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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/16/2008 8:52:56 PM

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Ach!...try to interpret it in a way that may be more palatable to you...like...my submission is a gift!!..now unwrap me!!...:0)..or my submission is a gift!!...how many bows does it take to encompass a submissive?.....or my submission is a gift!..now play with me like your favorite tonka truck....rawrrrrrrr!!!!....vroom vroom!!!......Tempting

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 12:04:37 PM

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personally i use it cause i get messages from "Doms" who demand that i call them Master immediatly so i posted on my profile and this is an exact quote: "My submission is not something i will give to everyone and i will not submit to those who message me demanding instant submission."

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 5:46:38 PM

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"My submission is not something i will give to everyone and i will not submit to those who message me demanding instant submission."

Jezz is on to something there. Quite frankly it's *not* a gift or it'd be *worthless*. For the "gift of submission" to mean anything, it must be EARNED by the Dom -- so, it's not a gift at all. And, while I'm at it: Domination is just as much a "gift".

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 5:52:22 PM

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On our first night together I gave Sir the gift of my submission, placed carefully in a satin lined box
Its almost certainly where He tossed it on the kitchen counter before proceeding to throat fuck me until I vomitted.

Here is a cut and paste from my profile ...

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And so to submission... Sorry to sadden you, it is not a precious gift, no dewy delicate blossom. It has been used, abused, stamped on, nurtured, plucked, admired and sneezed on. Sorry about that. If I had known you were coming, I would have kept it safe. ..

And now seriously … submission is not a gift, it is not a THING. It is a WORD used to describe the tone of my personality, to describe my behaviour towards my Owner. The word describes something an action as essential to my happiness as breathing or eating. I do not give the air my precious gift of breathing, nor do I give food my precious gift of eating. I just breath and eat. It is nothing mystical, or spiritual or sacred. It is who I am to Him.

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 6:17:29 PM

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I hard limit it-since it tends to come attached to "the gift of whining." I hate package deals.

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 6:47:10 PM

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Interesting how so many people simply treat the words as words and let them fall to the level of mere adjectives. If that were all that there was to this lifestyle, these choices we make, we would be better to break it all down into some abstract scientific notation.

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and match up with one another based on how well our elements combined into stable molecules.

Is that really all there is? Its all chmicals and pherimones and science?

I am not sure about you but whether I believe D/s are gifts or not, I do know my choices and my feelings and my desires are greater than the sum of their atoms.

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 7:49:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: skyrich

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"My submission is not something i will give to everyone and i will not submit to those who message me demanding instant submission."

Jezz is on to something there. Quite frankly it's *not* a gift or it'd be *worthless*.

I don't view gifts as 'worthless'. I've received many fine gifts over the years, original artwork, rare books (often autographed by the author), etc.

I often view submission as a 'gift', in that it is something that I cannot create for Myself, but requires another person who chooses to offer her submission to Me.

For Me to have it, it must be given...

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 7:53:06 PM

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Actually, as an atheist, I do believe that existence is the sum of the various parts--matter and energy--that make up existence, and nothing else.

Still, what exists (love and other emotions, consciousness, sensations, justice, and all the other intangible things) exists, and if there is nothing else but matter and energy (as I believe), then all that matter and energy must add up to an existence that includes love, justice, consciousness, etc.

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ORIGINAL: InsaenPleasures

Interesting how so many people simply treat the words as words and let them fall to the level of mere adjectives. If that were all that there was to this lifestyle, these choices we make, we would be better to break it all down into some abstract scientific notation.

(BD6)h(D89O)

and match up with one another based on how well our elements combined into stable molecules.

Is that really all there is? Its all chmicals and pherimones and science?

I am not sure about you but whether I believe D/s are gifts or not, I do know my choices and my feelings and my desires are greater than the sum of their atoms.

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 8:01:19 PM

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If it aint wrapped in pretty paper with a bow on it, it aint a gift.

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 8:31:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

If it aint wrapped in pretty paper with a bow on it, it aint a gift.

What if she sits chained to a satin pillow, with a leather collar locked around her neck? Not exactly a bow, but close enough?

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 9:47:02 PM

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I give gifts at Xmas to friends and family. I also expect to get gifts. They are still gifts.

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 9:58:35 PM

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I used to buy into the idea of submission being a gift of sorts that I may offer another.
I had it all Wrong..............
Submission is a Gift I give Me, telling myself it's Ok to allow myself to be Submissive, freeing myself of that plastic face I wore for years. ......... selfish bitch arent I??

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/18/2008 9:58:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressSybella I think it was invented to give submissives a measure of respect, to try to make the balance between owner and slave more reciprocol. It just means that although they are submissive, they don't HAVE to submit to you.

Exactly Miss Bella...

It has always seemed a somewhat defensive response to the kind of bullshit dominant swagger that says the sub is nothing, not human, not a willing participant that deserves consideration and pleasure. Its a polite way of saying, "hey asshole, I am on my knees because I want to be, and you'd better treat me like you appreciate it."

Is submission a gift? Well, let's put it this way, if the sub feels compelled to tell you it is, then its a gift you probably don't deserve.

Funny thing - I know I am unworthy of Frenchy's submission to me, and he knows he's unworthy of my dominance. That seems to keep us both in a perpetual state of pleasure and gratitude.

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/19/2008 12:27:46 AM

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Two comments.
1) If you think think a thread is silly or a waste of time, it reall isn't necessary to post that in the thread. As in "I have better things to do than ponder this issue." Really? It doesn't seem like it.
2) I'm actually a believer in the whole submission as a gift concept. Of course, If a sub felt for some reason that bringing it up or reminding me would be fun I tend to remind her that dominance is a damn awesome "gift" to give, too. I might go on to point out that people giving each other their best is what relationships are about and theres usually no need rehash our particular "gifts" to each other ad nauseum.

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/19/2008 12:40:13 AM

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How about submission is a choice?

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/19/2008 1:03:41 AM

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I like that Stella.

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/19/2008 2:35:55 AM

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well that put pepsi everywhere Tempting, that was precious..hehe..

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/19/2008 6:10:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

How about submission is a choice?

It was always just a natural gravitation with my, only when I knew what I was doing and found a name for it, did it become a choice, but it's not quite that easy either because it's far simpler to me to give into natural tendancies then to try to change myself. My choice was going against cultural stereotypes and allow myself to be the person I was wired to be.

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/19/2008 6:50:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: Quin

This is a statement that has always bugged me. I see it all the time, online, and it drives me up the wall. Being submissive is no more a gift that being passive, aggressive, or optomistic. It's a personality trait. It's who you are. Being dominant is not a gift...it's who I am. I can't choose not to be dominant, any more than homosexuals can choose to be straight. How is, for example, giving over everything you are to the control of another in a TPE a gift? A gift is something you give with no expectation of anything, other than a "thank you" in return. When you submit to someone else, don't you expect something in return? Don't you expect him to spank/flog/singletail you in return and get some kind of pleasure out of it? Don't you expect him to care for you in some way?
Does this comment bug anyone else? What are your thoughts on this phrase?

Quin, different P/pl use the prase to mean different things. S/some love it --O/others are annoyed by it -- a few like me are rather indfferent to it. Personally, my feeling is, if it floats Y/yr boat to use it, by all means do so. i see it often in Dom profiles; it's usage is not limited to submissives, by any means.

My personal bug-a-boo is the acronymn 'WIIWD' or even worse, 'WIITWD'. WTF? W/who is this 'W/we'? What are W/we all 'doing' the same?

Drives me batsh*t, but M/many P/pl are quite fond of it. i just ignore it.

i think, as a general proposition, 'net stress is a kind of self-inflicted injury. If s'thing really annoys me, i shine it on. There is an endless number of ways to use the 'net; why bother focusing on a site/profile/Op/post that annoys the hell out of Y/you?

Just in case You'd care to know, i don't ever use the phrase 'the gift of submission' in reference to myself. It does not appear in my profile, nor has it ever. i don't care for it, myslf.

Wishing You a wonderful day.

pinksugarsub

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RE: "Gift" of submission? - 6/19/2008 6:55:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: skyrich
For the "gift of submission" to mean anything, it must be EARNED by the Dom -- so, it's not a gift at all.

Exactly. A gift is given expecting nothing in return. I often wonder if the submissives that claim it's a gift would give it to someone that didn't "give" them something in return.

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