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-=On Being a Master=- - 6/22/2008 9:57:04 PM

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-=On Being a Master=-
To me, the old school definition of Master is still found in the dictionary. Nouns that apply to the title are, teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense. All these titles refer to a person in a seat of responsibility over those he is training or ruling.

I enjoy all aspects of the verbal application of Master as well. One must “master” themselves before mastering others. So this old school view applies to my outlook. In order to master a slave, you must be able to be fulfill one or more of the following.

Be financially stable to own and support them. and/or
In order to rule your slave, must have mastered yourself first. and/or
To train your slave you must be an expert or “Master” in the art or subject.

To me, being a Master, means you must “master” your slave.

-Kalon Eric

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/22/2008 10:55:22 PM

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Sorry but this is overly romantic fluff.

Many male submissives support their Mistress financially, there are masters who's women support him, and frankly the richer dominants that I know are often the most fucked up.

The whole "master yourself" thing is overblown hyperbole. Master what exactly? Be perfect? Know you aren't perfect?

As for training someone, what is that about if you can't do teach? There are things I can teach that I am far from competent on but my student would never know that. There are thinks I am exceedingly competent in that I can't teach. Teaching is a skill in and of itself. Besides, if she is happy learning from you, what the hell else matters anyway? Is there someone grading us or something?

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 12:34:21 AM

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Many male submissives support their Mistress financially,

Gender bias.
I've supported most of the men in my life financially (all but one that I can think of) both in vanilla and bdsm relationship. What;s gender got to do with it.........?

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 12:37:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

-=On Being a Master=-
To me, the old school definition of Master is still found in the dictionary. Nouns that apply to the title are, teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense. All these titles refer to a person in a seat of responsibility over those he is training or ruling.

I enjoy all aspects of the verbal application of Master as well. One must “master” themselves before mastering others. So this old school view applies to my outlook. In order to master a slave, you must be able to be fulfill one or more of the following.

Be financially stable to own and support them. and/or
In order to rule your slave, must have mastered yourself first. and/or
To train your slave you must be an expert or “Master” in the art or subject.

To me, being a Master, means you must “master” your slave.

-Kalon Eric

(part of my random BDSM philosophy for the masses)

As to your points about: teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense...........perm any two from ten and i'd say sexy as hell. Mind you (fluffy masochist that I am) I even find the word Master sexy. Gawd some girls are easy to please.

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 12:46:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

-=On Being a Master=-
To me, the old school definition of Master is still found in the dictionary. Nouns that apply to the title are, teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense. All these titles refer to a person in a seat of responsibility over those he is training or ruling.

I enjoy all aspects of the verbal application of Master as well. One must “master” themselves before mastering others. So this old school view applies to my outlook. In order to master a slave, you must be able to be fulfill one or more of the following.

Be financially stable to own and support them. and/or
In order to rule your slave, must have mastered yourself first. and/or
To train your slave you must be an expert or “Master” in the art or subject.

To me, being a Master, means you must “master” your slave.

-Kalon Eric

(part of my random BDSM philosophy for the masses)

Just a thought, Resident Sadist.

i have no desire to be financially supported by my Dom. If He were significantly more financially successful than i, W/we would need to have an open and honest convo about O/our feelings and attitudes about money.

Generally, i would be relucatant to accept expensive gifts from Him, because i cannot reciprocate. i'd be even more reluctant to alter my standard of living -- incur new obligations -- based on a promise from my Dom that He would fund the additional expense.

It's more a matter of having achieved self-suficiency than it is one of trust, but even the most devoted D/s couples do s'times end T/their relationships. i would not want to lose my self-sufficiency in the event that it did not last a lifetime -- or He predeceased me -- etc.

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 12:57:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Be financially stable to own and support them. and/or
In order to rule your slave, must have mastered yourself first. and/or
To train your slave you must be an expert or “Master” in the art or subject.

To me, being a Master, means you must “master” your slave.

Yea, I agree totally... that's in the context of really playing out the Master - Slave dynamic in a 24 hours / 7 days a week / 52 weeks outta the year situation. (1) The slave must be dependent on the Master, so that's only accomplished if the Master has a dependable means of financially suppporting him plus his slave. (2) If you aren't centered in life, then the bumps will throw you, so you need to know who you are and what you are not, and then beable to work with that in dealing with your slave. This takes a lot of maturity, I think men can't be real 24/7 masters until they're at least past their mid-life crisis (typically 40 years old)... if you're just meeting a slave for the 24/7 purpose (not talking about people already married or already good with each other in another capacity 24/7). (3) The Master has to beable to be in control of the slave. That takes knowing the slave. Knowing their strengths and weaknesses. Knowing what they need, and giving it to them at your discretion not theirs. That takes a lot of E.Q. (emotional intelligence) to sense and time things right with the submissive, a dominant personality (being comfortable being in control), and being able to manage give and take with another human (be non-abusive and be the right person ... the type of person that can give the slave what he/she needs ... in exchange for her utmost obedience)

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 1:03:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: pinkieplum

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

-=On Being a Master=-
To me, the old school definition of Master is still found in the dictionary. Nouns that apply to the title are, teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense. All these titles refer to a person in a seat of responsibility over those he is training or ruling.

I enjoy all aspects of the verbal application of Master as well. One must “master” themselves before mastering others. So this old school view applies to my outlook. In order to master a slave, you must be able to be fulfill one or more of the following.

Be financially stable to own and support them. and/or
In order to rule your slave, must have mastered yourself first. and/or
To train your slave you must be an expert or “Master” in the art or subject.

To me, being a Master, means you must “master” your slave.

-Kalon Eric

(part of my random BDSM philosophy for the masses)

Just a thought, Resident Sadist.

i have no desire to be financially supported by my Dom. If He were significantly more financially successful than i, W/we would need to have an open and honest convo about O/our feelings and attitudes about money.

Generally, i would be relucatant to accept expensive gifts from Him, because i cannot reciprocate. i'd be even more reluctant to alter my standard of living -- incur new obligations -- based on a promise from my Dom that He would fund the additional expense.

It's more a matter of having achieved self-suficiency than it is one of trust, but even the most devoted D/s couples do s'times end T/their relationships. i would not want to lose my self-sufficiency in the event that it did not last a lifetime -- or He predeceased me -- etc.

pinkieplum

yea, definitely, the financial aspect should be communicated/discussed beforehand or early in the relationship. Like if the sub has to be financially independent if the relationship were to ever end, what would be the steps to ensure the slave into this will come out alright if things don't work out as planned? I mean hopefully the M/S dynamic is a cut above the human-trafficking stuff (with humans stuck with fear of being left destitute keeping them in sub-human situations).

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 1:10:58 AM

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chickpea
(1) The slave must be dependent on the Master, so that's only accomplished if the Master has a dependable means of financially suppporting him plus his slave.

No and the exception proves the rule.....maybe.
Financial captivation would totally undermine my ability and role of contributing to a household. I would find being financially captivated to be way past my limits.
I wa sreared in a 1950's post war household. Contrary to the stereotype of this evdienced in the lifestyle traditional women were expected to work very hard indeed and whatever they did or could do to contribute fib=nancially was expected of them.
The fact that I am a very good earner has always been one of my strong points. We are talking about slaves being strong and not dependants surely?

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 1:32:40 AM

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`OK a few more thoughts and then back to bed.....

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

-=On Being a Master=-
To me, the old school definition of Master is still found in the dictionary. Nouns that apply to the title are, teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense. All these titles refer to a person in a seat of responsibility over those he is training or ruling.

It might be Old School. Old school, new school, middle school....what the? Anyway I do really agree with the wider defnitions of Master. The term Master yo me, (as a humble little girl lol), is a wider, much wider role than that of dominant. Again i can only speak from experience and personal opinion and so my mind has drifted back (get out the violins) to the men I have loved. Truly really worshipped. They have all been masters of their own lives in some way entirely outside of what might be recognised as bdsm per se. I mean there was the beatnik who wooed me with a copy of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance, the Hippiw who wooed me with what seemed to be a complete mastery of psychedelics, the one who sand like an angel and played the guitar like....well you know my groupie-slave days. Then there was a man I followed behind when we walked and we never had physical sex....he was to become a Buddhist monk and a walk along Land's End pathways beteen the bamboo (yes bamboo in southern england) was a peak experience. Indeed I have knelt at the feet of a Tibetan Master and felt complete captivation that superceded the sexual. There isn't room on a thread for me to go through my loves lol....but is any of this making sense?

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
I enjoy all aspects of the verbal application of Master as well. One must “master” themselves before mastering others. So this old school view applies to my outlook.

I'm not sure what you mean by verbal applcations though.

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To train your slave you must be an expert or “Master” in the art or subject.

Yes I choose thisone as important for me. I will love and adore someone who exhibits this aspect of character. There is no single feature of similarity amongst those I have loved. Indeed put 'em in a room together and it would be quite a circus of freaks...extremes of character is what I mean. This is because I feel that mastery of self brings a person OUT, yes and out of consenensus, out of role play and out of the need for approval from others. This to me, in my humble opinion, marks a final stage of mastery of self. That very real, raw, and non-role play mastery is what makes me feel most safe as one with a slave's mindset (or at very least the capacity for such a mindset).

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To me, being a Master, means you must “master” your slave.

Oh hell there's two ways of reading and internally hearing this. The one way is to read it and receive it through the dynamic of a dominant/submissive role. Then the term makes no sense at all. viewed from a submssive position it simply sounds like a power trip.
However read and heard from a slave position it sounds and feels very different. This is because it makes me relaise that there is indeed more scope, more freedom, more potential expressiiveness and more range of creativity within me that could, I say, could be mastered by a Master. It is in the moment by moment unfolding of mastery that the blessings and the prizes lay rather than in a prescribed and predicated moves a Dominant might make. Does that make sense? ......ok tea and back to bed. It's Monday morning....have mercy baby....and happy Summer Solstice.

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 5:54:41 AM

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-=On Being a Master=-
One must “master” themselves before mastering others.

Be financially stable to own and support them. and/or
In order to rule your slave, must have mastered yourself first. and/or

I think you make an important point here that applies to all Dominants & Subs alike. One must know oneself before one can give oneself to another. You may not know your true limits but I think you need true confidence in who you are to be able to freely dominate or submit.

Perhaps this is overly romantic, but love has it's own place in these relationships and can only help with the support of each other's well being.

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 6:04:08 AM

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Nouns that apply to the title are, teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense. All these titles refer to a person in a seat of responsibility over those he is training or ruling.

They also imply some sort of superiority over the other person in the relationship; i.e.; you cannot "teach" unless there is a knowledge gap, you cannot "lead" unless the other is directionless.

And I can't wrap my head around having a relationship with an inferior.

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 6:10:45 AM

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I wish I had more time to form my thoughts on this, but I think the words imply more of a compliment of symbiotic roles than implication of deficit or superiority.

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 6:43:32 AM

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I wish I had more time to form my thoughts on this, but I think the words imply more of a compliment of symbiotic roles than implication of deficit or superiority.

There IS symbiosis; the teacher teaches, the student learns. The leader leads, the follower follows.

And you could easily argue that there is nothing superior in being a teacher (rather than the taught), the leader (rather than the follower); and you would proably be "right"

I should have said "To me, 'being taught' and 'following' imply ignorance and helplessness, and thus, inferiority."

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 7:04:13 AM

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I wish I had more time to form my thoughts on this, but I think the words imply more of a compliment of symbiotic roles than implication of deficit or superiority.

Now that's a hot avatar you have.....and I also like the word symbiosis mmmm

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 7:29:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: accipitres

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I wish I had more time to form my thoughts on this, but I think the words imply more of a compliment of symbiotic roles than implication of deficit or superiority.

There IS symbiosis; the teacher teaches, the student learns. The leader leads, the follower follows.

And you could easily argue that there is nothing superior in being a teacher (rather than the taught), the leader (rather than the follower); and you would proably be "right"

I should have said "To me, 'being taught' and 'following' imply ignorance and helplessness, and thus, inferiority."

I don't see this as a matter of superiority/inferiority. Since none of us has led an identical life (same experiences, same thoughts, feelings, perspectives, etc), then there is always room for one to teach another, IMO. Even if the life paths are similar, what each person gains from that is going to be colored by little intangibles.. thus leaving room to teach.
And, again - IMO, there is not one dominant/master worth their salt that doesnt learn from their sub/slave.

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 7:55:24 AM

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And, again - IMO, there is not one dominant/master worth their salt that doesnt learn from their sub/slave.

I agree. But, I was responding to the OP who said:

To me, the old school definition of Master is still found in the dictionary. Nouns that apply to the title are, teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense. All these titles refer to a person in a seat of responsibility over those he is training or ruling.

Can you picture this:

"To me, the definition of Master is: student, protoge, novice, follower. The submissive is responsible for both the master's training and well-being"

I think most people would be taken aback, because their metal map of dominance includes "superior" and those nouns are often viewed as "inferior". The master trains, the submissive is trained. The master is responsible, the submissive is a responsibility. The master leads, the submissive follows.

Please note: I am NOT addressing whether "teacher" really IS superior to "student". That's a whole different discussion, and one I am not willing to go into (right now).

"The master is given authority, the submissive gives up authority" has a very different flavor to me; equals who have decided to live a power imbalance (by choice).

But don't mind me; this is one of my pet peevves. Especially "training" ... I always picture someone teaching me how to balance a ball on my nose.

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 8:02:08 AM

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Nouns that apply to the title are, teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense. All these titles refer to a person in a seat of responsibility over those he is training or ruling.

They also imply some sort of superiority over the other person in the relationship; i.e.; you cannot "teach" unless there is a knowledge gap, you cannot "lead" unless the other is directionless.

And I can't wrap my head around having a relationship with an inferior.

Well, my girl was rubbing my feet the other day while we having a discussion about M/S relationships and their similarities with monotheistic worship. She shared a few insights that really made me think about things in a new way. Is this instant where I learned something from my girl that I did not know before enough to mark me as being inferior?

Given the vast majority of the subjects in the world ranging from economics to politics to stamp collecting to Sumerian candle making, it's pretty safe to assume that everyone is stupid and ignorant of at least, a few things.

People like to quote the stereotype of the "Master knows all and the slave learns and is controlled by the Master", but it's, at least in my experiences, naive and unrealistic and mostly suited for an article on Castlerealm then in a serious discussion of power based dynamics.

I find that all anyone really needs to be a successful Master in a power based relationship is to be a decent guy, have a normal, stable life, find a girl who adores you and constantly strive to learn and improve to make the best decisions possible without allowing your big "I know everything" Masterly ego to stalwart you.

One of the issues I had to deal with once is a girl's diet which was a very low calorie diet she had created without doing the proper research and was ignorantly putting her health at serious risk. Unfortunately, being a chef I knew enough about nutrition to know she was hurting herself, but not enough to create a new diet for her.

So what did we do? We both did research together, I collected my own information, she brought me information, we discussed things, I learned things from her, and then finally, I used all of this to put together a bias healthy diet for her to follow. There was no knowledge gap, we were both teaching, both learning, but I was the one who made the final decision in accords with our relationship dynamic.

I agree with Michael. The "superior Master" is a fluffy stereotype. It's inevitable that you are going to learn things from your slave, want things that you have no idea how to train them to do, and need to make decisions over subjects you are ignorant about. All that really matters is acquiring the best information to make the decision and do things right, regardless of whether or not the ego might find it offensive.

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 9:23:38 AM

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But don't mind me; this is one of my pet peevves. Especially "training" ... I always picture someone teaching me how to balance a ball on my nose.

That is so freakin' hot!!!

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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 10:57:12 AM

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Sorry but this is overly romantic fluff.
***I stand properly analyzed. I am a romantic but, the dictionary is a nice place to find common ground for good communication. If we held our own private and contradictory interpretations of terms, no one would be able to communicate. I blame Webster for their romantically biased interpretations!

Many male submissives support their Mistress financially, there are masters who's women support him, and frankly the richer dominants that I know are often the most fucked up.
***I don’t understand if this is in the spirit of an additional comment or a contradiction?
***If contradiction, Read the OP again. You can be a “Master” by definition if you fulfill only one of the roles. Simply put it’s financial/ownership OR control/discipline OR knowledge/teaching.

The whole "master yourself" thing is overblown hyperbole. Master what exactly? Be perfect? Know you aren't perfect?
***Discipline does not imply or demand perfection. It only needs control, self discipline, self control. Perfection doesn’t enter into it.

As for training someone, what is that about if you can't do teach? There are things I can teach that I am far from competent on but my student would never know that. There are [things] I am exceedingly competent in that I can't teach. Teaching is a skill in and of itself. Besides, if she is happy learning from you, what the hell else matters anyway? Is there someone grading us or something?
***I agree.

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx
Gender bias.
I've supported most of the men in my life financially (all but one that I can think of) both in vanilla and bdsm relationship. What;s gender got to do with it.........?
***Master is a gender specific role. Look it up.

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[snip] I even find the word Master sexy. Gawd some girls are easy to please.
***Girls are so attractive when they are being easy to please.

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i have no desire to be financially supported by my Dom. [snip] -- etc.
***I don’t understand your comments. This isn’t about Doms or D/s. There is a difference between the terms and relationship styles. Injecting D/s philosophy in an M/s thread won’t always work. Nonetheless, your desires to be in financial control are negotiable in a D/s environment.

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Yea, I agree [snip] … takes a lot of E.Q. (emotional intelligence) to sense and time things right with the submissive…
***Nicely put. Thank you for expanding the perspectives of the OP.

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx
[sniped/edited a lot]The term Master [to] me, (as a humble little girl lol), is a wider, much wider role than that of dominant. . . . ...Tibetan Master and felt complete captivation that superceded the sexual. There isn't room on a thread for me to go through my loves lol....but is any of this making sense?
***I don’t know if Doms would agree that the “role” is wider. However, if you meant that the definition of “terms” was wider, I understand.

I'm not sure what you mean by verbal applcations though.
***Noun vs verb usage. To be a “Master” you must “master” your slave etc/

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[snip] One must know oneself before one can give oneself to another. . . .
Perhaps this is overly romantic, but love has it's own place in these relationships and can only help with the support of each other's well being.
***Romance and love… being a romantic (thanks to Webster-see above), I say there is never too much love or too much self or mutual awareness.

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ORIGINAL: accipitres
They also imply some sort of superiority over the other person in the relationship; i.e.; you cannot "teach" unless there is a knowledge gap, you cannot "lead" unless the other is directionless.

And I can't wrap my head around having a relationship with an inferior.
***"teach" Well put and in accord with my understand of knowledge/teaching.
***”lead” I disagree. Someone can be lead in a new direction, they didn’t have to be aimless. In fact, they could be enthusiastically heading in the wrong direction when someone comes and leads them in the right direction.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I wish I had more time to form my thoughts on this, but I think the words imply more of a compliment of symbiotic roles than implication of deficit or superiority.
***Unfortunately, the many definitions of superior are often confused. I can be my slave’s superior in command, knowledge or position but, I do not have to be misogynistic or chauvinistic and feel superior to her as a human being.

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ORIGINAL: accipitres
There IS symbiosis; the teacher teaches, the student learns. The leader leads, the follower follows.

And you could easily argue that there is nothing superior in being a teacher (rather than the taught), the leader (rather than the follower); and you would [probably] be "right"

I should have said "To me, 'being taught' and 'following' imply ignorance and helplessness, and thus, inferiority."
***I agree, there is a symbiosis. I do not understand why your personal perspectives on learning or following make you feel inferior or helpless. Maybe it is that you come from an environment, a specific cross section of the pansexual BDSM community where female and male supremacy was rule of thumb for dominant attitudes and behavior. Maybe that biased your perspectives and (self) image of submissive relationship roles.

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
I don't see this as a matter of superiority/inferiority. Since none of us has led an identical life (same experiences, same thoughts, feelings, perspectives, etc), then there is always room for one to teach another, IMO. Even if the life paths are similar, what each person gains from that is going to be colored by little intangibles.. thus leaving room to teach.
And, again - IMO, there is not one dominant/master worth their salt that doesnt learn from their sub/slave.
***I agree. Knowledge is power, get it when you can and from wherever you can. One of my favorite movie quotes is parallel in this thinking. It was from that stupid movie Robocop and talked about doing business in my old hometown of Detroit. They said, “Good business is where you find it.” Well, good knowledge is where find it even if it is a CollarMe thread or from your submissive.

In fact, I credit who I am to the environment I have learned from. In BDSM and relationships, much of it was what I learned from my partners who coincidental, were subimissives… well, except that one girl in band camp.

My submissives taught me a lot and vice versa.

This is about Masters not Doms and there is a difference between them. One is not better than the other except perhaps in how it fits into your lifestyle. The same is true for the several valid definitions of the role for a Master.

Many (as in a lot not a few) of the people in the lifestyle are either self categorized incorrectly or improperly labeled by others. This causes great confusion and often leads newcomers into misunderstanding. As example, I give you this:

A Dom who is a submissive’s mentor is *her* Master. However, he is not a Master by title in the M/s (TPE) community because he doesn’t “own” a slave. This creates confusion and dissention within our BDSM community. Is a professor that has a master’s degree a “Master”? Should he be addressed as Master by his fellow teachers or only by his students?

So how is someone to know what protocol to use or what relationship style someone is taking about if the differences between D/s and M/s are blurred by referring to all the Dominants with the same terms? We clearly define the differences between a submissive and a slave by the difference in their rights to negotiate. How do we then define the difference between a D/s Dom that likes being called Master by his submissive and a M/s Master? …Even CollarMe couldn’t do it. They have a slave and a sub category but they do not list Masters, they only list Dominants. I don’t blame them.

The BDSM community in general makes the assumption that Dom is D/s and a Master is M/s. D for Dom, M for Master. When replying to posts and listening to other people’s perspectives, try to keep this in mind. The terms are used by their general understanding not the exceptions! Use some common sense.
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RE: -=On Being a Master=- - 6/23/2008 11:43:01 AM

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Some of the notions here I personally feel are rather subjective according to opinion and vary in realtity.

For instance, the level of mastering myself at age 27, was different compared to let's say age 22 or 37.

In order to Train a slave, I think it's more in terms of Training them in ways that please me, and not in mystical arts or way of the Jedi.

How much do you have to Master to teach somebody how the Hell to please you, follow your lead, to accept responsibility, to bend over and show me thier ass when I do friggen please.   Bend over grab your ankles.   In terms of expressing this, how do I have to Master before telling somebody I expect my first morning cup of coffee to be ready for me at 7am.   How much do I need to master to ask her, so what turns you on? How much do I need to master to ask questions or simply listen? How much does on really have to Master first?

OK, I can be a Smart ass at times. I don't buy into group conformity. How much do I have to Master to express this to a sub/slave.   How much do I have to Master first here exactly?

People make BDSM much harder then it needs to be.   More like it requires special Kung Fool or Jedi training in the ways of the friggen force.

Concepts such a self control, should have all been part of your childhood upbringing. The kind of shit one should have figured out in Grade School. If not then you still have a lot of work to do.

First and foremost, everybody is a Master of themselves. In terms of self control and in doing what we have to do in day to day life. Even slaves or submissives are Masters of themselves.

Let me share some insightful information as well. At times, submissives and even slave know things that use Domly types should be able to learn. Imagine the concept of a submissive showing off some Awesome Blow Skill that would have never entered our mind in a million years.   Imagine a slave or submissive putting together some killer tasty meal, we never ate before.  Imagine a sub or slave showing us some neat household cleaning trick.

I'm not a Jedi Master of using the force, I'm a human being. I realize first and foremost, I don't know it all. That I never will.   That I will have never completely and fully Mastered everything in life, including myself.   We all have flaws and faults and weakness.   That's what makes us human, instead of being arrogrant Greek Gods.

If I'm going to teach a slave or sub let's say how to cook, I can only take her so far down the path.  In order for her to advance her skills, I'm forking out cash for the Books or whatever else it takes for her to improve her skills.

At times, the student can surpass the Master type of thing. However, the student is there to learn from that type of Master, not to Serve the Master.

We are talking about BDSM Master/slave relationship, not some story Line from the Karate Kid you know.   Mind you, at times playing that kind of Master is very rewarding.   I'm not going to fault you or anybody including myself for incorperating those aspects.   However some sub/slaves don't need to be trained to that extent. Their Mommy and Daddy's taught them more then enough growing up.

I'm really have agree this "Overly Romantic Fluff". Damn, I just want to bite the heads off from some Marshmallow Peeps now and Flush a Furby down the toliet. Perhaps Hang a tickle me Elmo off from the tree limb in my backyard and freak the kids out in the neighborhood so it keeps them away from the property.   I'd love any slave or subbie girl that has an appreciation for Dark Humor. Regardless if it was all the Masterful or not.

Everything has it's own taste and flavor in this world.   How much does one have to Master to appreciate Dark Humor? At times it's not a matter of trying to Master something, It's a matter of simply doing. Growing together. Taking everything one step at a time.

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