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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/14/2008 11:40:48 AM   
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Thank you, poenkitten.  I often wonder how many people realize the time, effort, and money that responsible breeders put into their dogs.  Pandy has not had any complications thus far, and we are working on preventing future ones.  As I said before, she is still rather active - running around and playing with the other dogs - which reduces the risks of embolism.  She's been to the vet pre-breeding and since.  If she had any problems (chronic ear infections, hip problems and knee problems are all common to the breed, and we also looked for uncommon problems - murmurs, intestinal problems, etc.) then we would have neutered her - her health isn't worth risking, nor is it worth bringing puppies into the world with bad genetics ... too bad we can't do that with people, eh?

For the record, when she wasn't ready to breed, she layed down and turned so that Ray couldn't get at her - she also snapped at him and would go into areas where he couldn't fit.  The fact that she stood for him shows that she was willing to breed - this wasn't a forced thing.  Trust me - 4lbs lighter than him or not, she can pin him down and kick his ass when she wants to.  She does it on a fairly regular basis when she doesn't look like she's swallowed a grapefruit whole.  Wrestling with the big dogs will do that.  She has gained weight properly and appropriate to her size and breed, she hasn't gotten fat or thin. 

Also keep in mind that true puppy mills will almost always have multiple dogs breeding simultaniously, breed their dogs at their first heat (usually before they are full grown), and tend to keep their dogs in unsuitable housing.  I think you will find that our dogs - pregnant or not - are treated like little royalty.  Crates that are appropriately sized for them, free run of the house (2100sq ft) most of the time, free run of the yard when we let them out (1.5 acres and supervised to prevent running off/accidents).  We also have one female that is preg, and she is almost 2 years old - and way past her first heat (we're on heat 5 or 6, honestly ... if not more).  She is my baby, and is very well cared for.  If there are any complications, or if any of the puppies are unhealthy in any way - she will be neutered.  We will not harm my baby, or the breed.

I respectfully request, once again, that those who are against all breeding please stay out of this thread.

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/14/2008 12:07:13 PM   
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Thanks, poen, I already volunteer w/Rescue groups and pay a handsome sum to spay/neuter clinics.
We can just agree to disagree on this subject. I've had my say and will respectfully leave.

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/14/2008 12:10:57 PM   
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Sure, what do YOU think she's going to do w/the puppies? Not keep 'em, I'm sure.
No need for name calling, this is SUPPOSED to be an adult conversation, however, if you can't particiapte w/o doing it by all means, carry on.


I know exactly what she's going to do with them, I live with her. One is for Grandma and one s for my best friend, providing we end up with a black & white puppy.

Hardly the money machine you envision.

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/14/2008 12:20:24 PM   
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Well, I am still looking forward to pictures of the little chew toys...


Just a quick response to the attempted hijacks... So after we spay and neuter every cat and dog, what do you recommend we turn to for pets?  My vote is for people, I will even help advertise the continued motto of "Please remember to spay and neuter your pets.".  I can think of quite a few examples of folks that shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

There are some horrible folks out there that are not responsible enough to handle themselves much less breeding pets.  I don't see a reason to lump responsible breeders, or pet owners into the same group.

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/14/2008 12:29:11 PM   
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LOL, I'm telling you, our chew toys are tough, Thadius. :-P  Pandy regularly beats up on the Boxer lol

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/14/2008 12:40:53 PM   
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I love observing the social hierarchy that groups of canines and felines impose; who hogs the food dish, meaning the person had to separate the feeding bowels, who takes up resident in a particular couch or pillow, who shows submission, who shows dominance and all the play hunting and fighting.  My first kitty was the alpha-bitch-queen of the household and would perch on her stool in the kitchen, hissing and smacking any of the other animals that got too close.  Even the large shepherd/retriever mix was wary of her.

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/15/2008 6:04:03 AM   
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I am a strong supporter of spay and neuter and will continue to be. Too many lives are lost each month because no one has room for them and the problem is likely to get worse before it gets better. When people are having trouble making their mortgage and feeding themselves, pets are the first to suffer and be displaced. Our furred friends are expensive members of our families and while some of them more than earn their keep as actors, show dogs and service animals, even more of them can only give love as their contribution, a very worthy one, but not a financial help and if the family gets into difficulties, they are the first to suffer.

Pets offer us a great deal of beneficial services. They lift our moods, make us exercise, make us laugh, comfort us when we are down, protect us and lower our blood pressure. They help us hear, walk ( in my case get up and down), alert us to things like cancer, epilepsy, heart problems. They reach into the private world of the autistic and open the world to the blind. They don't care about breed standards and will mate with whoever is acceptible and available. I had a chihuahua slip through the bars of a fence to try and mate with my female dane when she had enter into heat. All he could reach was an ankle but he was more than willing to try..give him a ladder and he was all about that amazon. Breeds, especially where people are careful to stay on standards and are careful, can tell you right off the bat some of the things to expect from your dog. Working Breeds MUST work or they get into trouble, Retrievers will fetch that ball until your arm falls off, Bloodhounds will sniff, beagles dig and root and so on and so forth. The "Designer" dogs are supposed to mix the best of both breeds, and to be honest this is how we got the breeds we recognize today. Dobermans and German Shepherds didn't spring forth a full standard without crossing lines and other breeds into them until they had what they wanted and it bred true. Doens't mean it is right for this day and age when there are few jobs for dogs to do that are not already well filled.

Responsible owners breed rarely, already have placement for the puppies and are more concerned with the health of the parents and breed standards than cash. They don't breed just so the kids can see the miracle of birth, or because it is cash that doesn't have to be reported for the puppies. If the results are only pet quality they insist on the progeny being spayed or neutered by contract. Puppy mills on the other hand not only have more than one female in estrus or pregnant but also more than one breed going. Health care for the animals is rarely priority afterall they can breed more. Puppy Mills are largely responsible for Collies with skulls so narrow there is little room for brains, LARGE numbers of Dalmations who are born deaf, Hip Displaysia rampant in Shepherds and many other breed genetic defects that are proliferating these days. Every time a Breed wins the major dog shows it becomes popular and when that happens the Puppy Mills gear up. The majority of petshops buy from Puppy Mills not reputable breeders. If you are looking for a reputable breeder check magazines like Cat Fancy or Dog Fancy and then CHECK OUT the Kennel itself. Look at the way they treat the dogs, how they are housed, look at the pedigrees and get references. Check with the better Business Bureau and the AKC or equivalent before purchasing. Better yet, look to Breed Rescue, if you are looking or a specific breed, they will help to match you up with a dog that fits your life and personality. Often they are already spayed/neutered, obediance trained and housebroken.

Check the local pounds and those within driving range as well.  Many a loving cat or dog is sitting there waiting on death row and looking for you. BUT, be responsible. Don't adopt if you don't have time to care for the pet. Don't adopt if you don't have time to train them. Make sure your landlord (if you have one) and all family members are in agreement on having a pet and what size. Keep them on leash when outside, vaccinated and contained if they are in the yard. Most of all, remember, they will give their lives for you, forgive you anything, any fault and love you unconditionally..be worthy of it.

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/19/2008 4:52:42 PM   
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  I felt one of the puppies move a few minutes ago.  It's fairly rare for Pandy to lay still enough to feel them instead of her, so I'm pretty excited - this is the first puppy we've felt moving.

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/19/2008 4:59:13 PM   
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Awwwww thats cool. But... I got all excited when I saw that you'd posted. I thought the puppies had arrived dang it!



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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/19/2008 5:03:19 PM   
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Sorry - I'm voting for tomorrow night - she's definitely losing interest in running around and playing with the other dogs ... she doesn't usually lay quietly on my bed either (she's the "tap-dance-on-mommy" type of dog lol).  I think she'll start nesting tonight and have the puppies by Thursday morning.

I'm off to work shortly for tonight, so I'm hoping they don't come until sometime after I'm home lol

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/19/2008 7:16:05 PM   
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Thanks for the updates.  We are all excited too! 

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/19/2008 8:05:36 PM   
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I'm used to much larger dogs like English Mastiffs... can you give those of us who aren't familiar with smaller dogs a size reference for these cute creatures?

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/19/2008 11:24:55 PM   
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I'm used to much larger dogs like English Mastiffs... can you give those of us who aren't familiar with smaller dogs a size reference for these cute creatures?


Your Mastiff is Godzilla, and a Shih-Tzu is a toy Japanese tank:P

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/20/2008 5:05:02 PM   
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I'm gonna have Pandy bite you tonight for that crack, boy :-P  They are at least large-scale toy tanks lol

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/21/2008 7:57:03 AM   
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My little Pug had TEN (i'm still in shock) babies last Friday!!! Mom and pups are all doing fine !

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/21/2008 8:34:39 AM   
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I love pugs ;)

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/21/2008 9:04:03 AM   
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Me too!! They're soo freakin funny, natural clowns!

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/21/2008 9:10:52 AM   
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My little Pug had TEN (i'm still in shock) babies last Friday!!! Mom and pups are all doing fine !

Ten? Mom must have been huge right before delivery. Did she get a C-section? 

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/21/2008 9:25:09 AM   
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Oh wow ... 10 puppies ... I'm still hoping for just 3 or 4 at this point.  She's definitely less active - and I've now felt puppies moving in 3 places.  She had some discharge earlier, so I put her in the bedroom where the whelping box is and I've been checking on her regularly.  I also put one of my shirts in there with her (don't care if it gets destroyed - it's from high school lol). 

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RE: Puppies!!!!! - 8/21/2008 9:33:01 AM   
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Best of Luck with the impending birth!! I was grateful my puggy gave birth during the day, not in the middle of the night like they usually do....

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