meatcleaver
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
Oh, you could point out that the Soviets actually signed an agreement with the Nazis that allowed them to invade Eastern Europe, all before the United States was even in the war ... but points of view like that count for nothing, because meatcleaver has some secret documents, don't you know.
Ah ah, we are funny aren't we. When you put words into someone's mouth, it shows you are on shaky ground. Why bother with what someone actually said when you can say they said anything.
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
You could point out that after the war, the United States handed western Europe back to western Europeans, and helped pay to rebuild it, but of course because some American companies made a profit, that proves that it was all done for self-serving motives. See the afore mentioned secret documents.
You were an occupying power of Germany, not western Europe so you couldn't keep it and one of the reasons for the Marshall plan was to keep Europe in American sphere of influence rather than have it go socialists (not communist), the socialists being very strong on continental Europe.
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
You could even point out that the Soviets kept every bit of territory on which they had boots after the war, but again ... secret documents ... all our history is jaded ... they are the good guys, we are the bad guys, nothing more, nothing less.
The Russian occupation was unwelcome but if you look at Russia's history you can understand why they wanted a buffer zone between themselves and western Europe. They have had three devastating invasions from western Europe in the last two hundred years. As you have often pointed out to me, you are the historian. Use your knowledge.
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
So, try as you might, you will never get through ... but, please don't make the mistake of thinking that all Europeans are like that, because that isn't the case at all. Amazingly, I actually found a ton of Europeans that seemed to clearly understand that the United States is obviously a new super-power trying to find it's way, and like periods of European history where they represented the hyper-powerful, there are going to be mistakes made and some serious bumps in the road. They must have missed all those secret documents that tell the "real" story. 
Mistakes? Hah ha ha Like all superpowers, America's mistakes were deliberate policies. Vietnam was a deliberate policy, Iraq was a deliberate policy, starting a new cold war is a deliberate policy!
Millions of people killed for a few minor mistakes? Do me a favour.
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
All that said, we have no business deploying missiles in Poland, or anywhere else not labelled "The United States of America." My guess is that if you took a poll, more Americans would be against this, than Poles are against it, and one of the few things I believe meatcleaver on, is his point that most Poles are not in favor of American missiles in Poland.
No one is in favour of American missiles in Poland. The Germans apparently are furious with Poland for destablizing east Europe by agreeing to the missiles.
< Message edited by meatcleaver -- 8/16/2008 3:54:51 AM >
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