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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Well, I did say "helping out" and I meant it ... but will also say that your eleventh hour comment isn't worthy of anyone that knows anything about events as related to the Second World War.
 
The United Kingdom and Soviet Russia stood off the Germans, all glory and credit to them both. It was one of the bravest acts in the history of the world, far greater than any single act ever done by my homeland. That said, neither one had the ability to project power on a scale great enough to defeat Germany before they developed some pretty terrifying weapons.
 
It was a team effort, no more and no less. If you can't, or are unwilling to, give America it's own share of credit, then give credit to the U.S. Army Air Corps 8th Airforce, without which you homeland would have been eating some pretty nasty stuff, right about 1946, 47.

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

You don't fight terrorists or rogue governments with a missile shield. Iran did some missile tests recently what exactly was their range? Easier to sneak a bomb in on a shipping container I fear I'm repeating myself.

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 As for WW2 it has little relevance to the current situation and none of us won WW2 because we weren’t there so it’s a kind of a ridiculous pride of victory display that ultimately leads to the them and us situation.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Hey Meatcleaver take a look at a map,geography dictated where any confrontation with Warsaw Pact forces would come not U.S.foriegn policy...Europe slept under a blanket of American security for 50 plus years and we shouldn't ask for a little gratitude...talk about chutzpah..would this be an example of  typical European atitude!!!!!

Actually, it's not a typical European attitude at all. I've been fortunate enough to travel quite a bit in Europe over the past few years and found that in general, Europeans like Americans and are very grateful for our contribution in helping out in two world wars.
 
All of that though, will be lost on the likes of those like meatcleaver.
 
Oh, you could point out that the Soviets actually signed an agreement with the Nazis that allowed them to invade Eastern Europe, all before the United States was even in the war ... but points of view like that count for nothing, because meatcleaver has some secret documents, don't you know.
 
You could point out that after the war, the United States handed western Europe back to western Europeans, and helped pay to rebuild it, but of course because some American companies made a profit, that proves that it was all done for self-serving motives. See the afore mentioned secret documents.
 
You could even point out that the Soviets kept every bit of territory on which they had boots after the war, but again ... secret documents ... all our history is jaded ... they are the good guys, we are the bad guys, nothing more, nothing less.
 
So, try as you might, you will never get through ... but, please don't make the mistake of thinking that all Europeans are like that, because that isn't the case at all. Amazingly, I actually found a ton of Europeans that seemed to clearly understand that the United States is obviously a new super-power trying to find it's way, and like periods of European history where they represented the hyper-powerful, there are going to be mistakes made and some serious bumps in the road. They must have missed all those secret documents that tell the "real" story.
 
All that said, we have no business deploying missiles in Poland, or anywhere else not labelled "The United States of America." My guess is that if you took a poll, more Americans would be against this, than Poles are against it, and one of the few things I believe meatcleaver on, is his point that most Poles are not in favor of American missiles in Poland.
 
Keep trying though ... it's very entertaining.

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ORIGINAL: philosophy
......i'm not sure how comments like 'big macs' mitigates against such logic either......

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

I don't know many Europeans that think about WWII when there are more pressing concerns in the world.

I did a survey the other week of Europeans and 98% think pearl harbour was the trigger event for the US entering the war to fight the Japanese, the fact Japan is no where near Europe just demonstrates how bad at geography the average US leader is

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I also dont think its sill for people to have hated the Germans for starting it either, despite the fact the settlements after WW1 contributed to WW2

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Well, I think our foreign policy has been far too aggressive as of late, but also feel that those tend to be the sorts of things you discover after the fact.
 
I'm relatively confident that had the average American known that we were electing leaders that were going to manufacture evidence in order to start a war with a nation that was not a threat to our national security, we would have elected that other guy ... but, we, a) didn't know that at the time, b) have no assurance that the other guy wouldn't have done the exact same thing.
 
Shit just happens in the world. When you are the nation that does most of the eating, you probably also sling the most shit.

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I'm relatively confident that had the average American known that we were electing leaders that were going to manufacture evidence in order to start a war with a nation that was not a threat to our national security, we would have elected that other guy

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you homeland would have been eating some pretty nasty stuff, right about 1946, 47.

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Time for some new finest hours.

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you homeland would have been eating some pretty nasty stuff, right about 1946, 47.

Which homeland? My maternal grandparents' house was annihilated in the blitz; as for the other side, it's a miracle they escaped the Holocaust. This is where we part ways: one's country of birth is accidental - and I am loyal to individuals, not to nations (remember, I have two). Forgive my cynicism, and I shall respect your patriotic feelings :-) .

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
And again I am left wondering WTF....America is far from perfect,can't help but wonder which of the many possible actions taken by this nation has got your panties in a twist....please enlighten me as to what the "beef" is...