda --- not a minority agenda. Its hard for some to grasp that, but after they experience it --- their hearts and minds might change.



celticlord2112 -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 10:24:13 AM)

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Obama exudes confidence, competence, and leadership.

He's got confidence, yes.

Competence and leadership.....don't you have to actually DO something to exude those?

Flapping one's jaw in front of a teleprompter does NOT quality as either competence or leadership.

(Except for Democrats, apparently)



kittinSol -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 10:28:17 AM)

You know, someone can't prove themselves until they've had a chance to do so [8|] .  And if he's incompetent, well, you've already experienced that in a president, for the past eight years at least. Really, it couldn't be any worse.



atursvcMaam -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 10:37:36 AM)

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You know, someone can't prove themselves until they've had a chance to do so [8|] .  And if he's incompetent, well, you've already experienced that in a president, for the past eight years at least. Really, it couldn't be any worse.


It couldn't?  Thank heaven.



kittinSol -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 10:43:12 AM)

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celticlord2112 -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 11:08:40 AM)

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You know, someone can't prove themselves until they've had a chance to do so

I'd be delighted to give Obama a "chance".

Let him run for governor of Illinois.  Hell, let him move down to Texas and run for governor down here.  Let him serve more than half a term in the US Senate....and actually run a committee or two.

I'm all for giving Obama and anyone else a "chance".  What I'm not for is giving a naive, inexperienced clown a seat in the Oval Office and let him do on-the-job training.

GWB at least was a governor first.



DomAviator -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 11:11:04 AM)

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Flapping one's jaw in front of a teleprompter does NOT quality as either competence or leadership.

(Except for Democrats, apparently)



Neither does caressing your testicles and adjusting your package on TV during the National Anthem. Maybe holding your nuts is the appropriate thing to do for the indonesian natl anthem but this is a disgrace and typical Obama....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkgg5Kjo



MissSCD -> RE: ITS ALL BLACK AND WHITE TO ME (6/5/2008 11:16:24 AM)

Anything is better than the past eight years, but McCain.   He is too old.  We need fresh meat in the Whitehouse with new ideas.  McCain is running off his war record.  I don't dispute that record.  Anyone who is a POW has my respect; however, that does not make them a President.
It will be history making with Obama and Hilary. 
Regards, MissSCD



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