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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/28/2005 8:23:57 PM   
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Personally I read the entire profile....and from some comments in sub/slave profiles and journals I think I am a minority by doing that. Standards are fine, getting an idea what you are looking for before I mail you is of course one of the reasons I bother to read it. So standards are one thing and give me a basic idea of what you would like. But some of these people make a list longer then I can say in a few breaths with if you are such and such leave me the hell alone.

But I agree some of the stuff on here I have seen in profiles are hurdles and when I see them I just smile shake my head and move on to the next profile without bothering to mail them. I figure if she wants me to jump through hurdles just to mail her god knows what she will want to submit to me. Sometimes I ask myself though if maybe that stems from bad experience with "Im Dom you are sub get on your knees" in the first mailing type's emailing them.

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/28/2005 8:47:29 PM   
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When I first joined CM, I had (to put it mildly) a plethora of messages directing me to get on my knees and obey. I responded politely at first, but I was soon very tired of the way I was being treated by many of the people I met here. I can understand why some female submissives choose to be very specific about what they are looking for. They probably hope that people will actually read what they have written.
I realize that some of these ladies come across as rude and chances are that some of them are rude, but many may just be frustrated.


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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/28/2005 8:59:07 PM   
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some of us don't have hoops and such to have a potential to go through, and actually want honesty and know how to recongize it and what to do with it and appreciate it. for a dominant to act in some way which he feels he should (either from past experiences or whatever) isn't healthy for either person. truth eventually comes to light.

i hope that the majority aren't submissively changing for opportunities to meet. there are enough obstacles without all of that, but your reasoning certainly may explain the behaviour of some.

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/28/2005 9:03:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavejali

This topic had me thinking of the pussification of men thread too.

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However, when the dominant feels they must compromise their limits and desires...then I think you're getting into trouble.


So true.


Yeah, I was thinking of that thread, too. Especially in the sense that it (the hoopstering) only happens if one allows it to. I've been told by some subs that I seem 'intimidating'. Can you believe that? Maybe it's because my profile clearly states that I am seeking a slave and indicates that, with input from her, I will be making the decisions. I don't get a lot of responses to emails, but I do get some. I also get a fair amount of first contact emails from submissives.

So, to sum up: It's hard sometimes. Takes patience. It's worth it. Wish it were easier.

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 12:55:56 AM   
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Some of us don't put up with it. As far as the ones with the hoops that they want 'doms' to jump through, I just ignore them. I've talked to quite a few here and other places, and I tell them the same thing over and over again,"If you are in this lifestyle, then meet me at a munch or the local dungeon." Over ninety percent can't do that, because of one lame excuse or another such as their job is so high up there in the ranks that if they went to a munch they might lose it. I'd rather hear the truth, even if going to such scares them witless(which has got to be a short trip if they are using lame excuses) and aren't ready to get off the computer and actually see what everybody is talking about.

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 6:00:48 AM   
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My profile may not yet be visible since i just made changes to it, if not, look for it later today or tomorrow. My profile certainly sets out boundaries, necessary qualities, intolerable qualities, and other matters which my One will satisfy...or die trying, LMAO.

i am not about to settle for someone who can perform bedroom hyjinks and has nothing else to offer.

Seems to me part of what You object to is the notion that submissives and slaves are actively searching -- with a well-thought-out criteria for what sort of Man/relationship they want -- just as i hope Doms and Masters are doing.

i see no other way to form deep bonds. Why the way Other People Act bothers You so much is a mystery to me.

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 6:05:13 AM   
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IMO - These expectations from subs are not really a suprise. It really is a direct transferance from the vanilla fantasy of a "shining knight on a white horse" to a dark knight in black leather. There is no real difference between the fantasies. Either way it strikes me a supremely superficial and I wonder if they actually every find what they are looking for...

my $.02.

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So any submissive or slave with a standard for a potential Dom or Master whose collar they might accept is IYO mired in a fantasy? Maybe we should just assign Doms and Masters draft numbers and chose them by putting numbers in a hat and pulling them out one at a time?

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 6:10:36 AM   
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Personally I read the entire profile....and from some comments in sub/slave profiles and journals I think I am a minority by doing that. Standards are fine, getting an idea what you are looking for before I mail you is of course one of the reasons I bother to read it. So standards are one thing and give me a basic idea of what you would like. But some of these people make a list longer then I can say in a few breaths with if you are such and such leave me the hell alone.

But I agree some of the stuff on here I have seen in profiles are hurdles and when I see them I just smile shake my head and move on to the next profile without bothering to mail them. I figure if she wants me to jump through hurdles just to mail her god knows what she will want to submit to me. Sometimes I ask myself though if maybe that stems from bad experience with "Im Dom you are sub get on your knees" in the first mailing type's emailing them.

Wolf1020


You're right, Wolf. Part of the problem is the "ON YOUR KNEES" emails; but there's also the "liked yr pic" ones. How do i respond to that? Actually, i have been trying to help Men like that form an email that is a conversation-starter, but with very limited success and i am tired of running my own little tutorial.

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 7:19:24 AM   
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Why the way Other People Act bothers You so much is a mystery to me


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Sincerely,
"The Kettle"

Bothers ME? My/our search is OVER! I point out the obvious. The posted disappointments indicate accuracy. Both sides of the equation seem to have agreed.

Your looking for a submissive man, be honest about it and you may find him. Seeing the frustration of the subs, maybe this will enlighten them as to why they are frustrated. Your criteria eliminates the person you allegedly seek at the most basic and fundamental level. Yet, there are more than enough "foreployers" willing to meet the conditions to accomplish their objective. So your dance card gets filled with people who can't dance.

When we are approached by people who ask us how to proceed we tell them the first step is self assessment. Honest self assessment. We point out, just because a person enjoys being spanked or tied up they shouldn't seek a D/s relationship. It doesn't mean they are submissive, it doesn't mean that they are a slave. There is a difference between a desired sensation and a desired mental or emotional state. The first step is deciding which one is important. It takes a lot of honesty and usually it takes an understanding partner to make that determination.

During my search, it was a hell of a lot easier to find a person to share sensations. Many of my partners would never consider themselves submissive in ANY regard; yet they liked the games and "bedroom hijinks". There is something cathartic about the physical interaction. Whether you work in an office or on a construction site, working out frustrations is important. BDSM is a great outlet for "working things out". I think it's great and amazing that you can be on either side of the flogger and achieve the same beneficial result. Besides, bedroom hijinks are FUN! They should be part of everyone's life. Sex is FUN! But often it doesn't translate into a D/s relationship. And relationships are the focus subject.

If you're frustrated because your criteria hasn't generated the "dominant" man you seek, maybe appreciating that dominant people aren't interested in being subject to criteria will be helpful. Maybe you'll understand why you never get that follow up phone call or second meeting. If not - don't use it. I'm not saying that your criteria isn't valid, or that your relationship goals aren't valid. I'm saying that the answers are essays not true/false. Keep your criteria in your pocket and just get to know the person through first hand contact. Then when you are alone, review the list items and see how many were addressed by observed behavior. It's easy to lie through a yes/no question; much more difficult to do by observable behavior. It's easy to say you are a "gentlemen", but you'll never know if their definition and yours are the same until you've spent some time with the "gentlemen". So why ask? Observe!

As beth pointed out while looking over my shoulder; "You had a whole list of criteria I had to follow." Yes, that's true, but only the most basic were essential for us to meet; she had to be a woman, and she had to be close enough to meet me in person. Sure she identified herself as submissive, and I as dominant, but what those words were meaningless because we didn't know if they meant the same thing to both of us. We fleshed out our criteria as we went along. Note that it is OUR criteria, beth's included. It evolved into specifics ultimately documented in the form of a contract that we both signed. I assure you that if I brought the rules contained in the contract to show beth on the first day we met, we wouldn't be here today. I also wouldn't want her if she WOULD have agreed and signed it the first day. Acquiescence to lists or words without knowing there is a common definition of those words should be an indication that you are being played or lied to.

My purpose of this thread was fulfilled. Use the information or not. I have no personal agenda, and no goal that is served. We seek nothing other than friendship and communion we like minded people. We achieved that exceeding any expectation. I wanted the dominant people to be strong and be dominant as many here say they are. I wanted the submissive side to appreciate why their approach may be the cause of their failure and/or disappointment. Many have said this insight has been helpful.

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 7:46:01 AM   
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AND ...........
How many threads are there with Subs complaining about all of the "fakes and Wannabes instead of 'real' Doms, or ""There aren't any real Doms out there".


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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 8:16:14 AM   
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Mercnbeth---Let Me raise My martini glass to this one, <ouch> sore hand from fist banging due to the same frustration---

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Why the way Other People Act bothers You so much is a mystery to me


Personally for the same reason I don't tolerate racism, genocide, sexual abuse, rape, murder, slander, crooked politicians and bad restaurant food--I have My standards.

< Message edited by MHOO314 -- 11/29/2005 8:21:32 AM >


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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 9:01:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper

You're right, Wolf. Part of the problem is the "ON YOUR KNEES" emails; but there's also the "liked yr pic" ones. How do i respond to that? Actually, i have been trying to help Men like that form an email that is a conversation-starter, but with very limited success and i am tired of running my own little tutorial.

candystripper



I send back a message simply saying thank you.
I'm just curious why you feel the need to change their approach. Just because it doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean it won't appeal to one who is their perfect match. It seems as if your tutorials are your own doing.

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 9:54:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

.... I was blown away by how many profiles started out negative with full lists of do's and dont's that potential doms had to adhere to or they would be BLOCKED.....

Edited for spelling


I've scracthed my head over this many times!

You want to find a Dominant BUT the Dominant must first submit to a laundry list of “demands”

It makes me think of someone, looking for their dream job, includes as part of their resume:

I will not work Saturdays, any Tuesday that falls on the 15th of the month, after 5PM, before 9AM, during coffee breaks, smoke breaks, or lunch hours……..

Those resumes have a special filing place as do the profiles of “submissives” with negative laundry lists of do’s and don’ts

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 10:06:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


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I think the reality is that a majority of people actually want a vanilla/love based relationship, with the kinky/power/authority stuff thrown in as a fun added bonus.

Given that, it's no surprise how people go about getting what they want.


* Agrees.

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 10:19:39 AM   
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You may be right but the only thing i ever requested is time to get to know each other before the "orders start to fly" or they are trying pull me into their bed "by my hair" LOL Is it too much to ask to be "courted" ? What has ever happened to some romance? but i guess i am different...i want a LTR and alot don't.

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 10:33:38 AM   
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I think many are taking this stuff the wrong way...

All those profiles with many requirements and stated hurdles are just pure entertainment. I now have at least three profiles I can think of immediately that amuse me no end in terms of the sheer cluelessness of the author's of those profiles - sometimes I view them just to catch up on the insanity. In all three cases I actually tried to be helpful in a completely "no bullshit" sort of way via private messages, but I can imagine that from the other side it feels like I was being mean. But that's just how clueless they are!

What you readers need are some online pals with which you can snicker at the clueless profile people. And it's too bad we can't do that here in the forums, but I can understand why it's not allowed.

My favorites are the ones with pages and pages of journal entries stating more and more outrageous hurdles. Sometimes I don't know whether to laugh at them or cry in sympathy for their misguided attempts to find a Dom partner in crime. The truly sad part is that at face value many of these people must be perfectly serious.

Hey, clueless or not - it's better than most stuff on TV...

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 10:43:38 AM   
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Just this weekend I had a "slave" approach me. He had a list of requirements a zillion miles long. The instant I started explaining what *I* was looking for, he jumped all down my throat (for not instantingly agreeing to his, uh, terms), called me a fake, and started abusing me. Then he sent me an email telling me not to email him any more *(like I was going to!). Then he sent me another email, which I deleted without reading and put him on ignore. Then he logged in on another account and sent me another email, which from the name I had a good clue who it was, so I deleted that too and put that name also on ignore. And I'm thinking, this is SUBMISSIVE????!!!!!!!!!!!

Cripes!

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 10:46:03 AM   
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me a fake, and started abusing me. Then he sent me an email telling me not to email him any more

Harass perhaps, abuse is probably not the right term here.

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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 10:59:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkQuin

Some of us don't put up with it. As far as the ones with the hoops that they want 'doms' to jump through, I just ignore them. I've talked to quite a few here and other places, and I tell them the same thing over and over again,"If you are in this lifestyle, then meet me at a munch or the local dungeon." Over ninety percent can't do that, because of one lame excuse or another such as their job is so high up there in the ranks that if they went to a munch they might lose it. I'd rather hear the truth, even if going to such scares them witless(which has got to be a short trip if they are using lame excuses) and aren't ready to get off the computer and actually see what everybody is talking about.

AMEN!

quote:

Some of us don't put up with it. As far as the ones with the hoops that they want 'doms' to jump through, I just ignore them. I've talked to quite a few here and other places, and I tell them the same thing over and over again,"If you are in this lifestyle, then meet me at a munch or the local dungeon." Over ninety percent can't do that, because of one lame excuse or another such as their job is so high up there in the ranks that if they went to a munch they might lose it. I'd rather hear the truth, even if going to such scares them witless(which has got to be a short trip if they are using lame excuses) and aren't ready to get off the computer and actually see what everybody is talking about.


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RE: Why do you put up with it? - 11/29/2005 11:04:31 AM   
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actually, it was verbal abuse; I just didn't quote it all here for everyone to read. AND harassment, of course, in the continued attempts to email me.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn
me a fake, and started abusing me. Then he sent me an email telling me not to email him any more

Harass perhaps, abuse is probably not the right term here.



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