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Real0ne
it does not change the topic here however or the conclusions of the topic unfortunately

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i think the only problem is that i have with it is that sites like this allow it to be in with general mix and it is such a pain to read pro after pro profile when you are not seeking one

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Oh and yes i too immediately took note of your corset! very nice. english?

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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Oh and yes i too immediately took note of your corset! very nice. english?

Thank you very much.. In attracting new attention with the new corset, I got some cock shots today from someone who wants online humiliation. M

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so this whole tribute=hooker thread probably gives him a huge hard on, lol

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Oh and yes i too immediately took note of your corset! very nice. english? Thank you very much.. In attracting new attention with the new corset, I got some cock shots today from someone who wants online humiliation. M

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So... is he looking for a down and dirty one liner? -- "With a cock like that do you really need to look for humiliation?"

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
In most dating situations, one person is doing the pursuing more than the other. You probably have never been on the other end of a courtship and so you don't know what I'm talking about. When it comes to the femdom/malesub dynamic, based solely on numbers, usually it's the male sub who do most of the initiating/courting if he wants to gain the favor of a woman who is being pursued by many. This is a sad reality.

The other sad reality is that you think just because it's free to download however many gigs of porn in "an hour" (how do you know this? obviously you DO it. I certainly had no idea how long it takes to download free porn, I don't have that kind of time to waste) doesn't mean this activity really does ANYTHING to help a sub's chances at dating. Even though it's "free" doesn't mean maybe his time should be spent on other things -- like improving himself, socializing with men and women in the real world, going to workshops and seminars, taking a nightclass, going to the gym or cleaning his apartment so it doesn't smell bad when he brings a lady home for the first time.

Akasha

yeh i have been pursued many times. and i do agree that typically a male initiates the courtship but as soon as it is accepted its mutual. how do i know this? well my computer and internet savvy comes at a cost. well the download speed is simple math. you do not have to physically download anything. well if i were to do such a thing i would just hit one button and walk away then come back later when it is done. the whole process would probly take a whopping 5 minutes. i dont waste my time with night classes i am self taught night classes take to long. what a nasty view you have of men

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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Real0ne
it does not change the topic here however or the conclusions of the topic unfortunately

Tribute does not equal being a hooker any more than his offering to bring her flowers or a gift (of any value) equal him trying to buy sex from her. Generosity is not something any of us can enforce, but I know that I don't find cheapness sexy.

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i think the only problem is that i have with it is that sites like this allow it to be in with general mix and it is such a pain to read pro after pro profile when you are not seeking one

How much are you paying for sites like this? If you don't like it, yah know what you can do right?
I have a problem with all of the "real" submissive men not lining selves up for my choosing, and not offering to fly out within 2 weeks to meet and become my slave as soon as I say so, but I try to be grown up about it (most of the time ).

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Oh and yes i too immediately took note of your corset! very nice. english?

Thank you very much.. In attracting new attention with the new corset, I got some cock shots today from someone who wants online humiliation. M

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ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix

Yesterday, my boy arrived from Seattle, and though I took him out for lunch at a nice restaurant, he asked if he could pay for dinner and I said yes (although we both discussed this thread with much laughter, and he said he was going to save the receipt to prove that I made him pay for dinner). I reminded him that I had the receipt for lunch, and the shirts and ties I picked out for him to wear. And the books I bought him and the training salver I gave him (it's only stainless steel but very nice).

Although his buying me dinner I"m sure branded me a tribute-requiring hooker in the minds of some on the board, they are not the people I'd want to meet, because unlike my boy, they are the kind of people looking to take advantage of my generosity. Users, in other words.

Phoenix

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ORIGINAL: MichMasochist

Does tribute equal being a hooker.

What is a hooker? A woman who provides physical services for the sexual gratification of the client who has paid her to provide one or more specific acts.

What is a "pro" domme? A woman who provides physical services for the gratification of a client who is often aroused or sexually stimualted by one or more fetishes including physical pain, and/or discomfrot.

Rare is the Pro dommes web sight that doesn't depict her wearing a "strap on" or expressly states her willingness to participate in providing an act of sodomy with hersilf as the actor.

What is it I get out of my surrendering power and control over myself, to a dominating lady. It is a very much a sexual experiance. Every bit as much as engageing in traditional vanilla sex acts.

So to myself and others like me, any woman attaching the title, or otherwise calling herself: "Pro" or "Life stile" Is telling a prospective client that compensation for her services is expected and or required. Can only be a hooker.

As for the subject of a man offering a gift to a woman for her companionship really isn't even close. In the matting ritual of the Human primate the gift is offered as an expression of interest. Unsolisited, Often offered without expectations of reciprocausity. (In my personal experiance)
Unlike the woman identifying herself as "Pro", The title clearly expresses her williness to provide certain services but only if she receives compesatory re-embersment.

Curios, an escort is paid only for her time and anything that might happen is a matter of choice. Yea right. A "pro" or "life style" is paid to offset the expense of her toys and not the acts she might participate in. O...K... right.

So that does bring up another point. If sight policy prohibits solicitation of money for services, or something like that, why are these ladies permitted to post their offer to conduct bussiness?

If I wanted to pay to play I'd go were it's legal. Like Sheris Ranch in Nevada they have a play room there. Maybe we as society should grow-up and stop rationalizing what it is that they do. Legalize prostitution, or at the very least decriminalize it.

Yes I have been to serveral pros. Only one out of the three encounters was gratifiying. I suppose if I were gay and didn't have a boyfriend "Pro" would be the way to go.

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

I have had many boys claiming to be experienced slaves, or craving a slavehood lifestyle with Me, but it is not to include their income other than paying their share of the expenses. As I have stated before, that makes a boy My roomate with benefits, not My slave.
To what extent financial control is a part of the relationship is up to each individual couple. Most of the boys are willing to do anything, usually in exchange for proposed playtime, but draw the line at their bank account. I find Myself immediately questioned about "the money", these days, even before I have an opportunity to determine how much flexibility might be warranted in an individual situation. Why even discuss this until it is appropriate?. I get this in the first two emails. And we haven't even met yet. Just another instance of how "any Domina will do, just as long as She plays by my rules and comfort level."
Makes Me tired. It's precisely why I am not actively seeking at this time.

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

I have had many boys claiming to be experienced slaves, or craving a slavehood lifestyle with Me, but it is not to include their income other than paying their share of the expenses. As I have stated before, that makes a boy My roomate with benefits, not My slave.
To what extent financial control is a part of the relationship is up to each individual couple. Most of the boys are willing to do anything, usually in exchange for proposed playtime, but draw the line at their bank account. I find Myself immediately questioned about "the money", these days, even before I have an opportunity to determine how much flexibility might be warranted in an individual situation. Why even discuss this until it is appropriate?. I get this in the first two emails. And we haven't even met yet. Just another instance of how "any Domina will do, just as long as She plays by my rules and comfort level."
Makes Me tired. It's precisely why I am not actively seeking at this time.

It almost seems like you are ignoring the fact that people have to live in the real world, and not a fantasy world. Someone else already said it, but I wouldn't trust most people I run into on the internet to be able to balance a checkbook let alone my finances. Once you put someone on your bank account, or worse deposit money into their account, there really is very little they can't do with that money. There is also the very real problem of "ok... well what happens if the relationship goes sour after months/years of someone possibly leeching off my bank account".

Judging from your posting, it almost seems like you feel that calling yourself dominant, possibly even being involved in doing dominant things with submissive folks, means that they should be immediately willing to add you to their bank account(s) because they were willing to trust you enough to have a relationship with you. That is almost as the people contacting some random submissive, saying that they would be perfect for them and that they should move across the country to move in with them, and then admitting they didn't bother to read that submissive's profile when he says "your profile says you are straight, are only interested in 'hwp women age x-y', and a few other things along those lines... um... you know I'm a guy right?'

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold
I find Myself immediately questioned about "the money", these days, even before I have an opportunity to determine how much flexibility might be warranted in an individual situation. Why even discuss this until it is appropriate?. I get this in the first two emails. And we haven't even met yet. Just another instance of how "any Domina will do, just as long as She plays by my rules and comfort level."
Makes Me tired. It's precisely why I am not actively seeking at this time.

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold
I will obey you in all things. But if you ever try to touch my money, god help you."
Doesn't make much sense to Me.
I am tired of the automatic assumptions that a Lady cannot be trusted with the money reigns or that She just wants to rip everyone off. And I am tired of this debate.
P.S. I never contact a random submissive. They contact Me.

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Not at all. When I am seeking, I am seeking a slave for a full time, 24/7 live-in relationship. A TPE, (Total Power Exchange) includes eveything. Total does mean ALL. If one gets to that point, then the finances have to be worked out. Therefore, I am not asking to be added to a bank account. I am determining if you should even have a bank account in the first place. Is that too Dominant for you?

I have discoursed on this subject at length in various other threads over the last 2 years or so. I have built in protections and savings, retirement, etc. for a boy. Some will leave better off then when they arrived. Other resources will, most likely, remain untouched. The idea, of course, is that the boy does not leave. This is supposed to be a permanent arrangement. At least that is what I seek. Why is this an issue that never comes up between Males Doms and their female slaves?
By all means, protect yourself (and your masculinity) from the evil Dommes. After all, they are not true Dominants if they include any Domination factor over your money. They are just after your wallet.
I agree that there are many people (not just Ladies) who can't be trusted to balance a checkbook or be fiscally responsible. I have met an awful lot of boys who are barely scraping by and I wouldn't trust them with My income, either. It is called getting to know someone, with the awareness that if you seek a TPE, the finances are part of that. It amazes Me that this continues to be such a sore point, that it has to be rehashed on these boards every single month.
Boys, boys, boys...you say: "I will worship you, and adore you and live for you. I offer you my body for everything from CBT to forced strap-on. I will allow you to tie me up, beat me, or suspend me from the rafters. I am here for your pleasure. Because that is what counts. My pleasures do not matter. I will cook for you, clean for you, lick your shoes, wash your panties and drink your golden nectar. I will obey you in all things. But if you ever try to touch my money, god help you."
Doesn't make much sense to Me.
I am tired of the automatic assumptions that a Lady cannot be trusted with the money reigns or that She just wants to rip everyone off. And I am tired of this debate.
P.S. I never contact a random submissive. They contact Me.

Riiiight... I've questioned you on it so now it's time to claim that you are just too dominant for me and that people feel giving up control over their finances as a threat/attack against their masculinity... After all, that's clearly why only female dominants and male subs seem to continually have this as a problem of discussion. I don't think there are enough of these little guys to show my reaction to that claim .

It only takes a few minutes of glancing over profiles of male dominants and female dominants to see that perhaps the reason that this seems to come up quite often with the poor female dominant having to waste time with all manner of unreasonable submissives, is quite likely due to the fact that a huge chunk of the female dominants outright admit that they are in it for the money and expect bank accounts and what not... while the male dominants.... well they are pretty much lacking in that sort of thing.

You can claim that your system has "protections" built into it, but the fact of the matter is that the law and the world itself doesn't really care too much about what someone put down on a piece of paper before they decided to add someone to their bank account/sign over their checks/call it what you want for a number of years/decades before the relationship fell apart with the other person nowhere to be found. Marriages are generally intended to be a permanent thing as well, but something close to half of them fall apart and end in divorce within the first few years (43% according to google). It's no big secret that divorce courts have strong habits of ruling greatly in favor of the female in almost all cases.

When it's suggested/done in an established relationship because managing one account is easier than managing two, then great. When it's demanded in a brand new relationship that could quite possibly fail, all because one party "wants to have control over it"... that's a rather different situation entirely and should raise red flags on any sane person.

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