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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 1:37:52 PM

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This is why I look at plans and directions.

Owner,
Okay - I'll ask; what is the "plan and direction" from Senator Obama? From the convention in general and his speech in particular I garnered this; if you've succeeded I'm going to tax you more and put more barriers upon any business you own. If you've failed, elect me and I'll make sure that the government takes care of you.

Convert me.

Why not convert yourself? This information is easily available right here online. Look up his platform, look up his campaign's position papers. Jesus!! How do you sit here and argue things you seem to admit not knowing anything about?

Reading impaired? I drew a conclusion from the speech from Olympus and the Convention, did you watch either. I came to the conclusion sighted. I asked Owner, or you for that matter, to point out the errors. Obviously you can't do so.

However, in the meantime...

I'm not an alleged god - no need to call me "Jesus!"

Ask me a specific question, not random talking points. "Obama will tax us more, Obama will hurt business, Obama wants to make us socialists". How can I point out errors when you do exactly what you claim Obama does, talk in generalities without offering any specifics of why? If you base your decisions only on brief speeches without any further research it's no wonder you don't know his "plan and direction".

I do have to admit your last lines were funny though.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 1:47:53 PM

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Well damn! If all it takes is executive experience maybe I should hop on in.

I don't know shit about foreign policy, I have zero tollerance for bullshit, I think 99% of the politicians in office are corrupt, narcissistic asses that should be lined up and shot, I think our military is grossly overfunded and horribly managed by utter idiots, including and specifically, by our current commander in chief, but GOD DAMMIT I'VE GOT EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE UP THE ASS!!!!!!!!!

LeeAnn for El Presidente!! Margaritas and chili relenos for all!

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Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 1:50:17 PM

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McCain was a Naval Officer for 20 years. He commanded one squadron to its first-ever unit citation. He's not wanting for executive experience.

Captain isn't an executive rank. Being imporant in the Navy does not make you an executive. I don't expect to hear any Republican brass to be throwing around her "executive experience" since it would be counter-productive to the McCain cause.

Sophia, a Captain in the Navy is an O-6 , the same as a Colonal in the Marines.
And Captains command Air Craft Carriers with 5,500 Sailors and Marines on board, the same amount of people in that Alaskan town that Palin was the Mayor of.
Captains and Colonals make "life and death" decisions.
Plus approve dept. budgets, do personel changes, review and approve training excercises, meet with other officers from other ships, and know tactics and strategy.
Senators vote on legislation.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 1:52:06 PM

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I'll vote for ya, but ya gotta promise me a job.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 1:53:13 PM

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I'll vote for you! (Nipples got hard just thinking about it.)

You may want to uh, "assess" this sentence though: I'VE GOT EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE UP THE ASS!!!!!!!!!

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 1:53:50 PM

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Oh lord, this country would never survive it.

I don't have the tact necessary to avoid bluntly calling a spade a spade.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 1:54:49 PM

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Well damn! If all it takes is executive experience maybe I should hop on in.

Well damn, maybe you should.

Seriously.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 1:55:33 PM

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I'll vote for you! (Nipples got hard just thinking about it.)

You may want to uh, "assess" this sentence though: I'VE GOT EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE UP THE ASS!!!!!!!!!

Aww man, that was one of my favorite parts.......

Edited to add, just imagine the t-shirt designs we could come up with.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:15:21 PM

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Sophia, a Captain in the Navy is an O-6 , the same as a Colonal in the Marines.
And Captains command Air Craft Carriers with 5,500 Sailors and Marines on board, the same amount of people in that Alaskan town that Palin was the Mayor of.
Captains and Colonals make "life and death" decisions.
Plus approve dept. budgets, do personel changes, review and approve training excercises, meet with other officers from other ships, and know tactics and strategy.
Senators vote on legislation.

Being a big deal isn't what defines an executive position. A general or an admiral is an executive in the armed forces. This is the same logic used by those who think McCain's time spent as POW somehow make him more capable of leading the country. You can't just throw out "But he did important stuff in the Navy" when it doesn't actually have anything to do with the issue at hand. The guy has no executive experience, and if he does we're just stretching the definition of the word, in which case I guess since Obama was the president of the Harvard Law Review, he's had plenty of executive experience too, you know, "making decisions" and everything.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:23:46 PM

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How can I point out errors when you do exactly what you claim Obama does, talk in generalities without offering any specifics of why? If you base your decisions only on brief speeches without any further research it's no wonder you don't know his "plan and direction".

Fair enough...

I'll ask you to respond to any of the the social points raised by the Senator during last nights speech. I listened to it. Feel free to respond in general or in the specific.

The Senator pointed out the fact that more Americans were working for less, had homes in foreclosure, see their homes losing value, had difficulty affording college, and couldn't afford to put gas in their cars. Jobs they go to and work voluntarily, homes they bought voluntarily, education that is not guaranteed by the Constitution or any amendment to it, cars that are bought and used as a end decision process. Senator Obama said that all these problems continue because the government didn't and doesn't "respond". What I waited for was exactly HOW the Senator would respond in the event he became President. Did anyone hear any further commentary that could be interpreted as an answer?

Will you expect and demand answers before you cast your vote? Are you ready to blinding go forth with someone who can point out the obvious but is unwilling to assign any blame to the perpetrators, the people who made those decisions regarding residence, job, mode of transportation? Although it wasn't the Senator, someone else at the convention went beyond these adult made decisions and furthered the case of excusing failure by saying that people shouldn't have to, or be expected to relocate in order to get a "good job". Alluding to the requirement that businesses should bring whatever job or responsibility to the place where people live, and not where the work is. I tried to imagine the construction boom that was occurring in Vegas being outsourced to Detroit; but don't think that manufactured housing was what Steve Wynn has in mind for his next casino.

Since so far, not one Senator Obama supporter has been able, or wanted to, get to the specifics either to the cuts he mentioned quickly yesterday or the taxes he is advocating. Lets just get into the specifics from his address.

Forget for a minute about how the Senator will fund his proposals. Let's give him an open checkbook. What is the reality of an Obama administration? Will your choice of housing be government determined? Will everyone be a government employee working out of your government subsidized home? Will you be driving in a government provided personal vehicle, or be allowed to have a personal vehicle? Will you have a say in what education and what level you child can achieve or will your progeny be enrolled in a blanket education program brought to you by the same government bureaucracy which brought you "No child left behind"?

I listened - that is what I heard. How about you?

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I do have to admit your last lines were funny though.

Oh hell, if you don't keep a sense of humor during this choice process for November you'll liable to make yourself crazy! Thanks for taking it in the spirit intended!

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:26:48 PM

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Fifteen Senators of forty-three Presidents. That's 34%, slighly more than a handful. Those fifteen inlude Andrew Jackson, Harry Truman, and JFK, three Presidents who are generally considered among the top ten by most historians.

Ahhh... Lies, damn lies and statictics...

You are leaving out that only TWO men were elected directly FROM the Senate.

They were Hardin and Kennedy.correct,. The rest were sitting President who assumed office, sitting vice-Presidents elected (and only three of those) and Govorners, Generals a diplomat and two privare Citizens prior to election.

The dude was correct, Senators historically do not win Presidential Elections.

Governors and Generals that win wars do.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:29:02 PM

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Although Alaska is a lovely state....THERE ISN"T ANYONE IN IT!....

About as many people as in Deleware.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:35:15 PM

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Being a big deal isn't what defines an executive position. A general or an admiral is an executive in the armed forces. This is the same logic used by those who think McCain's time spent as POW somehow make him more capable of leading the country. You can't just throw out "But he did important stuff in the Navy" when it doesn't actually have anything to do with the issue at hand. The guy has no executive experience, and if he does we're just stretching the definition of the word, in which case I guess since Obama was the president of the Harvard Law Review, he's had plenty of executive experience too, you know, "making decisions" and everything.

Not quite...

Navy/Costie Captians and Army/Marine/AF Colonels who command are considered executives. In fact so is their second in command who are called, executive officers XO or first officers.

Palin has more exceutive experience than the who lot, Biden, Obama and McCain having been a Mayor and a Governor.

BTW... I hate the fact we have a choice between two Senators.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:36:50 PM

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Fifteen Senators of forty-three Presidents. That's 34%, slighly more than a handful. Those fifteen inlude Andrew Jackson, Harry Truman, and JFK, three Presidents who are generally considered among the top ten by most historians.

Or, 66% of 43 Presidents were NOT Senators, including 70% of the Presidents who are generally considered among the top ten by most historians.

You also forgot to add that Jackson, Truman, and JFK all served with distnction in the military, showing poise and leadership under fire.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:38:47 PM

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Well, they say that she's pretty . She must be okay then.

... and she's a Hockey mom.. a member of the PTA and looks like Tina Fay. Wow.. the last despirate death roll mof the Republican party.. (I LOVE it) Good choice old man. I've never seen a man put the last nail in his own coffin before.

and so quickly, too.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:39:25 PM

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Delaware's population is 843,524 Alaska 663,661....and who was President Hardin if we are discussing specifics?
and 15 presidents were senators at one time. They were: James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Benjamin Harrison, Warren G. Harding, Harry S. Truman, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:43:42 PM

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How many of those 15 senators were officers in the military?

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:44:15 PM

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Higher than that Celt... Only two were elected when the were Senators as noted earlier.

Jackson was a General Officer.

Truman served with honor and distinction.

Kennedy, who past out drunk when his PT boat was sliced in half by a Japanese destroyer (BTW,,,sent to the PT boats to get him out of Washington because he was a Naval Officer sleeping with a German Spy) did not serve with honor, though I will say his actions AFTER he lost his ship were admirable

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:50:49 PM

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and 15 presidents were senators at one time. They were: James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Benjamin Harrison, Warren G. Harding, Harry S. Truman, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.

At one time... ONE time, In most cases they served in the US Senate ond were out of that house YEARS before being elected President. In the case of Nixon, Adams and Monroe, close to two decades!

Only TWO sitting Senators were elected directly to the Presidency for good reason.

The American People historically do not elect SITTING Senators as President.

What part of that can't you see?

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RE: President Palin? - 8/29/2008 2:58:25 PM

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lol........Oh My....until you said the part about JFK past(should be passed if it were true) out drunk etc. you had credibility....not that you should care about that but at least use facts. But then again you are the man who single handedly elected President Hardin....
You are correct about sitting Senators but, in time everything changes, and there were no really electable Governors this year.

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