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RE: feminization - 1/30/2009 2:25:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats
I like Crossdressing when actual effort is made to look like a beautiful woman, and the CD revels in his own beauty.

The whole gorilla-in-a-tutu look is pointless at best; more often, it's insulting to women.

I do not understand how women become insulted with this event. I understand if not attractive to you. We all have our own kinks.

I do not become insulted when a man wears a bra and panties. I would become offended if man wears MY bra and panties without permission but not someone elses.

The event is not pointless to some of us. I like to humiliate my submissive and walking on him and putting him into woman's clothes is good for this. This is the purpose of the "gorilla-in-a-tutu" look, to humiliate and take away a man's power. Man wearing bra and panties is not in power and nothing he say changes equation.

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RE: feminization - 1/30/2009 2:33:42 AM

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I think she was referencing the objectification and fetish-izing of women, the feeling that forcing men to dress as women is humiliating and implies that being or looking female is bad, humiliating, or removes power. That is what I took it for anyway.

Forcing a man to wear woman's clothes does remove power from him. I do not understand why this would insult me or other women. Men are not suppose to wear panties. If I see a submissive man's girlfriend force him to wear panties then I know he is not in power. This event does not change my power or cause me to become less a woman. If the man is forced to wear diaper then should baby feel insulted?

If a man is made to look female this is insult. I am a woman and I agree this is insult to the man. This does not insult me. Men are not supposed to look like women.

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RE: feminization - 1/31/2009 2:15:28 AM

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Hello Nikitaa

i think you are one of the frist if not the only Dome Female here that is it this type of play or sessions not many are and you seem too very open minded on this subject its an honor too read your postings and to have you here .

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RE: feminization - 1/31/2009 5:31:06 AM

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Hello Nikitaa

i think you are one of the frist if not the only Dome Female here that is it this type of play or sessions not many are and you seem too very open minded on this subject its an honor too read your postings and to have you here .

I think many dominatrix on collarme open minded (some not). Some maybe just do not like your fetish. I have preference for other kinky ideas. I like to walk and trample my toy and do more secret things. I use woman's clothes because I think is difficult for man to resist my power and orders while he standing in front of me in my bra and panties. Man can not show toughness and act powerful while he is dressed this way. This makes easier to pull his hair as if he is sissy girl. Then knock him down and trample him.

I do not dress men this way because I want to make them cute (or ugly) woman. I do because I can control men easier when they feel powerless and embarrassed. If the man likes wearing these clothes too much then I push his limits by taking him to car wash late in night and he can wash my car while he dressed as cheerleader. <-------I have not done this but I will soon to someone. :-)

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RE: feminization - 1/31/2009 6:34:55 AM

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Ms Nikitaa

wow thta is very good humiliation for a sub male i think many of us like that shame and and being mae too wear not only infortn of you but in fornt of others even men but that would be very degradeing

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RE: feminization - 1/31/2009 6:46:16 AM

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Well, I actually did an in depth scientific poll recently which had some astounding revelations.

The results were as follows;

Dominant Women more often then not, found feminiza...........wait a sec......is that a run?

It is.......crap......I got runner, I'll have to get back to you.

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RE: feminization - 1/31/2009 9:56:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: Nikitaa

If the man likes wearing these clothes too much then I push his limits by taking him to car wash late in night and he can wash my car while he dressed as cheerleader. <-------I have not done this but I will soon to someone. :-)

Just a note of caution here. A man dressed en'femme in public can engender mild to extreme reactions from those around - especially male persons. Realize that if you are responsible for a submissive male being in a public place dressed...you are also at least partially responsible for his safety where ever you choose to take him. A car wash in New York late at night is not anywhere I would want to be dressed female.

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RE: feminization - 1/31/2009 10:25:50 AM

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Nikitaa is right in her assessment as far as social customs go. Men are not suppose to dress as women.

There is nothing intrinsically female about a skirt or blouse or anything women don including makeup. However, it is per social custom recognized - and communicates - feminine gender.

Sex and gender are not exactly the same thing. But social custom and mores shuns - at least for males but this is no longer true for females - males who dress as the gender opposite their sex.

Historically men throughout most the world wore skirts or tunic and robes. Trousers actually originated among the nomadic warrior tribes of the East (e.g. Scythians etc.). Like the stirrup and armor, the "Western European" world eventually adopt the trousers as normal wear for men. In my opinion it is more suited for combat (be that in rural or urban areas). Eventually women began wearing trousers as well, but this was not normative or socially acceptable until perhaps the 20th century, indeed, most men did not even wear jeans originally (that being confined to lower class mine workers and gold rush seekers out West).

Today it is largely socially acceptable for women to dress as men - especially butch lesbians known as "studs" within Black-Americana.

My point is, when a man dons "female clthing" it doe's not insinuate he is of the female sex. What it suggests is that he is being feminized, or that is to say he is taking on attributes of the female gender e.g. "sissy."

Many women in say.... the United States today are increasingly masculinizing per gender - not not. Their sex remains female but their gender becomes more masculinized year by year. Masculinity is seen by both men and women (this especially so includes feminits of both sex) as the harbinger trait of "strength," capability, and what encapsulates all that is honorable and good within the world. Feminity, because it is correlated with reception and compromise, is regarded as weak, by many.

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RE: feminization - 1/31/2009 10:50:25 AM

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well said upsG

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RE: feminization - 1/31/2009 1:19:30 PM

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Lipstick? Mascara? These exist to draw attention to certain facial features. I know men with luscious, bee-stung lips. Red or hot pink simply would enhance them. Would these men be OK if they wore lipstick? And certain men's eyes ... why not some mascara, some eyeliner, to emphasize their beauty? Nothing wrong there, as long as they don't look foolish, right? Oh? They still don't look right? Why?

Because most of us have absorbed the idea that it's okay to look foolish if you're a woman but not okay if you're a man. A woman will wear a loony outfit (and anything that is "in fashion" now will look loony in five years) and if people complain she'll just tell them she's not doing it for their benefit anyway.

If you're a man, you are supposed to dress to conform, and failing to do so marks you as a traitor to the cause. You cannot wear makeup, tutus, or even the wrong colour tie until the hive mind convenes and declares it to be acceptable.

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RE: feminization - 1/31/2009 6:08:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nikitaa

If the man likes wearing these clothes too much then I push his limits by taking him to car wash late in night and he can wash my car while he dressed as cheerleader. <-------I have not done this but I will soon to someone. :-)

Just a note of caution here. A man dressed en'femme in public can engender mild to extreme reactions from those around - especially male persons. Realize that if you are responsible for a submissive male being in a public place dressed...you are also at least partially responsible for his safety where ever you choose to take him. A car wash in New York late at night is not anywhere I would want to be dressed female.

The idea of car wash late at night is no one will see us. I do not want to embarrass sub or myself in front of others. I would choose lonely car wash in suburbs on other side of bridge in New Jersey. I like threat of maybe someone driving by and seeing "something odd." lol We can jump in the car if someone drive up. Then we zooooommmm away laughing.

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RE: feminization - 1/31/2009 7:37:00 PM

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For Me it depends on the slave.

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RE: feminization - 1/31/2009 8:05:53 PM

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LMAO!!!

Just read Nikitaa's profile, and she is fuckin ("fucking"/curse slang) awesome! That broken English with stuff like, "How is not your business," I fuckin love it!

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RE: feminization - 2/1/2009 1:29:54 AM

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i agree Ms Nikitaa dose sound like she knows and understand what sub males seek just the mind control or thought of being pub lic public while dress that alone is a humiliation i sure many sub male have dreamed of or fantsized about and to do it that would be even better and yes late at nite with the risks lower sure that the idea its all about the mnd fuck and control and the thoguth or humiliation of it . bows too her she has bene the only Mistress here hose not realy flames any subs for there kinks

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RE: feminization - 2/1/2009 4:58:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: Nikitaa

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ORIGINAL: iwearpanties

Hello Nikitaa

i think you are one of the frist if not the only Dome Female here that is it this type of play or sessions not many are and you seem too very open minded on this subject its an honor too read your postings and to have you here .

I think many dominatrix on collarme open minded (some not). Some maybe just do not like your fetish. I have preference for other kinky ideas. I like to walk and trample my toy and do more secret things. I use woman's clothes because I think is difficult for man to resist my power and orders while he standing in front of me in my bra and panties. Man can not show toughness and act powerful while he is dressed this way. This makes easier to pull his hair as if he is sissy girl. Then knock him down and trample him.

I do not dress men this way because I want to make them cute (or ugly) woman. I do because I can control men easier when they feel powerless and embarrassed. If the man likes wearing these clothes too much then I push his limits by taking him to car wash late in night and he can wash my car while he dressed as cheerleader. <-------I have not done this but I will soon to someone. :-)

I like the way you think, Nikitaa. You seem to have a very good handle on a lot of issues. And you're making me think about how often I can make the trip between Boston and NY.

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RE: feminization - 2/1/2009 5:14:30 AM

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hey hard have you noticed she the only one whos been and is open too this ?

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RE: feminization - 2/1/2009 5:33:23 AM

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I have always enjoyed dressing my subs in female clothing and applying make up on them. I enjoy it, that is why I do it. I want them to look and feel pretty in their clothing and make up. Beautiful is the word that I would use to describe. I see a transformation come over them, as their inner beauty comes shining through. They feel pretty, therefore they ARE pretty. If I have a 'macho' sub, and I dress him and apply make up, suddenly, he is not so macho anymore, he is the perfect lady. Not that I am looking for a female submissive, but rather, I am looking for a male who enjoys being my female for a few hours. I don't do it for the humiliation aspect of it. How can it be humiliating when both of us enjoy it so much?

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RE: feminization - 2/1/2009 5:48:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: iwearpanties

i agree Ms Nikitaa dose sound like she knows and understand what sub males seek just the mind control or thought of being pub lic public while dress that alone is a humiliation i sure many sub male have dreamed of or fantsized about and to do it that would be even better and yes late at nite with the risks lower sure that the idea its all about the mnd fuck and control and the thoguth or humiliation of it . bows too her she has bene the only Mistress here hose not realy flames any subs for there kinks

If you were submissive I own I would force you to write 1000 pages of paragraphs using PERIODS.

I do not wish to continue to read your post when your sentences do not stop. I will not read any post from you without periods.

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RE: feminization - 2/1/2009 6:39:09 AM

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Here is my take on this..A lot of people have talked about how they humilate the male sub is to dress them in womens clothes. While this may be true for that person, I do not think we can generalize that stereotype. There are always exceptions to the rule. I believe that clothes can make a person, but a person makes a person in their core before the clothes go on, for example, personnelly I find that I become more empowered wearing the clothes, especially if the selection is right. The more extreme the clothes, the more I am in control. For a person who is sub at the core they would only get more submissive with the clothes, while you can do the exact opposite with a person with a stronger more confident core.
Now to answer the original question. Yes, I do like having a feminized submissive and think there is some fun to be had when working with them.
I hope this may provide some insight from one who dresses and is not a submissive. Thank you for your time.

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RE: feminization - 2/1/2009 7:47:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: MsKaraZ

Here is my take on this..A lot of people have talked about how they humilate the male sub is to dress them in womens clothes. While this may be true for that person, I do not think we can generalize that stereotype. There are always exceptions to the rule. I believe that clothes can make a person, but a person makes a person in their core before the clothes go on, for example, personnelly I find that I become more empowered wearing the clothes, especially if the selection is right. The more extreme the clothes, the more I am in control. For a person who is sub at the core they would only get more submissive with the clothes, while you can do the exact opposite with a person with a stronger more confident core.
Now to answer the original question. Yes, I do like having a feminized submissive and think there is some fun to be had when working with them.
I hope this may provide some insight from one who dresses and is not a submissive. Thank you for your time.

I understand this and you make good post. I am referring to the average man. From reading my messages I note many men enjoy wearing woman's clothes and I could not take their power from them this way or punish them for reality because I would only give them what they choose. I would need to seek other punishments.

If my mouse toy behaves badly and I am in good mood I will give him kinky punishment he secretly desires. I would force him into my bra and panties and mock him (and do other secret stuff).

If the my mouse toy behaves badly and I become annoyed for reality then I will give him too much of the punishment he craves. I have ideas.

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