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Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 4:34:46 AM

LadyEllen

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Question - from a confirmed British heathen, who simply doesnt get it

If Palin believes the Bible to be true and holds herself to be a Christian, then why on Earth is she not following the guidance of the Bible on how women should conduct themselves and their proper place in the world?

On the one hand she seems to advertise her fulfilment of the recognised role of women according to the Bible, but on the other she does so to gain support for a role which according to the Bible is for men only. And this is to leave to one side her other many transgressions against that which is written.

I have no problem with people describing themselves as Christian running for any office, and no problem with women who so describe themselves doing so; where my confusion comes is in the apparent position Palin holds that the Bible is true - so she is either deliberately violating its counsel, has never read it (which in Christian teaching would be a rightful thing) or she doesnt really think its true.

Answers please to "Palin, the Bible and the place of women", c/o CM Fora.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 4:45:50 AM

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I guess I would have to ask you instead what YOU thought the place of women was in relation to the Bible?

From my own reading, I come away with an understanding that women are strong, hardworking and loyal to their families, communities, and their God.

Even if you take the Bible in a literal sense, a person still can not come away with the idea that women should not contribute any and everything that they can to the betterment of life.

Of course, if you are instead inferring that according to the Bible, women should do nothing more than stay home, take care of their men, and have babies; then yes, I can understand why you would be confused.

However, from my reading of the Bible, that is not what is being taught.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 4:47:08 AM

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Nobody here can answer that question. I'm sure that isn't going to stop some.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 4:53:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

If Palin believes the Bible to be true and holds herself to be a Christian, then why on Earth is she not following the guidance of the Bible on how women should conduct themselves and their proper place in the world?

where in the Bible does is state how woman should conduct themselves and their proper place in the world?
Asking for the chapter and verse....

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 4:59:36 AM

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I dont have chapter and verse (heathen, remember?) but unlike many I have read the damned thing

I particularly recall St Paul giving advice on how women should conduct themselves, and the OT is riddled with examples too.

Offences I can think of
- not covering her head
- speaking in a public meeting
- flaunting her sexuality

Or is it more the case that just as a horse can drink from any side of a trough, the skilled reader can make what they will of the Bible? (in which case its a free for all and there is no such thing as Christian values as espoused?)

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:03:57 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Question - from a confirmed British heathen, who simply doesnt get it

If Palin believes the Bible to be true and holds herself to be a Christian, then why on Earth is she not following the guidance of the Bible on how women should conduct themselves and their proper place in the world?

On the one hand she seems to advertise her fulfilment of the recognised role of women according to the Bible, but on the other she does so to gain support for a role which according to the Bible is for men only. And this is to leave to one side her other many transgressions against that which is written.

I have no problem with people describing themselves as Christian running for any office, and no problem with women who so describe themselves doing so; where my confusion comes is in the apparent position Palin holds that the Bible is true - so she is either deliberately violating its counsel, has never read it (which in Christian teaching would be a rightful thing) or she doesnt really think its true.

Answers please to "Palin, the Bible and the place of women", c/o CM Fora.

E

Yes, the most wonderful thing about Christianity, and religion in general, is that the absolutes only apply when you want to condemn another, but if it is for you, or those you approve of, anything can be rationalized.

Southern Baptists back Palin despite view on women's role ...
Southern Baptists back Palin despite view on women's role ... the first female
on the party's ticket in history — has thrilled conservative Christians. ...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-10-02-palin-baptists_N.htm

RALEIGH, N.C. — Within the nation's largest Protestant denomination, a woman may not lead a church or a home. But prominent Southern Baptists see nothing wrong with Sarah Palin serving as vice president — or perhaps even commander-in-chief someday.In other words: A woman can run the White House, just not her own house.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:08:03 AM

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I don't care what she believes. I do care when she thinks that the doctrine of separation of church and state ought to be overthrown. I'm a profound Jeffersonian and I want the bill of rights, although I am for gun control. In that arena, I prefer the Swiss approach, each household must own a government approved weapon that is checked by the police yearly and is kept in a locked gun safe with the ammunition in a separate locked cabinet. And I don't believe machine guns qualify or Saturday Night Specials.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:09:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

where in the Bible does is state how woman should conduct themselves and their proper place in the world?
Asking for the chapter and verse....

Try 1 timothy 2:12 That's the one of the sections that the Catholics use to keep women from the priesthood

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:13:50 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Offences I can think of
- not covering her head
- speaking in a public meeting
- flaunting her sexuality

Or is it more the case that just as a horse can drink from any side of a trough, the skilled reader can make what they will of the Bible? (in which case its a free for all and there is no such thing as Christian values as espoused?)

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dear lady...i have yet to cover my head in public in all but the most frigid of weather. I have spoken in public on a number of occasions, and i flaunt my sexuality about as much as Palin does (meaning not much).
Do these things mean i do not have Christian values? Perhaps in your opinion. In mine (which, btw...is the one that matters to me, as i am the harshest of judges for myself) these issues you present are simply silly.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:18:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

where in the Bible does is state how woman should conduct themselves and their proper place in the world?
Asking for the chapter and verse....

Try 1 timothy 2:12 That's the one of the sections that the Catholics use to keep women from the priesthood

Well what do you know. I had actually forgotten about that section

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:23:20 AM

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Then try Proverbs 31, where the Bible tells us that a good wife is a home maker as well as a business woman
She considers a field and buys it plants a vineyard, she makes clothing for sale, she makes girdles (belts) and sells them.
So apparently the Bible commands women to be merchants/ businesswomen.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:24:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly
these issues you present are simply silly.

Indeed, in the modern secular world these are silly - the point though is that according to Palin she apparently believes them to be true and rightful standards of decorum - yet she violates them.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:29:15 AM

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In that arena, I prefer the Swiss approach, each household must own a government approved weapon that is checked by the police yearly and is kept in a locked gun safe with the ammunition in a separate locked cabinet.

This is inaccurate. All able-bodied Swiss men have a period of military service between the ages of 19 and 31 where they remain part of the army reserve forces after an initial training at boot camp. After boot camp ends, they have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment, including ammunition, or of returning the guns to the army. If they keep these things, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where they remove the fully automatic function and the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. However, as there are around 300 deaths per year involving the use of Swiss army guns, mostly suicides and family murders, since October 2007 the issuing of personal ammunition after boot camp has been discontinued and a majority of the already issued packs will be withdrawn within 2008.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:30:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
I particularly recall St Paul giving advice on how women should conduct themselves, and the OT is riddled with examples too.

Offences I can think of
- not covering her head
- speaking in a public meeting
- flaunting her sexuality

First of all the Old Testament has nothing to do with Christianity. Secondly, St Paul himself was very much a jew and the offenses listed are not christian offenses, but jewish offenses. Also he spoke to the jewish people of his time, converting them to Christianity and convincing them to stop their evil ways.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Or is it more the case that just as a horse can drink from any side of a trough, the skilled reader can make what they will of the Bible? (in which case its a free for all and there is no such thing as Christian values as espoused?)

Paul also wrote Thessalonians and he covered himself for any mistakes he had made or that the Christian religion still might be burdened by. Specifically he said:
"21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:21-22)
Clearly Palin examined the scriptures and deemed some lines evil.

No, there are clear Chrsitian values, one of them being that a woman chooses her own mate and that if adulterous she will be forgiven by her husband, other relatives and community.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:33:10 AM

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quote:

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these issues you present are simply silly.

Indeed, in the modern secular world these are silly - the point though is that according to Palin she apparently believes them to be true and rightful standards of decorum - yet she violates them.

E

well then in that case...so do i.

So judge me as you do her. I lose no sleep.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:35:49 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

If Palin believes the Bible to be true and holds herself to be a Christian, then why on Earth is she not following the guidance of the Bible on how women should conduct themselves and their proper place in the world?

where in the Bible does is state how woman should conduct themselves and their proper place in the world?
Asking for the chapter and verse....

Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.” (Genesis 3:16)

And that is why a woman who publicly prays or prophesies without a covering on her head dishonors her husband (for her covering is a sign of her subjection to him). 1Cor 11:3-5

There are many more, you only need look to find them.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:38:51 AM

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Also he spoke to the jewish people of his time, converting them to Christianity and convincing them to stop their evil ways.

Thanks a lot.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:42:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Then try Proverbs 31, where the Bible tells us that a good wife is a home maker as well as a business woman
She considers a field and buys it plants a vineyard, she makes clothing for sale, she makes girdles (belts) and sells them.
So apparently the Bible commands women to be merchants/ businesswomen.

The point is that there are a great many Christian churches that have chosen certain Biblical passages to support their teachings that women are to be in a submissive role, and Palin has been a member of churches that espouse those teachings.

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:46:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly
these issues you present are simply silly.

Indeed, in the modern secular world these are silly - the point though is that according to Palin she apparently believes them to be true and rightful standards of decorum - yet she violates them.

E

well then in that case...so do i.

So judge me as you do her. I lose no sleep.

I have no reason to judge you - you are not running for high office on the strength of your Christian beliefs

I have no reason to judge Palin either - but she has here provided a suitable focus for discussion I feel

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RE: Palin, the Bible and the place of women - 10/3/2008 5:47:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Also he spoke to the jewish people of his time, converting them to Christianity and convincing them to stop their evil ways.

Thanks a lot.

aww...don't feel bad...you might be evil but i disrespect hubby by not covering my head.
If i see him with a pile of stones, warmimg up his pitching arm, might i camp on your sofa?

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