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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 7/31/2008 8:12:53 PM

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Not at all, just curious that if you cn loose weight by following a strict diet the dr gave you to loose weight before the surgery why can't you bypass* no pun intended* the surgury and just do what you were doing to loose weight for the surgury.

Cause to me if you can loose 100 pounds, before even getting the surgury and all by controlling what you eat, and doing as the dr said , why can't you just do that with out a surgury.

And a lot of people gave very good reasons and insite.

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damn you Christine lol ! Was just gonna quote you..

But seriously YHMA as a person who is trying to lose weight yourself you are being a little negative.

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 7/31/2008 8:19:42 PM

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Please see my post to the other person who's statement I answered. I'm curious, to me if someone can loose weight following a strict diet the dr gave them for surgury why can;t we do that strict with out the surgury an just the diet.

I am basically asking if you can loose weight by following what the doctor said and sticking to a strict diet why can't you loose weight with out the surgury. Course I understand that most people on the regiment to get the surgury are supposed to have nothing but liquid meal replacement protein shakes, an you can't do that forever.

It's not supposed to be negative it's an honest and curious question.

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lol divi. ok yhma...you do seem a bit negative for someone who is trying to lose weight. it just seems a bit odd to me that you're criticisizing those who need the surgery because of self control. isnt' everyone who needs to lose weight, whether they need to lose 10 to 100 lbs, guilty of a self control issue? i'm counting myself in that group by the way, i have a bit of weight to lose myself.

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 7/31/2008 8:25:35 PM

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Nope, cause then what would the people looking to pick onothers for random shit do then?

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 7/31/2008 8:50:07 PM

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I agree that GB can be a life-saving tool and that many people can benefit. however, as it is a surgery, there are always risks involved.

one of my dearest friends had GB two weeks ago...her BMI categorized her as obese and she also had other weight-related issues, so while not as overweight as the "average" GB candidate, she still has a lot to benefit from the surgery.

what she didn't expect was to be have one of the life-threatening complications...she had what is termed a "bleed", while still in the hospital, and nearly died. she credits the quality of the facility she was in for saving her life.

bottom line, a surgery is a surgery is a surgery...

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 7/31/2008 9:32:27 PM

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what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't people just control eating an exorcise

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Nope, cause then what would the people looking to pick onothers for random shit do then?

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 7/31/2008 11:38:27 PM

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i am going to try and answer the questions and comments on this thread as calmmly and rationally as possible.

MistressPav,
Calories in needing to be lower than calories out is great in theory. However, the reality of the situation is it's not that simple in real life.
To say it angers me when people assume because i'm over-weight that i must have some addiction to food, must have no self will, or any of the other mundane bullshit armchair psychologist reasons would be a mild understatement.
Here's my reality in this lovely little hateful and judgemental world of ours...
My 'dad' used to tell me everyday on a daily basis how fat, ugly, stupid, and repulsive looking i was. After 19 or so years, yeah, it's pretty difficult to deny. 13 years ago i had my thyroid surgically removed. At the wonderful decisions of the lovely medical professionals i was seeing at that time, i gained about 165 pounds because no one thought to put me on any replacement medication. That combined with my ill-held belief that i was fat, ugly, stupid, repulsive looking made me so deathly afraid of food it was not funny. My personal 'best' for going without food is 3 weeks and 2 days. i no longer say that with such pride......
A couple of things that have happened for me recently...
About 5 months ago or so i was at my mom's house and i was going through these pictures of me growing up...i was really startled and confused....Actually, i was so confused i left all of them there.. 2 months ago i finally decided to ask my sister about those pictures... i started out by saying something about how i was 'fat when we were growing up'. She stopped me and said, "WHAT are you talking about?" i explained to her my belief. Then she asked me about this picture we had taken for my mom one Christmas when i was 14. She said, do you not remember how thin you looked in that picture? My response to her (which made perfect logical sense up until the point when it came out of my mouth) was, well yeah, but i figured they did some kind of trick with the camera!!??
Where i'm at now with this is: Some days i literally have to force myself to eat 3 times a day...Some days i must have Him help me become motivated to do it. Most days i believe i am still (and am always going to be) fat, ugly, and repulsive looking.......
By the way, i do work out every morning.
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i agree with thispost Kali... its the same wya with me and my mom.. she was told by her brothers that she was fat and ugly.. she believed it.. she now is fat and "ugly".. and somehow she thinks calling me fat ugly and stupid will make me change.. i never have to force my self to eat.. but.. i havent had it drilled into my head that in fat/ugly/stupid for 19 years.. hell ill only be 20 on the 2nd...

u can tell me all the theories u want.. how whatever diet worked so well for so and so.. but untill u can prove to whoever that their not fat and ugly and stupid.. i (and many other ppl) will believe that we r in fact fat, ugly stupid and unwanted.

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 7/31/2008 11:43:07 PM

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going along with something LadyHibicus mentioned.. we have been told for so long to clean our plates cuz there :starving children in china" or whereever that a lot of us cant stop if theres food left on our plates. while im not advocating wasting food i think thats the main reason i eat so much.. my mother told me for year and years and years that i needed to eat all the food on my plate cuz it was wasteful.. sure i took to much sometimes.. i was 10 at a buffett... what do u expect? its been hammered into our brains that if we leave food on our plates (even if were full) its wasteful.

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 1:41:50 AM

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Several, Hannible - right now though it's late (or early, depending on how you look at it lol - 330 in the morning anyway) and I'm having a bit of difficulty organizing my thoughts.

I think many of us share that problem - growing up being told not to waste the food in front of us. To a certain extent, in my family at least, it's a holdover from my grandparents growing up during the depression with 6 to 9 siblings Each. Food WAS scarce - there was a serious drought going on here in Oklahoma, the economy was beyond being in the toilet, there often wasn't enough money to buy food much less anything remotely resembling luxuries - and in a large family like my grandparents both grew up in, it simply Was Not Done to leave something on the plate, period. There frequently wasn't enough to really go around anyway - and no guarentees on any given day that there was going to be another meal for a while. Knowing what was going on while they were growing up gives me an understanding of why they were so set in their ways about the whole "clean your plate" thing. It doesn't Excuse it - it doesn't make it "right" - it simply makes it Understandable.

As for the whole being told all one's life that they're fat when they're not - that's one that I can understand far to well myself, Kalista. Though for me it wasn't family members - it was Peers in junior high and highschool. The "Twiggy" look - no tits, no ass, no hips, size 1 or 0 (size 2 was pushing it) - was all the rage. And in the schools that I went to, all the cheerleaders and popular kids fit into that size group. And then there was Me - I developed 38 C chest by the time I was 14, was cursed with what my mom and I laughingly called "breeder's hips", and very much had the sort of Woman's figure that gals NOW often starve themselves or get liposuction to attain. A very comfortable - and chesty - size 7 with curves in all the "right" places. And as a size 7, I was getting called things like Hippo Hips and Thunder Thighs by the vast majority of my highschool peers - simply because I was a 7 rather than a 1. What did it get me? Issues with food, and a lot of guys who went to highschool with me admitting to me at our 20yr reunion that I was what they considered a "hayloft girl". (Ie - someone they'd do in the hayloft, or back seat, but never acknowledge Publically that they even knew, much less had gone out with even once, because they didn't want their buddies cracking jokes about them liking "fat chicks") I didn't start seriously packing on pounds until after my second child was born. Granted, I never got back down to my pre-baby weight after the birth of my oldest - but I still wasn't Obese by any stretch - I was simply a size 12 rather than a size 7. Ultimately though, I've had a sort of "revenge" on the twiggy thin girls from highschool who made my teens utterly miserable. By the time of our 10 yr reunion, the vast majority were as large as I was (quite a change for them to go from a size 1 to a size 12, as opposed to very little change for me) with half a dozen kids in tow and divorced because their highschool sweetheart had ditched them to cat around with his much younger secretary. 25yr reunion is coming up shortly, and I'm actually looking forward to it. By then the speciallist that I'm seeing and I should have gotten my weight back down to at or near where it was in highschool. So I'll go to the reunion looking like I did then, with a business of my own, a home of my own that's paid for, and the ability to sit back and silently gloat over their various downfalls. (Yeah, I know - it's probably petty - but I still intend to do some silent gloating!)

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 2:04:43 AM

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I am honestly curious about this, why do people need gastric bypass surgury (surgery) an (and) all those others ("those others"?) to loose (lose) weight. (interrogative - a question mark is needed) What's wrong with eating right ("correctly" please - "right" is not an adverb) and exorcising (exercising)? You know these people can loose (lose) weight because, (redundant comma) some of them had to loose (lose) over 100 pounds or something (or something???) to be considered for the procedure, so why is GP even nessisary (necessary). (interrogative - a question mark is needed)

Now I know, there's some people ("there is some people"?) for whom eating right ("correctly" - "right" is still not an adverb) and exorcising (exercising) isn't enough alone ("alone" is redundant), and maybe for them I'd understand (why not "I'd understand them"?), but if you can loose (lose) weight, and have prooved (proved) you can, by controlling what you eat, why not just continue doing that. (interrogative - a question mark is needed)

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But when you have a signature which says: "I have a hard time taking any correspondence seriously that has one or two letters of every three letter word missing. ...I wonder if the writer's approach toward their sex life is as badly abbreviated" then sheesh - you look a complete asshole; and you tempt pedantic gits like me to come out and have a go - get it right please or change your signature. ("right" here refers not to the verb "get" but to "it" which, being a pronoun, takes an adjective. Thus "get it correctly" would jar with most practitioners).

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 3:20:23 AM

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...what she didn't expect was to be have one of the life-threatening complications...she had what is termed a "bleed", while still in the hospital, and nearly died. she credits the quality of the facility she was in for saving her life.

bottom line, a surgery is a surgery is a surgery...

Actually, this is a particularly high risk surgery. Don't know about today, but perhaps four or five years ago the death toll from GB was 1 in 200, per a friend who does these operations. He indicated that the number of serious complications was much higher than that. However, the very significant risks of the operation are washed away by the resulting drop in obesity related death rates.

So I looked up a synopsis of a 2006 study that defined GB risk factors. Overall, 1 in every 70 patients died. The greatest risk factor was higher weight (BMI). Depending on several criteria, mortality ranged from 1 in 300 for lower risk patients to 1 in 14 (wow!!!) for higher risk patients. Getting patients to lose a significant amount of weight before surgery appears to improve survival.

While recognizing all of the difficulties associated with weight loss mentioned in this thread, and while noting that the above numbers are doubtless much improved today due to better technique, I would still have to say this is one scary surgery and should be considered with care.

<And yes, that whole correctly vs. right thing? I am sometimes way too lazy to get it right!>

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 5:46:09 AM

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u can tell me all the theories u want.. how whatever diet worked so well for so and so.. but untill u can prove to whoever that their not fat and ugly and stupid.. i (and many other ppl) will believe that we r in fact fat, ugly stupid and unwanted.

u can prove? Oh come now...you are dumping one hell of a responsibility onto someone else, don't you think? It is no ones job to prove your value....that task is one that you yourself must tackle. I strongly suggest you seek therapy.

Self improvement takes a great deal of work and sometimes involves dealing with painful emotional issues. But, dear one, allowing others to dictate who/what you are until someone else can prove otherwise is a cop-out. Sounds like you are hiding behind their words. What are you afraid of?

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 6:01:00 AM

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u can tell me all the theories u want.. how whatever diet worked so well for so and so.. but untill u can prove to whoever that their not fat and ugly and stupid.. i (and many other ppl) will believe that we r in fact fat, ugly stupid and unwanted.

H >:)

Honestly, if you believe that about yourself, you really should seek some type of counseling.

I might be "old, short, and fat" (45, 5' 1", 238 lbs.), but I am GRACEFULLY AGED, BEAUTIFUL, INTELLIGENT, SEXY AND DESIRABLE. And anyone that doesn't agree with me on that fact has no place in my life. I'm secure with myself, and do not need the validation of others whether or not I belong in society.

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 6:36:20 AM

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I wants ya, Peaches..... yer my friend and I think you're beautful and intelligent!

Ok, end hijack!

Back on topic, even though I told myself I was going to stay out of here, Hanable, as long as you believe about yourself that you are fat, ugly, stupid and unwanted, that's how other people are going to see you. The one thing I've learned in this life, often the hard way, is that people see us the way we see ourselves. See the good in yourself and others will see it. See the bad and so will others. I'm one of those who grew up being told she was fat, ugly and stupid. I believed it. Hey, Rhi, did we go to the same school? I was a size 8 or 10 and was one of those "fat chicks" that never had a date and believed I was hugely overweight. I can look back and wonder who were the people that were messed up? I have body issues but I'm working on them. Self-control in eating is not one of them however. Never has been. Ask Lumus. I don't eat enough to keep a bird alive but I still have weight to lose. Eh, I think so, he doesn't. *shrugs*

GB surgery is dangerous but can help in the right circumstances. I don't think it's a simple shortcut that some people want it to be though. I've known people who had it and it changed their lives dramatically. You have to be willing to make changes. Without them, why take the risk?

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 6:37:06 AM

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I am GRACEFULLY AGED, BEAUTIFUL, INTELLIGENT, SEXY AND DESIRABLE. And anyone that doesn't agree with me on that fact has no place in my life. I'm secure with myself, and do not need the validation of others whether or not I belong in society.

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 6:39:16 AM

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 6:58:30 AM

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While recognizing all of the difficulties associated with weight loss mentioned in this thread, and while noting that the above numbers are doubtless much improved today due to better technique, I would still have to say this is one scary surgery and should be considered with care.

exactly, and while I was so very excited for her to try something that I knew was going to work for her, it never occured to me that she might die.

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 8:45:33 AM

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Hey, Rhi, did we go to the same school? I was a size 8 or 10 and was one of those "fat chicks" that never had a date and believed I was hugely overweight. I can look back and wonder who were the people that were messed up? I have body issues but I'm working on them. Self-control in eating is not one of them however. Never has been. Ask Lumus. I don't eat enough to keep a bird alive but I still have weight to lose. Eh, I think so, he doesn't. *shrugs*

Don't thing so - unless it's simply that a lot of us around our age apparently went to the "same" school lol. It's a generational thing with us - we grew up in an era that saw the birth of anorexia and bolimia - both of which I believe are the direct result of gals like you and I having to deal with the ones who got their jollies telling us we were "fat" when in fact we were far from it and probably significantly healthier than they were! I know that 1 or 2 of the ones from my school who were like that - ended up in therapy or the hospital, seriously ill, and with HUGELY distorted self images - because they Were some of the ones forcing themselves to throw up every time they ate, or simply refusing TO eat - at all - anything. Self control in eatting has never been a huge issue with me, either. My cola habit has been a huge issue, and the fact that I don't eat Enough has been an issue. But portion control and not gorging myself to the point of feeling stuffed to the gills and bloated - not an issue.

When I started seeing my specialist recently, we spent a couple of hours just talking about my relationship with food - what I typically eat, when, how much - prior to even doing the physical that was part of the process. (Which included things like a full blood panel workup and EKG along with BP, Heart rate, body density check via electrical impedence, and measurements.) I was asked to keep a food diary between the first appointment - when the talk and physical were done and blood drawn - and the second appointment, when I'd be given the results of the bloodwork and make a decision on which of their several programs I wanted and whether the doc agreed with my choice. When I went back, the doc looked at my food diary for the 2 days and was appalled at how LITTLE actual Food I took in. And then laughingly told me later that I should have no problem following the 500cal/day diet combined with a couple of specific hypothalmus regulating/resetting meds - I was barely taking in that amount anyway, other than my colas! And she's been right - it's been easy for me to continue eatting only that little amount - what's been more difficult, though also shown the Results, has been completely eliminating cola from my life. Drinking strictly water - no cola, no coffee (since I can't have cream or anything but Artificial sweetner in it) no tea (same reason) - instead of going through Massive amounts of soda, to the point frequently of more than a 3 liter a Day, I've consistantly been loosing about 6 lbs a week.

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GB surgery is dangerous but can help in the right circumstances. I don't think it's a simple shortcut that some people want it to be though. I've known people who had it and it changed their lives dramatically. You have to be willing to make changes. Without them, why take the risk?

The doc and I talked about the pros and cons of bariatric for me, as one of the options available - and both agreed that I wouldn't consider it a Viable option if the medication/diet combination worked. The risks are to high, for the most part. Between my straight BMI (which my specialist says is often misleading, and should Never be used as a Sole indicator of whether someone is truely obese - or unhealthy - or not) the electrical impedence testing we did, and my bloodwork (significantly raised cholesterol levels - which have changed in the past 2 years since I hit my 40s - when I had a cholesterol check done just prior to my 40th bday, it was still on the low end of the normal range, 2 years and a few body changes later it's so high it falls into what is considered a "dangerous" range!) - I am considered a candidate for bariatric surgical procedure. As long as the meds and diet continue to actually suceed, I see no reason to undergo being put under anesthesia and being cut open.

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 9:09:24 AM

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I'm sure someone's made this point... I didn't read it all.

Yes, people often lose weight without bypass surgery, but they don't often keep it off. People who are more than 100 pounds overweight (one of the general prerequisites for bypass or similar surgical procedures) tend to gain back weight very quickly and add even more.

People lose weight, the numbers show that (the whole calories in/calories burned) but they tend not to keep it off for long.

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 12:01:14 PM

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Pure pleasure, yup, my mom is always trying to tell me I should wear girdles so I'll appear to be skinnier, and black would make me look so slender, and I should do more with myself, and I'd be cuter if..........

And I always tell her, James thinks I am cute and sexy and I am all he wants, and he's the only opinion who counts, since I am dating him and not society as a whole.

I also tell her I am going to dress in ways that decieve people, I'm not slender, so I'm not going to wear apparatus's that make me appear to be so. If a man can't accept that I am chubby well to damned bad.

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I might be "old, short, and fat" (45, 5' 1", 238 lbs.), but I am GRACEFULLY AGED, BEAUTIFUL, INTELLIGENT, SEXY AND DESIRABLE. And anyone that doesn't agree with me on that fact has no place in my life. I'm secure with myself, and do not need the validation of others whether or not I belong in society.

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RE: what's up with gastric bypass surguries, can't peop... - 8/1/2008 12:06:05 PM

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I think when I have kids I'll never pull the clean your plate or there's starving kids in china shit. I'm not guilting someone into eating when they're full. I'd rather give someone a responcible serving size for their eating ability, perhaps even to little a plate, then if they want more they can ask for more, not give them a huge plate an then say eat it.

Also, they make saran wrap and tupperwear for a reason. It's called left overs, don't eat it now have it later lol.

On a funny note when grandma would tell my dad that they'd always say well they can have my plate!

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going along with something LadyHibicus mentioned.. we have been told for so long to clean our plates cuz there :starving children in china" or whereever that a lot of us cant stop if theres food left on our plates. while im not advocating wasting food i think thats the main reason i eat so much.. my mother told me for year and years and years that i needed to eat all the food on my plate cuz it was wasteful.. sure i took to much sometimes.. i was 10 at a buffett... what do u expect? its been hammered into our brains that if we leave food on our plates (even if were full) its wasteful.

any thoughts on this?

H >:)

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