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RE: Religion - 8/13/2004 7:41:52 PM   
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we're all humans and have a basic love for one another.


Douglas Adams put it so eloquently.

"2000 years after a man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would
be if people were nice to each other for a change,..."

Yes, we are all humans, and while we may all "love" each other in a vague and unspecified sense, I personally think that Sartre put it so succinctly in his book No Exit.

Hell is other people.

At least in the sense that if you put a group of people together, they may get along with each other for a time, but then their mutual incompatibilities will tear the group apart or alter the purpose for the groups existence away from it's principles to focus on survival of the group.

Add to that my general view that an organized group begins to take on the characteristics of a living organism; it seeks out things to sustain itself, it is frightened of things which threaten it and will lash out in anger at these things, and will sacrifice any of the principles it was originally created with in order to perpetuate it's own survival.

Take Catholicism in the middle ages. It took over land and collected money at a furious rate, and then threw any starving peasants in prison or executed any they caught hunting for food on their lands to feed their family. Then they would give sermons about turning the other cheek and doing good things for the poor and downtrodden.

This is not a bash at Christianity, mind you, simply expressing my general distrust of groups in general.

JM, CBW, BTYG

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RE: Religion - 8/13/2004 8:50:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: knees2you

God is not giving all this Pain and Suffering.
Man is~!!! God wanted us to be peacful and happy, and we have
done everything against that to screw it up~~

At the end we will be judged it says so in the Bible which I say is the most read book in the World~~

We can believe or not, but when it is all over Will know why we should have listened~~

"In the Beginning of the Bible it states God Word is law and can never be Broken"

Sincerely, Anthony~


Anthony,

You may be correct, however, even if one does believe that the Bible is the *inspired* word of God, one must consider that which is in the Bible was written by humans - men to be exact (no gender attack intended) and those men had a very specific purpose when writing - namely the solidification of a power base and control of the society they ruled.

The First Council of Niecea (sp) held by the Emperor Constantine voted to decide not only what would be in the New Testament, but voted to decide the divinity of Jesus Christ. If you read your history, you will know that Constantine had both a personal and political agenda to pursue and was successful - to this day, we celebrate religious holidays on days he chose and read the New Testament he selected.

Throughout the ages, the Church (read Holy Roman Catholic) has used religion and the teaching of Jesus to its own end to control the populace of Western and, later, Eastern societies. The horrors and atrocities committed in the name of God (by whatever name) were and continue to be the choices of mankind. The most common form of the Bible - The King James Version - was written in the 17th century during a time of religious/political upheaval - do you not think there was an agenda to be served in the writing? Protestant religions may have broken from Rome, but continued to use religion to serve a temporal and secular agenda - again, namely power and control.

If one wishes to use the Bible to make a point, it would do well to remember that *God* also says, Isaiah 55:8-9 "My thoughts are not your thoughts, and my ways are not your ways," declares the LORD. "Just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways, and my thoughts are higher than your thoughts." To believe that we can understand the will and mind of God or any other Divinity/Supreme Being seems arrogant in the extreme. For me, understanding the mind of God is not necessary and an attempt to do so would be an exercise in both futility and frustration.

As a species, regardless of your faith, religious affliation, or lack thereof, humans do have free will - the absolute power to choose our actions. To complain of the consequences after the fact is neither an act of reason nor is it one of personal responsibility. To blame the consequences of our choices on the "Higher Power" continues the act of personal irresponsibility.

For my purposes, to leave my miniscule portion of the world a better place by living a responsible and joyful life and teaching said same to my children... that is enough, well, that new books to read.

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RE: Religion - 8/14/2004 5:51:37 PM   
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Yes New Flowers, I believe alot of what Your saying.
But If the Bible was Wrong God Himself would have sent a Messanger to Earth and told Us that the Bible was written Wrong??
He has not done that so I believe that what is Written is His Word 100%
Even Scientists have disputed a Creator and they cannot. As much as I hurt saying this, "I've danced with the Devil on a pale moon~lite"
I would rather serve a Gracious God then a Dark lord.
I have had to many "Miracles" because of prayers answerd.

Do You believe that We are here for a reason??

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RE: Religion - 8/14/2004 6:18:54 PM   
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Also i was A Catholic for 18 years and they put more Emphasis
on the Virgin Mary then Jesus, and He is the Son Of God~~

Sincerely, Anthony

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RE: Religion - 8/14/2004 7:32:24 PM   
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The First Council of Niecea (sp) held by the Emperor Constantine voted to decide not only what would be in the New Testament, but voted to decide the divinity of Jesus Christ. If you read your history, you will know that Constantine had both a personal and political agenda to pursue and was successful - to this day, we celebrate religious holidays on days he chose and read the New Testament he selected.


Hello,

Rather interesting to me that most Christian holidays actually occur on or about the same times as the pagan festivals in Europe, i.e. the solstices and the equinoxes.

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RE: Religion - 8/14/2004 7:47:20 PM   
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Rather interesting to me that most Christian holidays actually occur on or about the same times as the pagan festivals in Europe, i.e. the solstices and the equinoxes.


They also built their churches over pagan worship sites. I have a book (loaned out at the moment) that actually lists the sites and the names of the churches, etc. Someone else on the boards may have that information, or know of a site where it can be found.

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RE: Religion - 8/14/2004 9:57:38 PM   
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eyesofaslave,

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But If the Bible was Wrong God Himself would have sent a Messanger to Earth and told Us that the Bible was written Wrong??
He has not done that


It seems to me that the last time God sent a messenger, He was killed. How do you know God has NOT sent another? Again, to presume that one can say with certainty what God will or will not do - refer to my quote from Isaish.

We live in a world that stresses conformity - any messengers would, by necessity, go against the status quo. And what do we do to people who stand out like that? How receptive do you think we, as a race of humans, would be to such a message? Do you think we would be receptive to either the message or the messenger? Can you imagine the response should one come along and tell the world at large and christians in particular that the Bible they read has been corrupted in the writing? Not a pretty picture, I'd say. In my experience, most "christians" are very intolerant of... well, intolerant of damn near everything that is not as they think it should be including each other.

Throughout history, there has been more than one who has come along to say that men have moved away from God, from His word and purpose. Largely, they have been ignored or ridiculed by the community they have come to save. Do you think this messenger is going to read a statement of CNN? Do you honestly think anyone would listen?

I am not questioning your belief in the power of prayer or God or anything else. I merely point out that some things are not as black and white as some of these posts indicate. Science does not have all of the answers, but neither does man and the religion he has created.

Do I believe that we are here for a purpose? Yes, I do. My purpose is not to understand the will of God. My purpose is to live a responsible and joyful life, to contribute to the benefit of society in a manner equal to the talents I possess so that world is a better place as a result of my existence.

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RE: Religion - 8/14/2004 10:15:25 PM   
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Rather interesting to me that most Christian holidays actually occur on or about the same times as the pagan festivals in Europe, i.e. the solstices and the equinoxes.
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The reason for that can be found in part of Constantine's agenda. As ruler, he needed peace within his realm and pagans and christians fighting and killing each other is not good for commerce nor does a ruler look good when he cannot control his people. Constantine himself was a pagan at that time and the primary pagan religion in that place and time worshiped the sun. Thus, we celebrate Sunday as our day of rest/worship. Prior to that time, the christians celebrated on the same sabbath as the jews. The holy days are the same or similar to those of the pagan religions for the same reason - everyone celebrating and worshiping at the same times means that no one stands out as different and there can be peace within the realm. Because the emperor was pagan, he selected pagan days for the christian holy days. Over time, the Church *eliminated* and drove underground as much of the pagan religion as possible during its assent to power, building its churches and cathedrals upon the pagan holy sites to send a specific message, but the celebratory days were not changed.

I will grant this is merely a simplistic and very basic explanation, but it covers the main points.

And I won't even start on what the Church did to women...

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RE: Religion - 8/15/2004 6:22:20 PM   
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How can you underestimate God? He is allmighty. While You may be corect about some of constantines intentions by mixing paganism with christianity you are underestimating God's ability to turn bad into good. He helped spread Christianity whether he was doing it for his own purpose or not. As long as God's will was done that is more important than constantines intentions.

This is more of a truth for the scripture you quoted in Isaiah 55:8-9. You see you may not have realized it but this helped countless people accept Jesus christ as their lord and saviour, which is the most important thing, and the sole purpose of being a christian.

Also while the bible may not be 100% acurate it is acurate enough to fulfill God's pupose especially with the help of the Holy spirit which also helps us in our everyday walk with God.

Plus, what you fail to realize is God is not limited by man's freewill, God has infinite ways in which to react to any situation, and this physical realm we live in is only an extention of the spirit world which is more of a reality than the physical, which couldn't exist without the spiritual.


Sincerely, Anthony~

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RE: Religion - 8/15/2004 11:01:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SentForu
And, if your beliefs aren't focused on a higher power, what do you think happens after we're gone?


I'm atheist - once I die, my consciousness ends, my body decays. There is nothing for "me" afterwards.

I believe in the love of my friends and family, I have faith in humanity - that we will eventually find a way to coexist. My moral philosophy is based somewhat on the Wiccan rede, (An it harm none, do what thou will.) It is also based on the idea that we should leave our neighbors and environment in better shape than when we arrived.

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RE: Religion - 8/15/2004 11:01:17 PM   
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My purpose is to live a responsible and joyful life, to contribute to the benefit of society in a manner equal to the talents I possess so that world is a better place as a result of my existence.


I am not sure I agree with this statement per se.

Your purpose may be to do what you do to the best of your ability so that 10000 years from now some descendant of a person you taught to do something may change society in some way none of us are capable of understanding.

I go back to my comment that despite "man being created in God's image" and all that malarky, I just dont think people are capable of truly understanding what "insert supreme being's name here" actually intends.

But I do agree with the sentiment that you should do the best you know how with what you have been given.

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RE: Religion - 8/15/2004 11:29:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Estring

I agree jill. My point is, what then is moral or immoral? If you have no standard, it will always be subjective. Then what is the point of being a moral person?


But doesn't religion create subjective morals too? It was perfectly "moral" for religious people to fly airplanes into buildings on 9/11. It is also "moral" for religious extremists of other varieties to kill witches, jail athiests, and deny rights to people based on sexual preference or ethnic background.

Lastly, WHICH religion has the correct set of moral standards? There are quite a few out there to pick from, and multiple sects too. Should I pick the religion that juggles poisonous snakes and denies medical care to their children in need?

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RE: Religion - 8/16/2004 8:53:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
I just dont think people are capable of truly understanding what "insert supreme being's name here" actually intends.


I agree that people are not capable of understanding the intentions and mind of God. I don't think that understanding is relevant or necessary to live a life of purpose. As I live in a way that I believe makes a positive contribution to society, I do not always get to see the end results - and that's okay too. I know that the nature of my job and the way I do it serves my purpose. It is enough to know that.

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RE: Religion - 8/16/2004 8:57:40 AM   
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Anthony.

I do not believe that God is dashing to and fro saving people from their own foolishness, poor decisions, malice, and evil.

I do not doubt the omnipotence of God. I do not believe that power is used as you imply.

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RE: Religion - 8/16/2004 5:33:50 PM   
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Sinergy etc~ here is a list of religions everybody on here should look at. If Your going to believe in the Un~natural then here is a list of religons You might like. Oh and You can find them on the Net~~

This is a look at some of the Cults presiding in the World today!

Islam~ The message of Muhammad. Allah can be traced to A.D. 570

{1} The sovereignty of Allah is paramount: He is the one, true God.
Mohammed is his chief prophet.
{2}Jesus was not the Son of God. He is reserved as a spiritual guide~

Christians know that Jesus died on the cross for our sins.

Scientology~ Started in 1950
{1} God or gods may exist, but the individual must decide for himself.
{2} Man is basically good and in his evolution, he will finally become a godlike being known as “homo novis.”
{3} Christ to them is just a legend that preexisted earth life on other
planets and was implanted into humans on earth. He was no greater then Moses or Buddha.

Christians know that Jesus rose from the dead.

The Baha’i Faith~ Dates back to the nineteenth century.
{1} The bible is only one of the many sacred texts in the world, but the final authority is the writings of Baha’u’llah.
{2} Jesus Christ was only one of the nine manifestations of the messiah:
He was born virgin, not God incarnate, and did not rise bodily from the grave.

The Christians all believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary
And that he was till the day he died a virgin~~

Buddhism~ Brought about somewhere between 490 and 410 B.C.
{1} Buddhism shows a heavy influence of Brahmanism, gods and goddesses
in Buddha’s history and teachings of Buddha although some other sect add to it.
{2} Buddhism shows a heavy influence of Brahmanism, gods, and goddesses in Buddha’s history and teachings; It’s description of a
universal cosmic conscious is that of a non personal essence, sometimes called the void.

Christians believe that there is on true God.


{Romans 8-28}And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

There is even one called Swedenborgenism~~

Sincerely, Anthony


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RE: Religion - 8/16/2004 6:21:25 PM   
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knees2you,

This is meant in no offence at all, so PLEASE don't take it in that context. Now, I don't corrently believe in any supernatural being period. However, I will not sit here and try to tear apart someone else's faith. Yes, I have my opinions, and have made them apparant here. What you have done, is went down a list of religions, trying to discredit each one. Comparing them to Christianity.

Now, assuming we all believe in one or the other. Who's to say which one is the "true belief"? Each comes from a different culture. Each has a large following. Each has it's good points and teaches decent behaviors. My point is, NONE of the above can be physically proven. So, you can't really rule out one in favor of another.

But of course, that's just me. As I said before, no offence intended.

Ya'll have a great night,

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RE: Religion - 8/16/2004 6:41:42 PM   
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"Cult" is such an inflammatory word, knees. It carries such a negative connotation that it is invariably used by people to disparage those religious groups that they do not subscribe to.

And while I'd agree with you in the use of that term in Scientology's case - I would think that there are many religious groups that do not deserve such a slight.

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RE: Religion - 8/16/2004 9:12:55 PM   
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Hello,

To clarify a few things on your post...

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Sinergy etc~ here is a list of religions everybody on here should look at. If Your going to believe in the Un~natural then here is a list of religons You might like. Oh and You can find them on the Net~~

This is a look at some of the Cults presiding in the World today!


The word cult is derogatory, inflammatory, and discriminates against the beliefs of other people.

Imagine how you would feel if people who worshipped "blah" referred to your beliefs as "just some cult."

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Islam~ The message of Muhammad. Allah can be traced to A.D. 570


Islam is divided into two main branches, the followers of Sunni Islam, who trace their lineage back to Muhammed., and follower of Shi'a Islam, who trace their lineage to a disciple of one of the early Mullahs of Sunni Islam who determined that that Sunni Muslims were not being devout enough.

Sunni Islam is by far the majority, predominantly in Asia, and various Middle East countries including Iraq, and tend to be rather peace-loving. Shiites tend to be found in Pakistan, India, Iran, Afghanistan, or dying of poison gas because they were rebellious scum under Hussein in Iraq, as well as Palestine, etc., and tend to take a more literal interpretation to the Pillar of Islam (there are 5) which states that a) to die in the service of Allah will bring one salvation and b) infidels must be converted. Some extrapolate this second one out to "or killed" which I dont recall is specifically indicated in the Koran, but those who are not converted dont have a very nice time being dead to look forward to. So I suppose a true fanatical follower of the Shi'a beliefs would believe those people deserve what is coming to them when they receive full-body ventilation with an AK-47.

The cool thing about fanatics is they often use their fanaticism to justify any action they do no matter how antithetical to their belief systems.

But I digress.

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{1} The sovereignty of Allah is paramount: He is the one, true God.
Mohammed is his chief prophet.
{2}Jesus was not the Son of God. He is reserved as a spiritual guide~


Yes and no, followers of Jesus's teachings are considered infidels if they do not worship Allah.

You know what some Muslims do to "infidels"...

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Christians know that Jesus died on the cross for our sins.


A curious aspect of Christianity and other Western beliefs is they tend to be based on Guilt. You are doomed to torment because of what you Did. Christianity use the guise of "Original Sin" for those who go "What I do?" when people call them a sinner.

I have read that one of the main reasons why many Christians are so opposed to abortion is that the fetus is terminated before baptism. If this were true, they would not really care that the child will be born with horrible brain damage, addicted to heroin and forced to live with a drug addict mother, or anything else. Its all about baptising that fetus.

If this were true, and they want the child baptised, but dont really give a good-god-damn what happens to it after it is born, I suspect this is why fanatical anti-abortionists dont tithe 2/3 of their income to orphanages to raise all the non-aborted children they end up saving in their fanatical anti-abortion cause.

And before you call me a baby killer, when I had the Birds/Bees conversation with my daughter I said I would support her choice, but that I really abhor waste and would prefer we worked something out where I would support her to raise her own child.

But I digress.

Well, I need to digress once more.

China and India have both achieved parity of population growth, and are actually declining. This is largely due to gender typing the fetus and aborting females. Apparently, as a culture they have not sat down and gone "Who will our son marry if everybody aborts daughters?"

I have not read anything about the Indian or Chinese homosexual male population, but imagine it is gaining in popularity.

Enough digression...

Asian religions tend to be founded more in terms of Shame. It is not What You Did, it is What You Are or Have Allowed Yourself to Devolve To Become.

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[Scientology~ Started in 1950
{1} God or gods may exist, but the individual must decide for himself.
{2} Man is basically good and in his evolution, he will finally become a godlike being known as “homo novis.”
{3} Christ to them is just a legend that preexisted earth life on other
planets and was implanted into humans on earth. He was no greater then Moses or Buddha.


Yes, and no.

L. Ron Hubbard claimed to follow Jesus' and Buddha's and various other teachings in the development of his works. When one studies his works, and the works he claims to follow (as I did in college) it becomes obvious that he was simply making statements to the ignorant masses to give himself credibility. He also insisted that he was the Prime Source for all that is relevant, yet he flagrantly plagiarized from works done in (study technology, etc) Australia, by various (most of his oddly named "training routines") followers, etc.

Well, might not have been him, since various things developed by Scientology after his death were attributed to him, but then he sold his name to the Church of Scientology circa 1978, so technically they were developed by him.

A curious sub-note of L. Ron Hubbard is that he gave a lecture to a group of writers in the late 1950s where he stated that for a writer to become richer than their wildest imaginings, the best approach was to form a religion. Hrmmm.

But I digress.

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Christians know that Jesus rose from the dead.

The Baha’i Faith~ Dates back to the nineteenth century.
{1} The bible is only one of the many sacred texts in the world, but the final authority is the writings of Baha’u’llah.
{2} Jesus Christ was only one of the nine manifestations of the messiah:
He was born virgin, not God incarnate, and did not rise bodily from the grave.

The Christians all believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary


He had to be born of somebody. Now a married woman living with her husband, who was still a virgin, in that particular time period is somewhat of an intellectual stretch, but I can work with it to help the conversation move along...

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And that he was till the day he died a virgin~~


Im trying to think of the historical scholar who claimed to prove that Jesus actually lived with Mary Magdelene (in sin) and the whole "Christ was a virgin" thing was disseminated by the Apostle Paul, a flagrant misogynist. I wish my stupid books were not in storage.

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Buddhism~ Brought about somewhere between 490 and 410 B.C.
{1} Buddhism shows a heavy influence of Brahmanism, gods and goddesses
in Buddha’s history and teachings of Buddha although some other sect add to it.
{2} Buddhism shows a heavy influence of Brahmanism, gods, and goddesses in Buddha’s history and teachings; It’s description of a
universal cosmic conscious is that of a non personal essence, sometimes called the void.


Dont forget that Buddha was originally a Hindu scholar, who broke away from the Hindu religion and developed a philosophy which centered around the individual's relationship with himself as a bridge to his creater, as opposed to the idolatry (use of objects to bridge the gap between self and creator) practiced by Hindus.

My personal favorite flavor of Buddhism is Nichiren Buddhism, which was developed by a dour Japanese Buddhist named (oddly enough) Nichiren. He postulated that all this being nice to people, helping the poor and downtrodden, etc., which Buddhists are frequently accused of being, was all a bunch of hoooiey.

Meditate on the words, which escape me at the moment (little help? it starts out Myo rengi or something like that), and one will find enlightenment.

Hey, he might have been right.

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Christians believe that there is on true God.

{Romans 8-28}And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

There is even one called Swedenborgenism~~


A lot of religions believe there is one true God.

Followers of Kali in the Phillipines would be the first to claim that they Know God(dess, in their case).

Then, of course, you have the followers of the Shinto religion, who believe that kami (spirit essences) can be found inhabiting things, and some are good, and some are bad, but they should all be worshipped.

There are a lot of bizarre (to me, and I am the first to say I could be wrong) sects out there like Sufiism, Mormonism, which claim connection to a basic belief system (Islam or Christianity) in this case, but when you study their beliefs this connection tends to be little more in name than anything else.

A curious point about your post to me is that you completely left out Judaism. A religion of conservative beliefs, who think Jesus was simply a nice guy but did not really play that pivotal a role in the development of consciousness.

You also completely left out the Wiccan communities, who tend to be decentralized, come in numerous flavors, who value nature and emotion and worship the Feminine aspect of the Divine as opposed to the Masculine. While Christianity historically has done much to wipe out followers of Wicca, I dont really recall many incidents where the reverse was true.

Unless you go back to the middle ages where religion could be secondary to attempting to wipe out an indigenous culture by invading hordes brandishing steel weapons. Personally, some cross-bearing horde comes to kill my family with swords of steel, I am probably going to fight back even if they do claim to be doing it for my salvation.

JM, CBW, BTYG,

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RE: Religion - 8/17/2004 7:19:58 AM   
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Sinergy, I hav e a book of cults and there where alot I did not mention~
"I have danced with the Devil on a pale Moon~light"

People have told me that they have been in there religon for a long
time, and God hasn't said to them that what they where doing,
or believing in was wrong, so How can there religon be Wrong, and
Mine be right??

I just tell them, that If the Bible says that Jesus is going to Come again, and it does say that. Then He's going to take His people.

If anybody does not Believe that the Devil even Exists, I could show them that he does. But then As a Christian, I know that and do not fear but one Person God~~

I watched a special on the History channel and they could not dispute that Jesus existed. They even have said that they have found the Ark.
We as people Can live the best life possible, but if it is not serving the Creator then it to me does not serve a purpose.

I hope we are shedding some light on the subject~~?

Sincerely, Anthony

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"It's funny how can see, Yet we are still blind~"

(in reply to Sinergy)
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RE: Religion - 8/17/2004 9:25:56 AM   
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Yikes... this is getting way off target...

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I just tell them, that If the Bible says that Jesus is going to Come again, and it does say that. Then He's going to take His people.


*just blinks*


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If anybody does not Believe that the Devil even Exists, I could show them that he does. But then As a Christian, I know that and do not fear but one Person God~~


personally... I do not fear God. I have placed my trust in Him. As a submissive woman...(talking to a submissive man)... I would think that maybe, observe it from a BDSM kinda view(seeing as we are here)... God is my Dominant... He is the Dominant 'Force' within my life... should I be here within this dynamic and serve Him because I fear Him? Or should I be pleasing Him with all I do?

If I was a christian just because of 'fear' then that would be an extremely unhealthy place to be(IMO).


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I watched a special on the History channel and they could not dispute that Jesus existed


I do not think that the fact that Jesus existed is disputed. Its well documented that Jesus lived.

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ORIGINAL: knees2you

I hav e a book of cults and there where alot I did not mention~



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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Hello,

To clarify a few things on your post...

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Sinergy etc~ here is a list of religions everybody on here should look at. If Your going to believe in the Un~natural then here is a list of religons You might like. Oh and You can find them on the Net~~

This is a look at some of the Cults presiding in the World today!


The word cult is derogatory, inflammatory, and discriminates against the beliefs of other people.



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ORINGINAL: compes

"Cult" is such an inflammatory word, knees. It carries such a negative connotation that it is invariably used by people to disparage those religious groups that they do not subscribe to.


The world cult is defined as a system of religious or spiritual beliefs, especially a transient belief system regarded by others as misguided or unorthodox or a group of people who share religious or spiritual beliefs: a person, philosophy, or activity regarded with extreme or excessive admiration.

Therefore... Christianity could be viewed as a cult


I believe in God. You could say that I 'know' that God exists. Does that give me a god-given right to condemn others beliefs?
No.

Does that mean that God answers my questions in the way I want them 100% of the time?
No.

Does this mean I am always right?
No.

God doesnt fold His Arms and occasionally lift up His Finger to shake a no-no, He doesn't sit mocking others thoughts, raising the proveribal eyebrow and talk in a self righteous tone.

He has no need, because God is righteous.

Man isnt. And until a man realises that it isnt his place to sit in righteous judgement over another mans belief and way of life, then he will fail His God - His Protector - His Lover - His Friend, even if that man believes Jesus died for our sins.


_____________________________


.dark.




...i surrender to gravity and the unknown...

(in reply to knees2you)
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