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slvemike4u -> RE: Russian responsoe to potential US missle sites in Poland (8/15/2008 3:51:19 PM)
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Hey Meatcleaver take a look at a map,geography dictated where any confrontation with Warsaw Pact forces would come not U.S.foriegn policy...Europe slept under a blanket of American security for 50 plus years and we shouldn't ask for a little gratitude...talk about chutzpah..would this be an example of typical European atitude!!!!!
Actually, it's not a typical European attitude at all. I've been fortunate enough to travel quite a bit in Europe over the past few years and found that in general, Europeans like Americans and are very grateful for our contribution in helping out in two world wars.
All of that though, will be lost on the likes of those like meatcleaver.
Oh, you could point out that the Soviets actually signed an agreement with the Nazis that allowed them to invade Eastern Europe, all before the United States was even in the war ... but points of view like that count for nothing, because meatcleaver has some secret documents, don't you know.
You could point out that after the war, the United States handed western Europe back to western Europeans, and helped pay to rebuild it, but of course because some American companies made a profit, that proves that it was all done for self-serving motives. See the afore mentioned secret documents.
You could even point out that the Soviets kept every bit of territory on which they had boots after the war, but again ... secret documents ... all our history is jaded ... they are the good guys, we are the bad guys, nothing more, nothing less.
So, try as you might, you will never get through ... but, please don't make the mistake of thinking that all Europeans are like that, because that isn't the case at all. Amazingly, I actually found a ton of Europeans that seemed to clearly understand that the United States is obviously a new super-power trying to find it's way, and like periods of European history where they represented the hyper-powerful, there are going to be mistakes made and some serious bumps in the road. They must have missed all those secret documents that tell the "real" story. [;)]
All that said, we have no business deploying missiles in Poland, or anywhere else not labelled "The United States of America." My guess is that if you took a poll, more Americans would be against this, than Poles are against it, and one of the few things I believe meatcleaver on, is his point that most Poles are not in favor of American missiles in Poland.
Keep trying though ... it's very entertaining. [;)]
Caitlyn,I do apologise for the generalization my point was directed at those who in this very thread have tried to blame everything on American Foriegn Policy painting it as overly aggressive.I will at times,depending on the circumstance,agree with the opinion that American can and does act heavy-handed in pushing thier policy's,by and large they are much more benign than anything coming out of the former Soviet Union.
Denying America's role in keeping the peace in western Europe the last 60 plus years is revisionist history at it's best and can not be defended...not without suspending logic and common sense anyway...
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