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RE: feminization - 2/8/2009 2:36:03 PM

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I think there is more than enough room for the once a year panty wearer and the postop TS in the transgender world. It would be a real special event if everyone would act like it.....

Oddly enough, many transsexuals don't share this opinion and cringe at the thought of the term "transgender" being used like this, or at all. It has nothing whatsoever to do with any supposed hierarchy, implied value or being "further along", but with reality. Comparing transsexuals to transvestites makes as much sense as comparing apples to pears. One is no better than the other, they're just entirely different things.

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One is no better than the other? In what respect? Believe me, there is a heirarchy with sissy feminized men wanking off to being sissified feminized men right at the bottom of the list.

I would say that comparing transsexuals to transvestites is like comparing apples to dog penises. It is that different. Unfortunately, to the lay-person, they just don't qualify the difference. They are all men in dresses right?

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RE: feminization - 2/8/2009 2:39:06 PM

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I enjoy feminizing a sub when it's MY idea or whim to do so.

I do NOT enjoy a whiney sissy who wants to greet me in girly clothes and expect My motor to get revved up seeing him in pinks, pastels and frills.

The only thrill I get by feminization is when a man really has NO desire to engage in that activity and I force it on him for giggles, laughter and the glee it affords me.

A recent episode of SuperNanny where a pig male was forced to wear heels while he did all of his wife's housework that he always took for granted is a perfect example of the kind of feminization antics I love to enforce.

Teaching a man how akward it is to wear heels, and how time consuming it is to shave, primp and make up is a hoot.

A steady diet of it is nauseating.

TexasMaam

Oh you mean like Oscar De La Hoya? Believe me, you cannot rape the willing.

If those guys have hard dicks when you were doing it, they are turned on by it.

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RE: feminization - 2/8/2009 7:11:58 PM

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If those guys have hard dicks when you were doing it, they are turned on by it.

Not necessarily by the feminization aspect. Some are turned on by the very fact that they're being coerced by a woman into something they DON'T really like. And from TexasMaam's post, it's quite possible that the guys she's talking about don't have a feminization fetish.

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RE: feminization - 2/8/2009 9:12:27 PM

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Oh you mean like Oscar De La Hoya? Believe me, you cannot rape the willing.

If those guys have hard dicks when you were doing it, they are turned on by it.

If you are referring to feminization this is not necessarily true. My sub does not like wearing woman's clothes and he says he feels much embarrassed in them. When I dress him in my polka dot bra and panties he becomes sexually excited. Not because of the garments he wears, because I am FORCING him to wear something he wishes not. He is sexually excited from my power and forcing him into the bra and panties demonstrates my power. Is why I do this. I like because he looks silly and he can not argue with me dressed like this because he is too powerless and the bra and panties are all the time reminder.

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Now I noticed hardbodysub write the same thing one post above (with many less words). My bad.

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RE: feminization - 2/9/2009 5:36:42 AM

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That's OK Nikitaa, two people writing similar responses adds legitimacy to the idea. Also, it seems more convincing coming from a domina.

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RE: feminization - 2/9/2009 11:41:34 AM

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Then why don't you dress him in a silly santa suit or in furry monkey pants, or like a pink bunny with no bunny head out in public? Does that make his penis hard?

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RE: feminization - 2/9/2009 11:52:10 AM

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Just wanted to say i agree entirley with eveything you say here. Just to add its only since the arrival of the net that pre op TS have multiplied ten fold.

zoe x

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RE: feminization - 2/9/2009 11:55:02 AM

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Then why don't you dress him in a silly santa suit or in furry monkey pants, or like a pink bunny with no bunny head out in public? Does that make his penis hard?

I'm considering that. . . . . . .

Yep, that could work!

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RE: feminization - 2/9/2009 12:10:51 PM

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Then why don't you dress him in a silly santa suit or in furry monkey pants, or like a pink bunny with no bunny head out in public? Does that make his penis hard?

I'm considering that. . . . . . .

Yep, that could work!

For who? lol (inquiring minds want to know... is Peon into funny furry things in public?)

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RE: feminization - 2/9/2009 1:58:34 PM

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Well, I wouldn't like it really, because it would be very humiliating. Which is why I might like it. Er, but most likely not. Wow. . . .

I trust that this clarifies . . . .

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RE: feminization - 2/9/2009 2:06:51 PM

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Well, I wouldn't like it really, because it would be very humiliating. Which is why I might like it. Er, but most likely not. Wow. . . .

I trust that this clarifies . . . .

Perfectly! lol And the bunny rabbit season isn't too far off! I want pictures becasue you know... someone is going to want you in a bunny suit if only the ears! I do wonder what you would do for a special carrot though! hehe

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RE: feminization - 2/9/2009 4:13:50 PM

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Then why don't you dress him in a silly santa suit or in furry monkey pants, or like a pink bunny with no bunny head out in public? Does that make his penis hard?

Because those only make a man look foolish. Woman's undergarments feminize a man and some men (as my sub) are much embarrassed by feminization. My submissive might wear a monkey suit if he lost a gambling bet. Never woman's clothes. Only I have the power to force him into bra and panties. This is what makes him sexuality excited, my power to make him do what no others can make him do.

Wonder Woman has same power over my sub. He has huge Wonder Women crush. He desires me to dress as Wonder Women. I tell him is good to have a dream.

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RE: feminization - 2/9/2009 5:01:07 PM

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I think too many people make too much of this. I'm transgendered and quite feminine and so passable that I need to wear my hair very short to "pass" as a man. I personally think it has nothing to do with whether males or females, or masculinity or femininity, is "superior", nor a putdown of any gender, or even an "emulation" of the female gender.

It's nothing but erotic/emotional pleasure, just as dominance and submission are erotic pleasures and happiness. It's no more surprising to me that Doms don't care for feminine guys than that other women don't care much for them. Why would they? As a feminine sub, that's unfortunate for me, but on the other hand, you don't need a majority of Doms to be attracted to you. You only need one, and if you find her, you get the TG pleasures as well as the submissive pleasures. I always wondered if my submission was connected to my TG desires (since as a gross generalization, females are submissive as mammals, the hyena being an exception), but I have no idea how many subs are TG, as compared with the percentage of TGs in the general population.

Historically, the feminine role was very submissive. One of the "interests" in this site is "1950's household", and I think both sub males and sub females probably use that one frequently. I put "Live for that", even though I'm a sub male, rather than a female. It's exactly what I want, but I want to be the wife, and I'd work, though I'd want my money deposited in my mistess's account, so I'd be as financially dependent as any 1950's housewife.

It's ironic to me that Doms could think that Subs would find femininity "less worthy" than masculinity. Subs worship women. TG subs worship femininity as well, but all the discussion in the world counts for spit, since it's simply a matter of incredible emotional, erotic pleasure, and nobody's pleasure is "superior" to another's, just as no variation of gender is superior to another, in society. In this subculture, subs like me love a female supremacy lifestyle and being a woman's slave, but I certainly would find it ridiculous to contend that one gender is superior to another, whether intellectually or otherwise, excepting only size and strength, which is irrelevant in today's society, unless you want to be a combat soldier or great athlete, or a few other occupations, and even in those, it's not a matter of gender, but rather size and strength. Many females are stronger and bigger than many males.

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RE: feminization - 2/10/2009 6:18:50 AM

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At the end of the day, there are boys who go all the way to be girls and boys who don't.

I chose to remain male and integrate my female side another way. I am transgendered and could give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks of where I belong in the heirarchy of transgender, or if I am or am not transgendered in their most vaunted opinions...screw you, I am happy. Take your boxes and categories to someone who cares.

I find the "one-twu-way" to be transgendered, and "I'm better than you cause X" arguments to be just silly.

People always try to find a way to make themselves feel superior to others and this thread shows that in spades.

The ultimate question about who you are and where you fit is "Yes, but are you happy?"

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RE: feminization - 2/10/2009 7:45:21 AM

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As a follow-on, and back on the actual topic of feminization...

I really think that a large part of the argument about who is or is not transgendered is tied up in how "feminization" and specifically "forced feminization" is perceived in the lifestyle, and the public at large.

So many men come to this with: a refusal to own their kink, a desire for someone else to impose it on them so they don't have to face what and who they really are. Further, they often present themselves as unworthy or pathetic and have nothing other than this one very obsessive kink to offer up into a relationship.

This makes dominant Ladies very cranky, as the repeated arguments about feminizing boys in this and a thousand other topics have shown. A one trick pony in denial about who and what he is and an obsessive grip on a single kink that requires a lot of work is not gonna get a dominant Lady hot and bothered...and it can be seen as making the whole concept of gender bending (however you box it up

) as squicky and undesirable. This makes it harder for those who have dedicated themselves to a path (whatever that path may be

) and so you get those who come in with the "one twu way" arguments...

Well, I have one of those too - and here it is:

If you want feminization...then own it. Make it positive, not pathetic. Make it part of a well rounded offering of submission. Don't make the Lady do all the work. Keep it in balance within your relationships, your submission, and your life.

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RE: feminization - 2/10/2009 12:03:16 PM

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I am not at all interested in having a sub who cross-dresses and I sure as heck ain't forced feminizing any of Mine! I am bi-, but when I want to be with a female, I'll be with a female. And never the twain shall meet.

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RE: feminization - 2/10/2009 12:15:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: QueenIsis

I am not at all interested in having a sub who cross-dresses and I sure as heck ain't forced feminizing any of Mine! I am bi-, but when I want to be with a female, I'll be with a female. And never the twain shall meet.

QueenIsis, I am curious so I have to ask - in the other thread about "service submission" I got a sense that you thought the OP in that thread (who seeks a live in service position) had a scenario that would work for you. However, it's clear this sub is into feminization, or wants to be en femme if at all possible, in his live-in role. Would that be a deal breaker for you?

Akasha

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RE: feminization - 2/10/2009 1:02:45 PM

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Aakasha, yes, that would be a deal-breaker for Me; I thought about it after posting on that one, and came to the conclusion that as much as I'd love to have a service slave of that type, I just can't deal with the whole crossdressing thing. I "talked" to him on the other side, tho, and we'll remain friendly, but that's all.

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RE: feminization - 2/10/2009 1:21:25 PM

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Otter: I agree. It's other factors which motivate a person to become female, not a "desire". I think the desires are all pretty much the same, but you aren't likely to find guys who look like linebackers becoming females, because their happiness would suffer. People like me could do it very easily, but it was my profession, and that I like having sex with women, and lots of male activities/friends, which made me not go through with it. If I had been a secretary or something, with almost no male friends and no girlfriend, (or gay), then I'm certain I'd have become a female. I came very close to going through with it. It's not your desires nor your erotic behaviors which define you ae a person. It's things like courtesy, integrity, compassion, loyalty, friendliness, responsibility, and other aspects of you as a person, whether you are male or female, dominant or submissive.

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RE: feminization - 2/10/2009 2:15:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim
So many men come to this with: a refusal to own their kink, a desire for someone else to impose it on them so they don't have to face what and who they really are. Further, they often present themselves as unworthy or pathetic and have nothing other than this one very obsessive kink to offer up into a relationship.

Precisely! Both here (a little) and on the other kinky site I have used in the past, and in the forums, most of the men who want cross-dressing/feminisation (especially forced) come across as objectifying the Domme! In many cases, they've even specifically said that even if I enjoyed having them cross-dress or be feminised, they couldn't get what they needed from it unless I both complied with their specific fantasy of verbal abuse, and even emotionally felt precisely how they wanted me to feel about it! Not even the Dominants I've talked with expect *THAT* degree of control over me! They want me to enjoy it (or potentially not enjoy it/have mixed feelings), but they realise that they can't necessarily fine tune the emotions in a specific direction.

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