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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 6:36:06 AM   
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And part of the slave mindset is i believe an inability to get out once they are in (the collar so to speak). I've had private mail from slaves who are in the most abusive of relationships (according to my judgement at least0. Why would they write to me and ask me if wha they are being required to do is acceptable or not/ it's almost like becoming a member of a cult and not knowing how to get out.


What is it about lifestyle slavery that makes them lose their ability for self-preservation and common sense? 



Insane levels of neediness.

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 6:40:30 AM   
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Insane levels of neediness.


And dominants/masters like that?  I think it would be a huge turnoff.


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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 6:44:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am going to take a wild guess and think that the tollerance level for neediness by be tempered by the dominants need for a blowjob.

I would have to ask Ron to be certain though....

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 6:47:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		But certainly there comes a point of diminishing returns where even a blow job isn't that badly needed.

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 6:47:21 AM   
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Insane levels of neediness.


And dominants/masters like that?  I think it would be a huge turnoff.



I personally dislike it-only means there are two slaves-one on each end of the same chain.

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 6:52:43 AM   
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But certainly there comes a point of diminishing returns where even a blow job isn't that badly needed.


One would think so. But, apparently there are some pretty tollerant dominants out there because there are alot of needy slaves/submissives that keep getting collared.

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 6:54:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think one of the reasons for quick collarings is because the dominant doesn't want to lose his toy.  He knws she may easily be swayed by others or soon understand his line of bs, so he collars in an effort to keep the sex.

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:03:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Katy, that is exactly my thought on it. No consideration of what their responsibility to the one wearing the collar, just a marking of ownership to keep others at bay. If the slave/sub is not going to hold the dominant/master/mistress accountable for that responsibility and just accept and assume, then neither one is taking it seriously.

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:08:29 AM   
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I am going to take a wild guess and think that the tollerance level for neediness by be tempered by the dominants need for a blowjob.

I would have to ask Ron to be certain though....


Every party I go to I have to make the same calculation...

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:12:28 AM   
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But certainly there comes a point of diminishing returns where even a blow job isn't that badly needed.

It's quite a shock to find neediness on the end of a cock.


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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:16:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno.......I keep seeing these threads pop up about how much hetro women love giving blowjobs. Myself, I just can't see it.

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:18:19 AM   
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But certainly there comes a point of diminishing returns where even a blow job isn't that badly needed.


I think you are making an incorrect assumption that the dominants are any more sane than those insanely needy submissives. I believe it is more likely that the codependent wackos find each other so those with insane needs for collars are compatible with those with insane needs for blowjobs.

Thankfully, my need for blowjobs is quite sane.


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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:19:02 AM   
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Does not a collar represent the same magnitude? Or could it ?



It could, and for many it certainly does. The point I want to make is that it is important for people to communicate what they want it to mean to THEM.

Let's make some examples, vanilla and M/s. .........

blimey somebody should give you a Hollywood scriptwriter's job. Too sad but too true...rareity makes any commodity priceless......


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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:19:57 AM   
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But certainly there comes a point of diminishing returns where even a blow job isn't that badly needed.

It's quite a shock to find neediness on the end of a cock.


 
  hey that rhymes
shock?   I'm not that worldly, granted.  I don't have enough personal data to be a good litmus ( litmus  lipmus? ) test... I've only had 5 (male)  sexual partners in my lifetime.   Yet, of those 5  ...4 of them fall under this "neediness at the end of a cock" theory..
no shock here....................shock more so that I found one that isn't.

wait.... maybe that says more about ME than it does about the guys..
hey, she can be taught
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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:29:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		neediness implies having a need thats "out of control" so to speak - or we would call it a need don't you think?  That's why i find neediness in a dominant so distasteful.  

There are many circumstance that can bring a person from having a need to neediness - temporary neediness - ie:  Dom/sub was cheated on, they want to trust again.  It's when you can't get past whats making you needy that's the real problem. You need to recognize it and work to move past it, not allowing yourself to get stuck. Stuck people end up as needy people.  They think others can pull them free from the mire. Until they realize only they can do that for themselves, they will forever be stuck and needy.  

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:33:31 AM   
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just a marking of ownership to keep others at bay.


Wouldn't it be easier to simply piss on her?   


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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:39:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Usually the sub ends up whining and begging for the "collar" thinking it means a commitment-and she won't get tossed out if she has one. Then thinks she has the Dom all sewn up-like a spider that has the bug wrapped for dinner.

Imagine her surpise when it doesnt mean the same thing to him that it did to her-and he was just using her own manipulation against her.

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:41:24 AM   
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just a marking of ownership to keep others at bay.


Wouldn't it be easier to simply piss on her?   



NOW we're talking!! I've had two cafe au laits and am working on a 32oz mug of water. I shall be ready momentarily.

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:43:55 AM   
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Usually the sub ends up whining and begging for the "collar" thinking it means a commitment-and she won't get tossed out if she has one. Then thinks she has the Dom all sewn up-like a spider that has the bug wrapped for dinner.

Imagine her surpise when it doesnt mean the same thing to him that it did to her-and he was just using her own manipulation against her.


If he does than he proves himself no better than her.  Wouldn't it make more sense to walk away?   Why would a dominant of any integrity take the lead from a submissive like that. 

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RE: in it for what they can get out of it and out of it... - 8/10/2008 7:47:36 AM   
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Usually the sub ends up whining and begging for the "collar" thinking it means a commitment-and she won't get tossed out if she has one. Then thinks she has the Dom all sewn up-like a spider that has the bug wrapped for dinner.

Imagine her surpise when it doesnt mean the same thing to him that it did to her-and he was just using her own manipulation against her.


If he does than he proves himself no better than her.  Wouldn't it make more sense to walk away?   Why would a dominant of any integrity take the lead from a submissive like that. 


Because neither has any. They simply expect the other to.

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