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mnottertail -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/11/2005 4:10:46 PM)

I did once, but she was mean, so I left her.

Ron



stormsfate -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/11/2005 4:15:35 PM)

bella....I had to chuckle at the situation you outline and maybe you will too if you stop to think about it. Here is this person trying to instruct you on how you should behave as a slave, despite the fact that you are owned by someone other than them. Apparently they aren't as well versed in the lifestyle as they would like to think. Afterall, they are attempting to correct/instruct someone that belongs to someone else and *that* is not done. Surely they know the proper thing to do would be to approach your owner if they have a problem with your behaviour. Bottom line, a good slave is one who behaves as his/her owner instructs and everyone else's input simply isn't relevant.

Yeah, yeah, yeah....I know...there is no "one true way". But its like walking up to someone else's toy bag, taking out a nice signal whip, and proceeding to test it out without the knowledge and/or permission of the owner. Its someone else's property, and that's just rude. In short, the person who you are posting about is just being rude and apparently doesn't know any better, so rather than let it upset you, just ponder the fact that there will always be those who are ill informed.



best regards,
fate



LordODiscipline -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/11/2005 4:16:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Belladonna82

Through out my postings with people on here and my r/t experiences people get angry that Master allows me opinions...yes Master always has the final say but my opinions are always kept in mind.Recently on anouther board someone said that i was not a slave for simple fact Master allows me certain freedoms...like a opinion<snip>


Everyone has an opinion.

Where, when, why, and how you express it is your master's option entirely...

...and, the other guy ain't your dominant.

I am sure if you were out of line, your dominant would reel you in.

Stop sweating the small minds (and, stuff).

Just a thought.

~J



IronBear -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/11/2005 4:17:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: dark~angel

A slave or a submissive is of course going to have views. And their views will, undoubtedly, be relevant to their Dominant and how she behaves reflects on him and his teachings.
But the ultimate thing is, it really doesnt matter what anyone thinks of you as a slave. The only one to be concerned of is ones Master/dominants... etc...

Peace and Love


That of course sweet Angel is the definitive answer. My regards to your Master btw. [:D]


"May peace, joy and blessings be with you and yours"



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/11/2005 4:51:18 PM)

Is it common for gorean masters to have "daddy" relationships with their kajira as well?



sweetpettjenny -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/11/2005 5:04:56 PM)

Its great to be opinionated , but i for one when owned step back and think much more before i speak, because i reflect on the Master who lovingly placed a collar on my neck...



Belladonna82 -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/11/2005 5:12:32 PM)

Many Goreans care for their slaves as if they were high property...i call Master Daddy not out of the fact he is a Daddy dom but it makes it easier on our children...Damn it...stop picking everything apart to suit what you want....



mnottertail -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/11/2005 5:17:46 PM)

couple of psyches going at it, I love it. For all of you watching this, you will be timed and billed at the rate of $278.39 per hour, couch extra, please send your cash, good check or bankdraft to:

Ron,
I don't believe you heard me,
Ron.......
at.......

Jus' life, I guess.....ain't nothing to carve on a gravestone yet.

Ron



fyreredsub -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/11/2005 5:37:27 PM)

there are very few i email w/ on the other side,but the few i do,

it is b/c i respect them as people and enjoy what they have to say/offer in these forums and i am proud to be able to call those few friends.

they are real people w/ real feelings,
just as i and you.

all of us on here.

so many seem to forget that when they pick apart posts like it is a joke.[>:]

or those that perhaps try to make themselves be above the rest of us mere mortals.who knows why/ who cares?

i have had the experience and it isn't pleasant.(i had an annoying troll post after me...lol...for awhile.)

pisses me off as a matter of fact and i dont like to see it done to my 'friends either'.

i have found i am rather good at 'pleasantly' getting my 'sarcastic ' point across [:)]when i see it being done

what a lil opiniated subbie i am[:D]



quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

Obviously I dont "Know" Six or bella, I have never met them face to face. Like the rest of the posters here, I do make judgement calls based on posts and the person as we see them here on the boards. hell I don't always agree with either of them, or anyone else for that matter. But I've made some incredable cyber friends, which I believe could, if the circumstances allowed, blossom into full blown friendships. perhaps onwe of the things I like about Six, is that he is consistant in his Gorean attitude, I like the man and have and do call him friend. As for bella, she exhibits most of the traits I would love to have in a girl in my collar. Am I warped? HELL YES!!!! I never want to be any other way [:D] Love them or hate them, they do add to the vibrancy and spirit of CM and if for no other reason I'm glad they are here.




SirSix72 -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/11/2005 6:27:29 PM)

Wow,

I think the personal attacks shouldnt be allowed, this adds nothing to the post. It shows the maturity level of the one picking things apart. Everyone is allowed an opinion be it right or wrong. No need to tear down anyone else and this is what I see happening here. LA if you enjoy all sides and venues from the lifestyle remember this dosent make you an authority on any subject. I would suggest keeping to the OP in the thread would be better. This isnt them against us as many before you have tried to make it. I may be Gorean but that dosent mean that I dont involve myself in BDSM activities. This dosent make me any better than anyone else either. I think we are all here to share our knowledge with one another and learn from everyones experiences. I have learned a little tolerance for others since starting to post on this message boards. Maybe we should all learn a little something about emotional maturity within this lifestyle. If someone feels this lifestyle has brought out something in them that they could achieve in a former vanilla life then it is probably true. It takes more communication within the dynamic of a BDSM/Gorean relationship than a vanilla one in my opinion. I allow each of my kajria an opinoin and voice as long as it is well thought out and kind. Something I feel each of us could consider before we open our mouths to those that have been misinformed with the newbie packets you were so digelently talking about.

Master Six



darkinshadows -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/12/2005 10:51:27 AM)

Well sorry here, but I didnt see any personal attack from LA Six. I know LA can speak for herself, but I thinks its just yours and bellas thoughts. Maybe I am wrong. I havent even seen bella call you daddy for a start and I see the question asked of IRONBEAR not you or bella...
And, not meaning to be rude Six, but personal attacks are your forte - you tend to become condecending and personal when people do not agree with you, as does bella. So maybe it might just be more appropriate to keep to bellas (and consequently yours) original question, instead of trying to label someone else for something you are quite familier with doing yourself. I hope you see this suggestion as a constructive critique and not a personal attack. Bellas rection to a simple question shows her personal views and her own opinion yes, but this reflects on yourself - do you see this? Therefore, the bitter and uncontrolled response reflects directly on yourself. It is actually a very good example of the question asked.

Peace and Rapture



SirSix72 -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/12/2005 12:20:35 PM)

I can admit I have attacked some people before. The point of the matter is that this is "ask a Master". Not ask a slave/submissive. How can you see where each side is coming from with all the static noise on this forum. I love collarme and I have found a great many new people to talk with and possibly meet. I have another kajria under consideration now from within this forum. The fact remains that if you identify as a slave/sub then shouldnt you post if the question was asked under that heading?I see this lots on the CM network where some dive around trying to make a statement for themselves. I like LA but she does tend to put her two cents in and tear others down when she dosent agree with what they have to say. Now this has erupted into a flame war between her nad my slave because her and I dont see eye to eye. If there is a problem take it up with me. You dont identfy as a slave darkangel but your statemenets are always kind and appericiated by me. I can see where you are comng beause of the way you come across. I also know I can become condecending at times but I stand strog being a Gorean Master and this wont change. Maybe it isnt others cups of tea but it is mine. I try not to let it be us against them. But you know when you are different then some try and tear you down to make themselves feel better. I can be guilty of that at times myself at times but only after the attempt has been made to tear me down. I come across with logic and not emotions. I rule my emotions and not let them rule my decisions that I make on a daly basis. I hope that everyone can see where im coming from and understad that I try to see where each and every person comes from as well but when you come across letting your emotions rule your decisions then I do tend to think less of you. Not that it really matters what I think it only matters what y ou and yours think of yourselves. I have to get back to work so I will post again late on this topic.

Master Six



happypervert -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/12/2005 12:28:49 PM)

quote:

. The point of the matter is that this is "ask a Master". Not ask a slave/submissive

*rolling my eyes*

Folks can post their opinions anywhere they damned well please around here, though I suppose you might get away with that argument in the gorean forum if a thread is titled "a question for masters". But you aren't there now, so don't try pulling that nonsense here.



girl4you2 -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/12/2005 12:42:04 PM)

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darkinshadows -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/12/2005 12:59:07 PM)

Six, I can appriciate your point of view.

In response to one of your statements. This is the 'ask a master ' forum - however that doesnt stop slaves or subs responding - nor Mistress' - just as the Gorean forum has BDSM peoples attend - If a person wishes only Masters to respond, then thats all that need be asked... and further, bellas question was put out for all to respond... not just Masters -


quote:

Greetings Master,Mistress and fellow slaves.....


LA... is also a very special concoction of person. And has just as much right to place over her views as anyone. And to be honest, its bella whom jumped not LA. The version of bellas question is indeed very similar to You not my Dom question you posed elsewhere... it was a good example. Its not picking - its speaking out ones mind. If a person cannot take the negative response(ie those that point out similarities or do not agree) then one should not be posting. Life is harsh, and surely it is the way bella responds that relates to you - can you see this? Its all part of the same question.

No one can pull apart anything to do with you is your happy within yourselves. A Gorean Master owns His world and is not phased by those outside it - so bella should not be concerned with thoughts of others and neither should You. Now that sounds like I am 'telling' you how you should be and thats not my intention - but its the perception - I do hope this is making sense? The flaming doesnt exist - unless you allow it to take control.

Peace and Rapture



nephandi -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/12/2005 1:21:00 PM)

i think it is nice you have found a way to call you Master that do not dstrupt your family life Belladonna82, this is the kind of creativity that is werry good to see, the find a need in ones relationship and fill it.

As for you question, take that your Master give you the right to express your viewes as a gift and be grateful and ignore what others say, some pepole would say you are not a slave since you have brown hair, pepole love to exclude to make themself feel special, the truth of the matter is, none but your Master`s and your opinions matter in how you and him live your life.



KnightofMists -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/12/2005 1:45:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: dark~angel

Well sorry here, but I didnt see any personal attack from LA Six. I know LA can speak for herself, but I thinks its just yours and bellas thoughts. Maybe I am wrong. I havent even seen bella call you daddy for a start and I see the question asked of IRONBEAR not you or bella...
And, not meaning to be rude Six, but personal attacks are your forte - you tend to become condecending and personal when people do not agree with you, as does bella. So maybe it might just be more appropriate to keep to bellas (and consequently yours) original question, instead of trying to label someone else for something you are quite familier with doing yourself. I hope you see this suggestion as a constructive critique and not a personal attack. Bellas rection to a simple question shows her personal views and her own opinion yes, but this reflects on yourself - do you see this? Therefore, the bitter and uncontrolled response reflects directly on yourself. It is actually a very good example of the question asked.

Peace and Rapture


very well said



KnightofMists -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/12/2005 4:39:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: happypervert

quote:

. The point of the matter is that this is "ask a Master". Not ask a slave/submissive

*rolling my eyes*

Folks can post their opinions anywhere they damned well please around here, though I suppose you might get away with that argument in the gorean forum if a thread is titled "a question for masters". But you aren't there now, so don't try pulling that nonsense here.



Oh my... you mean this isn't posts from just Masters? Obviously sixth sense isn't working.

Thank you for the clarification.



SirSix72 -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/12/2005 4:44:05 PM)

I agree I become condesending or rude. If you try and shove your mainstream belies down my throat and tell me how wrong I am because I expect nothing less than for others including myself to be respectful. We can all sit here and argue about the semantice of the personal relationship dynamic.But to use this as an excuse to be rude or tear down those that do is a little childish. Bring something else to these boards other than excuses as to why something cant be done. Lets focus on what can be accomplished by showing respect and open communication between the Dom/sub relationship. I see here on this forum about needs, wants and desires not being met and those that are so stubbon they wont listen to reason or evalute there own persona moral beliefs. I do attack those that think of me other than what I am. There are alot of dogmastists out there thinking the knight in shining armor approach is the best way to get them laid. If I wanted to get laid I could find others means to get it without warping the values within the BDSM community or the Gorean subset. Maybe some of you can see wher eim coming from and for those of you that cant this again is your own ideals. But dont shove relational dynamics down my throat as an excuse to be rude.

Master Six



DesertRat -> RE: Are slaves allowed opinions (11/12/2005 5:54:55 PM)

It seems to me that you are criticizing others for offering excuses for rudeness but, in the same breath, offering your own excuses...for rudeness.

I have a proposal: No rudeness; no excuses.

As originally set out by bella, this was a lovely thread. Good topic. Good discussions. I thank her for raising the issue and admire you and her for having a relationship in which her opinions count for something. That's my way, too.

Bob



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