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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/24/2008 6:22:19 PM   
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As far as personal views, rare exceptions, limitations and all that other symantic jazz, we all use the english language.


Yes, but English is hardly an exact science.

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Like I have said many times before, if we all used private dictionaries with our own special definitions, we would fail to communicate at all.


I couldn't possibly disagree more.  We fail to communicate the most, when W/we assume that O/others know what W/we're talking about; when W/we fail to provide clear explanations for what W/we mean. 

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/24/2008 6:25:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Floggings4You

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

As far as personal views, rare exceptions, limitations and all that other symantic jazz, we all use the english language.


Yes, but English is hardly an exact science.

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Like I have said many times before, if we all used private dictionaries with our own special definitions, we would fail to communicate at all.


I couldn't possibly disagree more.  We fail to communicate the most, when W/we assume that O/others know what W/we're talking about; when W/we fail to provide clear explanations for what W/we mean. 


You say tomato and I say tomarto
You say master and I say marster
Let's call the whole thing off!

Yes assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups.



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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/24/2008 8:53:28 PM   
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Damn - I too have to get me some of those "masses" to easily impress and sway!
 
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-=On Being a Master=-
To me, the old school definition of Master is still found in the dictionary.  Nouns that apply to the title are, teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense.  All these titles refer to a person in a seat of responsibility over those he is training or ruling.

I enjoy all aspects of the verbal application of Master as well.  One must “master” themselves before mastering others. So this old school view applies to my outlook.  In order to master a slave, you must be able to be fulfill one or more of the following.

Be financially stable to own and support them. and/or
In order to rule your slave, must have mastered yourself first. and/or
To train your slave you must be an expert or “Master” in the art or subject. 

To me, being a Master, means you must “master” your slave.

-Kalon Eric

(part of my random BDSM philosophy for the masses)



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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/24/2008 11:27:00 PM   
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Dear Prinsexx, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
The 'mastery' is being able to master the mind and spirit; in addition to the body and or the emotions.
 
Physical is easy to contain yet, personal dreams, mental images, will, reason, the many senses; the imagination and or creativity; all is a part of one human being.  To understand and to seek understanding; is continual; to which the power comes from gathering from all resources as to become one with the person.
 
Humans still go beyond the complexity; to which computers may near humans yet; never replace the mind, spirit, the body and the 'will' and 'reasoning' to which governs our 'spirit of intentions;' be it good or evil and the grey shades in between.  Motive and opportunity gives the struggle with the spirit of intentions.
 
How we approach our roles (in general sense); how to translate and or give keys for someone else to use to self discovering the many beautiful qualities of life; as well as realizing the ugly as well; to arrest that which is negative and energy wasteful process; then progress can be made to make forward progress and not let negatives in life hold one hostage; during the journey of finding happiness as one (in a general sense) defines it--not the popular theory of what 'happiness' is.
 
I do not see being a Master as female or male.  Being a part of man and a part of woman; I am a product of both.  To make gender/sexuality more important than the total sum of a person; is in my opinion an error.  What mental/emotional restraints does gender/sexuality put on the progress of one's journey?  The skills to be a teacher, a writer, a professional, a soldier and or anything a human wishes to be?  To only restrict by gender/sexuality--restricts life's lessons.
One exists because you (in general) exist.  I am, because I am.  Not exclusively due to gender, race, height, weight and so forth.  So, why hamper any pursuit of talent, knowledge, skills and or happiness?

 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/25/2008 7:45:44 AM   
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ResidentSadist,
I disagree that the "dictionary is a nice place to find common ground for good communication" for many of the words used within Leather/BDSM because "context is key" and a mainstream dictionary is not going to be using the words within the same context as they are being used within Leather/BDSM. As a result the definitions cannot logically be accurate. In fact I have found that those going to mainstream dictionaries looking for definitions become confused rather than enlightened more times than not.
 
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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/25/2008 7:49:54 AM   
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I'd like to share some serious thoughts on this subject.   At times when I read certain posts on here, my rebelious reflex kicks in.

Such as what is or is not self mastery and  to who's standards?  For instance I enjoy playing practical jokes on people at times.  There are times, when I myself engaging in my own forms or regressive age play.   There are times when I do do some crazy things out in public.  Mind you without the intention of causing anybody any harm.

Personally, I myself am a rather bit of a non-conformist type of guy.  I honestly get and understand the positive concept of self mastery, I'm also aware the dangers involved in embracing stereotype images, and trying to fall rank in file into what other people believe is self-mastering.

There are some golden rules of conduct that I myself follow.  Again, back to not causing anybody any true or real harm.  Even that could be questionable through out periods of time in my life.  Because it's within my nature to desire to harm others that cause true or real harm to others.  Trust me, when I say my own personal Temperence has been the only thing that has held me in check at times.  However, even my temperence has a limit or level.   This is all from knowing myself and what I'm fully capable of doing.

Again just what is honestly Mastering oneself or another person?  According to what standards?  

In many regards, some people when they watch me play guitar, have this strange notion that I've fully mastered it.  Personally, I know my playing level is up to professionalism.  However, I still learn new things, new tricks, or new patterns and things to do.  I can not honestly say that I've fully Mastered it.   I've been playing guitar since I was  kid.  Many Many Many years of practice.   I can say I've Mastered Vibrato techniques,  I've Mastered finger tapping techniques.   I've mastered string bendings.  I've Mastered Barr and open chords.   I've Mastered Chord inversions.   I've mastered Emulating sounds like a number of guitarist.   However, have I fully mastered playing guitar?  Not really.   Will I ever have fully Mastered it?  Not really.   Also, each and every guitar I own, has it's own sound, unique feel.   The Harmonics, Sustain and feel of the neck are all different.  I many senses, I have somewhat Mastered the differences between each guitar.  I tap into these differences when ever I change guitars.   This is the very reason why I change to different guitars when playing a show. 

Still, I do not consider myself has having Mastered guitar.  Has it stopped me from playing guitar?  LOL..  From being a guitar player?  Did it ever stop me from playing music out in front of people, regardless of how well I had or had not Mastered it?   I practiced and worked like hell on various songs.   Mastering the song, along the way.   Still there was a big difference between the first time I played a song out in public compared to the 30th or 40th performance of the song live.

BDSM is well really the same.  First time, I spanked somebody's ass and the 30th or 40th time doing such.  Then finding the differences in my Partners.  The unique qualities and strengths.  Tapping into their natural talents and skills.   Taking time to explore things about them.  Getting inside their minds.  At any point in time can I say, I've Mastered myself, them or BDSM.  Not really.   It's an on going learning and experience. 

I honestly don't and can't precribe to the DOMGA concept of complete and fully Mastery of Anything.  Be it of playing guitars, BDSM, of myself, other people, of computer programming, and many other things I do in day to day life.

Now, I'm going to admit to having something from time to time. Arrogance.  However, I'm only arrogant when faced with dealing with so-called-know-it-all types, that are below my skill level.   Trust me, Narcissistic and Arrogant people that get off on putting other people for the fun or hell of it, those people are that being all Cocky to cover up for their own short comings, fears or insecurities.   I tend to become rather Arrogant around these type of people.  Perhaps this is not all that of a Masterful thing to be, at times.   It is however simply put, part of me and who I am or can be at times. 

I am not that conservative, quiet, well manner, guy sitting in the corner.  I'm very much extroverted, not so conventional, at times outspoken, and not so shy.   Does these mean that I'm not in control of myself?  Not really, I'm fully aware of what I'm doing.  I'm also extremely aware of my surroundings too.   Let's just say, I'll have eyed up and watched every single person around me.  I tend to do this at all times.   I'm all the time scoping out my surroundings.   Trust me, I'm not blind to what's going on with the people around me.   I also get the layout of the place(s) I'm at quickly down in my mind.

These same details apply, to people I'm involved in a relationship.  I'm reading their body language, I notice and pick up on small details, tones of voices, postures.  I ask questions.  I assert myself if I see something that just does not feel or seem right.  This also applies to BDSM play as well.

Anyways, just what honestly is Mastering anything?  Some people thought they had the Stock Market mastered in the 80's, as I recall a few people ending up committing suicide even.   Some people at Enron thought they had big business Mastered, making a shit load of crazy money, living high on the hog.  Clearly these people obtained a standard of living well above most people on this message board.   Crash and burn.   People looking at Jail time, think somebody ended up pulling the Motel 6 checkout in life (suicide) as a result of it too.

Not everybody who thinks they have something Mastered means it Good or Bad thing.   People that have somehow Mastered or appear to have Master the world, even fall flat on thier faces.

I knew a guy in Florida.  He was into Real Estate Development.  He made a shit load of money.  Then one day, a joint business venture he was in, went bad.  Turns out the other party was rather shady.  He ended up loosing everything he had worked for for most of his life.  One Deal Gone bad.   At times, all it takes is getting hooked up with the wrong people to bring your ass down.  He managed to work through a lot of bad things.  However, he learned and grew from it as a person.  Made his come back.   His wife stuck by his side 100% in the process.   It was not all about money, it was about their relationship.
This dude lost everything... she was the one that carried their ass money wise for awhile.  He went into a state of deep depression for awhile. 

At times people become finacially unstable.  Acts of God can occur.  Can loose money and wealth at a drop of time in a bad deal.  Be it in the stock market, or Real Estate Development Deal.   Some people think they have Mastered cheating the system, all the Loop holes and such.   They get too over confident in their Game.   This seems to a common thing in all the cases above.  Being Over Confident.

I think the concept of Mastering anything at all is rather Subjective, a little Fuzzy, and well the very moment you think you have the world by the balls, is when the carpet might just pulled out from under you.   At times, I enjoy being the carpet puller too, to make somebody see their own weakness.  But I'm an Ethical Bastard, you might not like me if you are an UnEthical Bastard.


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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/25/2008 8:13:04 AM   
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To me, being a Master, means you must “master” your slave.


To me, being a Master means you must Master yourself. I think if you are serious about it, Mastering yourself is a lifelong occupation. You never stop learning. And the lessons are everywhere from daily to life to, yes, your own slave. Some of my most important lessons have come from my interactions with my slave.

I don't think it is possible to successfully Master anyone else unless that first condition is met.

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/25/2008 8:15:13 AM   
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"When the student is ready, the Teacher will appear." ...Kahlil Gabran. Whether one is Master, Dominant, submissive, slave, switch, or whatever...we are all students, and we are all teachers. Each party involved in a relationship has something to offer on both sides of that fence.
As far as financial abilities go, each relationship is different in that aspect also. It all depends on the dynamics of the relationship and what has been agreed upon between the parties involved. Each one is different in its own way.
Just an opinion...

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/25/2008 8:31:10 AM   
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Owner4SExSlave
I think the concept of Mastering anything at all is rather Subjective, a little Fuzzy, and well the very moment you think you have the world by the balls, is when the carpet might just pulled out from under you.

wow another long and interesting post....it's very tempting to think qw know each other via this medium isn't it and then along comes a long insightful post and i go yeah there's real depth to that person. Other times you know posters just make flip accusations about how they know another poster which surely can't be true?
Anyways I read your post and bottom line? (#scuse the expression lol)....Mastery is an enormous concept but self-mastery?
Well there are 14,900,000 references to self concept on google. Starting with this article on self-concept in the Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-concept
It's a truly amazing field of study in psychology and just like you could say you had made guitar playing, (and bottom smacking) a life long study then I can say I have made 'self' a life long study. Just like you have a guitar handy (and a few bottoms.......I pray for you brother lol), then I have myself handy for the very same reasons. Now it might look like I am being dramatic and self-centred but my self is a good place to start eh?
(It's a sad part of modern life I sometimes think that we have like a fast=reply inbuilt that goes; oh he/she needs a therapist and/or another specialist). Well yes but don't you agree that afgter a while you go beyond the best guitar teachers and then it's just down to practice practice practice?


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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/25/2008 8:33:57 AM   
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To me, being a Master, means you must “master” your slave.


To me, being a Master means you must Master yourself. I think if you are serious about it, Mastering yourself is a lifelong occupation. You never stop learning. And the lessons are everywhere from daily to life to, yes, your own slave. Some of my most important lessons have come from my interactions with my slave.

I don't think it is possible to successfully Master anyone else unless that first condition is met.


The shorthand for this is called "having your act together"

But it's something everyone needs to work on-not just tops. Personally- I have no use for "wounded birds" on either side of the slash. Competence is a quality I value the most.

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/25/2008 8:35:17 PM   
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I think Masters have to be competent.  Slaves just have to be open to who they are as a person "wholly and openly"....so the Master can competently handle them.  I don't believe there's a competency to slavery.  Masters who try to squelch the sub with demands for the subs to change or take charge, well ... that's not Mastering, that's whining and being lazy.  When there's a will there's a way.  If the Master likes the sub for who she is, from the inside out (imperfections and all), then he will have a burning desire to delve deeper into her psyche (which ya need to TOTALLY Master a slave)...mind, body, and soul...  

If you keep complaining and whining about the sub, then either you're not providing the right environment to get her to open up completely (which is needed for Mastery), ...or you just don't like all subs, which means you should stop being a Dom.   

Oh and if you don't like wounded birds, then what happens if you have a healthy bird that becomes wounded?  You just abandon the bird??  That does not from Day 1 inspire confidence in your sub that she can open up to you and trust you to catch her when she falls when difficult times come.  ...You need to find a blow-up doll or anything else that's not human.  Or maybe go masturbate by yourself, since all subs are just fucked up. *snicker*


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