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Mercnbeth -> RE: The Dividing Issue-Palin's view Abortion (9/11/2008 8:09:15 AM)
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
I ask that you don't quote me on things I haven't said, notably this:
"While Roe vs Wade was still being screwed around with, they estimate illegal abortions were at something around 1.2 million per year."
A fetus is a fetus, and before that, it is an embryo. Those are the appropriate medical terms. You, together with the entire "pro-life" lobby, choose to sentimentalise it by calling it "a baby", and to describe an abortion as "a killing". I find your pretence to be sitting on the fence and of being neutral disingenuous: "pro-death", what a lot of shit. At least, you could have the courage of your opinion and be clear about what you believe in. Right now, with its "pro-life" rhetoric and vocabulary, your post is full of hypocrisy and self-satisfaction.
I have come to the conclusion that as a woman is a living and independent being, her life comes before that of something that is entirely dependent on her body to survive - sometimes, abortion is an act of self-defence. It's not simple, it's not easy, it's difficult. It's tough, just like life is.
And guess what? You don't have to worry about it, because you'll never have to make that decision. But I can assure you of one thing: I have yet to meet one woman who skipped over to the clinic with a singing heart and a spring in her step, notwithstanding your 'statistics' that attempt to make it look like most women choose abortion for trivial reasons. Ever had one? It's no fun.
Enjoy the rides you're getting: your physical integrity won't ever be at risk from sex, so if it makes you feel good about yourself, bask away in your mistaken feelings of masculine superiority.
Next time read the post, or at least try to understand it so you don't look so foolish, KS. I think the source of the quotes used, one yours and the other 'Lynnxz' was obvious. CM only brings one into the copy/paste click on 'Quote' tab. But with all the time you spend on the forums you know that. Why make it an issue?
"My statistics"? No - official statistics. Troubling yourself to go to the reference you would have seen reasons provided on the same site. "Singing" or humming, the bottom line is the same - why should that come into the discussion? Why in your mind is the reason given 95% of the time - 'birth control' - trivial? Its neither trivial or important - it's a factual reported result from a source that facilitates without judgment a woman's ability to terminate a pregnancy. Contact them and make an argument that their result is "trivial" if you like.
I'll put it simply for you, I'm for your right to choose but won't stand behind your rationalization of labeling the result of the activity which is the killing of a baby, a 'medical procedure'. At minimum try to develop the character necessary to stand up for your position no matter how difficult the appropriate referencing words make it.
I forgot - your agenda is that everyone think your way and not be allowed a differing perspective or position. I note that you need to reduce the discussion to insult and cursing. Why is a different label expressing the same position as yours troubling you to the point of needing to do so?
I am not sitting on any fence on the issue. I'm neutral in the debate. I see the points and could add to them on either side. However, my position on the freedom of choice on this and any issue should be clear - I FOR personal choice, personal responsibility, personal accountability. If a national law was passed based upon an amendment labeled 'Legalized pre-viable baby killing' would you oppose it? Why? I wouldn't. The result is your goal - how can a label make a difference?
Oh, and Yes - I very much am enjoying "the ride" - THANKS!
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