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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

... You identify as a slave but no one else would think you one.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

...  it is your duty to inform your owner that doing something would hurt you but it is not your choice.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

... Knowing that having a slave ring your nipple makes you more appealing than a woman without pierced nipples is a big thing.  I can’t imagine a slave that wouldn’t want to be more appealing to her Master.  I can’t imagine a slave that wouldn’t want her nipples constantly in her Master’s mind so that every time he looked at her he knew there was a pair of service rings hanging from the nipples of his property.  If your Master asked you to pierce your nipples and you had a sexual mind, you wouldn’t hesitate for heartbeat because you know you would be getting laid twice as often.

Also, a property tag on a loop hanging from your hood and bouncing against your clit all day long is another standard method of marking slaves.  Imagine your owner’s name on a steel tag that’s banging against your clit every time you walk…  That is a big deal.

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Phew!!
Thought i was being over sensitive in what i'd read and my response

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ORIGINAL: CruelDesires


In reply to the thread itself...

My perception of one thing is right. Your perception is wrong.

In some cases I see people arguing about their perceptions of things rather then definitions. The IE thread down in the "ask a Master" forum for example.

Wouldn't it be better if they adapted the certain type of philosophy of, my ideal world is a square hole. I am looking for square blocks to fill it and interact with. Although you are a round block, I can still respect you as a person but... you perceive things different and we would not be compatible.

Rather then just dismissing them as fake? Absolutes are all well and good but the can be self-defeating in the sense that they may show that someone is close-minded and does not want to learn and grow. 
C-D

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist
Eric does tend to be a bit "one true way" in a lot of his expressions-but at least he HAS done this in real life.

As opposed to the annoying fucktards here that have only read about it-and "know it all" form jerking off to bad pornography.

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Rusty butterknife fetish?

Oh yes, I believe that belongs to "the straw man"

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ORIGINAL: poisonedprogress

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Rusty butterknife fetish?

Oh yes, I believe that belongs to "the straw man"

Because refusal to accept a symbol of ownership, for any reason, invalidates the "title" of slave entirely.

Implying the absence of a line is not a straw man.

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Fear mongering is to invoke the straw man. Invoking the straw man shows you have already lost the argument.

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Anyone who does this in real life is quite aware of reasonable limits.

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Please don't insult our intelligence by throwing out ludicrous statements like these.

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My issue with "umbrella people" is that they seek to dilute everything to the lowest common denominator. If something can mean anything-it soon means nothing.

And brings nothing but confusion and chaos.

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ORIGINAL: poisonedprogress
And how is piercing not a reasonable limit?

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Again, implying the absence of a line is not a straw man. I know people with crippling phobias of needles who would rather die than get stuck. Tattoos and piercings are out of the question for them. The butter knife analogy was actually theirs, I just applied it to symbols of ownership, with the point being that refusal to accept a symbol of ownership for any reason does not invalidate the title of slave. If refusing to get pierced renders your slave title invalid, why doesn't refusing to do the lindy hop?

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You seem to be telling me, in response to my suggestion that there is no line, that there is in fact a line drawn somewhere. Where that line is drawn is completely arbitrary. You apparently draw it at rusty butter knife amputation. Others draw it at piercing. Does one invalidate the title of slave while the other doesn't? Why?

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I think the same of people who attempt to define other peoples' relationships based on completely arbitrary personal preferences. For instance, I hereby declare that you are not a master unless you can breakdance.

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ORIGINAL: softness

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The net is a wonderful place to be whatever you want to be-even when you are not.

Yep.  I think most of the people who are who they say they are have met someone on the net who isn't what they sau they are.  I should imagine the people who aren't what they say they are have also met people who aren't who they say they are.  I wanna be the fly on the wall when the two 40 year old male 20something lesbians meet up.

As it is, trying to keep track of who I really am is hard enough without having to me a fake someone too.  More power to those who can juggle the real them and the fake one enough to keep track of who is who and what is what and so on.  *Smiles*

knows you are a fake ... i thought that as i sat having lunch yesterday ... this girl who is exactly who she says she is ... is well ... totally fake ... it was the cake that did it ... a twue slave would have baked a black cake ... not a pink one.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I would suggest that piercing is perhaps a reasonable limit.  However, many would argue that it is not a rational limit.  I say this due to your following lines.

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A phobia is by definition  (from Greek: φόβος, phobos, "fear"), is an irrational, intense, persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, or persons. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive, unreasonable desire to avoid the feared subject. When the fear is beyond one's control, or if the fear is interfering with daily life, then a diagnosis under one of the anxiety disorders can be made.  This, to Me, seems less than a rational fear of the dangers of a rusty butter knife.

I also highly doubt that there are many with any type of phobia to the lindy hop.

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I would go back the the rational vrs irrational theory.  Btw, I'm not knocking anyone with an irrational fear of needles.  My own sub has a hard limit of needles for an entirely different reason, and it has always been respected.  I have an irrational fear of My own, though it does happen to be a different one.

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Should you go back to the OP, I actually don't think that Leatherist was define anyone's relationships.  I think it was more he was mentioning his view on those who proclaim their status as a slave, without ever having lived as one.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
Come on people…

D/s verses M/s, get a grip on it. You are on CollarMe, treat this place with a modicum of respect and acknowledge that “wouldn’t obey” options are only accepted in a D/s negotiated submission.  That is not what a slave in a TPE does.  No slave refuses to wear the steal of her Master or his mark.  She is to act as property.  My car never told me whether it didn’t want to wear the license plate.  My slave sure as fuck would never tell me whether she would have a nipple pierced or not.