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RE: Gay marriage - 10/24/2008 12:36:22 PM

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*gives you great big huggles*

You can thank my Mimi for the cheek bones. She had killer ones.

I think once we get peoples hands off of our personal sex lives, and what we wish to do with our bodies this world will be a much much better place.

As some have pointed out those who scream for less govt are the first ones to want regualtions on everyones lives.

where are they when we want to give more money to schools, fire depts, or police departments to help nurture and keep our families and children safe?

Oh yes.. they are screaming for us to lower taxes, and to hell with schools, fire and police dpeartments.

In our county we lost schools, police, and fire rescue so these same idjits would save $200.

It just pisses me off.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/24/2008 4:00:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: VampGoddess

Just thought I'd share this...

12 Reasons Same-Sex Marriage will Ruin Society...

Homosexuality is not natural,
.....much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.

Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children.
.....Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children.

Obviously gay parents will raise gay children
.....because straight parents only raise straight children.

Straight marriage will be less meaningful,
......since Britney Spears's 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time,
...... and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal.

Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts,
......because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.

Gay marriage is not supported by religion.
........In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.

Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay,
......in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.

Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets
......because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.

Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home.
.......That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time,
.........and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.

Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better,
.......because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.

Just thought I'd point out this list is meant in a satirical/sarcastic spirit... the responses being sarcastic answers to the typical complaints anti-same-sex marriage people express.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/24/2008 4:07:03 PM

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loved that list, Vamp :)

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/24/2008 4:13:02 PM

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beargonewild...Homosexuality is a mistake of nature in the same way as a child born without arms and legs...or retarded..or autistic. these things have nothing to do with the worth of a person. They are only mistakes as they deviate from the norm and only apply to creation.

There are all manner of people with diseases or conditions caused by mistakes in their gene code... Some of these mistakes become benefits but they are mistakes first...nothing evil...nothing derogatory just a mistake in the code for what ever reason.

Homosexuality in itself does not benefit the continuation of the race anymore than a child without a brain...But the actions of people can and do.

I do understand how words like mistake and error can be used in a derogatory manner... but that is the fault of the person using those words in that manner. But everyone using those words are not bigots.

Butch

By your reasoning... being male is a genetic 'mistake' also. Fetuses start out being female... it is only during the process of gestation that the extra chromosome is either added or not added to make that baby male or keep it in its original form as female.

As for continuation of race, I can never understand why people keep bringing this up. Talking about it as if the human race is in grave danger of going extinct at any time. The world is heavily OVER-populated and we are no where near going extinct for a very very long time. Thus the argument of continuation of race is really irrelevant here.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/24/2008 4:33:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: VampGoddess
By your reasoning... being male is a genetic 'mistake' also. Fetuses start out being female... it is only during the process of gestation that the extra chromosome is either added or not added to make that baby male or keep it in its original form as female.

Whither hast thou derived such falsehoods pray?

For it hath been written in The Letter From The Myoppians of Jericho that the Lord first made Man and thence was woman produced by His likewise grace and power.

Get thee to a nunnery and there make penance unto the Lord!

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/24/2008 5:05:59 PM

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I will be voting No on this Amendment..for two reasons.

1. Equal Rights means EQAUL RIGHTS for ALL not just I get all my rights and you because your are gay or your eyes are wrong or your IQ is wrong or your skin is wrong or your accent is wrong only get some of them, and only the ones I want you to have.

2. Because I see absolutely no reason that Gays and Lesbians should not have just as much fun as we do being married, paying taxes, getting health insurance or paying for Divorce Lawyers as the rest of us, not to mention Alimony and Child Support where warranted.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 8:27:21 AM

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By your reasoning... being male is a genetic 'mistake' also. Fetuses start out being female... it is only during the process of gestation that the extra chromosome is either added or not added to make that baby male or keep it in its original form as female.

My genuis sons tell me that being one gender of the other actually CAN be a mistake of nature.
In school, we are taught that the father's sperm determines the gender of the child. However, apparently, (and, quite logically) what it actually determines is the gender of the genetic code.
The fetus 'should' follow the genetic code and 'become' that gender - however, science apparently now knows that all SORTS of things can interfere in that process.
Apparently there is a group of Inuits in Alaska that have been having almost exclusely female children for over a decade now. They don't know why, for sure - but they do know that about half of the children have Male DNA.
They do know at what point in the fetal devolopment gender diffrenciation happens, so the theory is that at or prior to that time, there is something in either the enviroment (like polution) or a change in the groups diet, that is causing it. Anyway, that is the two most popular theories of right now.
Can these women marry? (no, not a serious question.. I mean in the eyse of our local bigots. But, perhaps the answer is.. sure, as long as they can procreate...)

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 8:29:40 AM

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Get thee to a nunnery and there make penance unto the Lord!

WOW, I didn't know the Lord accepted that kind of penance! I gotta change religions!

(for those reading who happen not to be Bard Geeks: 'Get thee to a nunnery is of course a Shakespeare quote. And what was understood by all viewers of his time was that it was a euphemism for a whorehouse. )

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 9:48:48 AM

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beargonewild...Homosexuality is a mistake of nature in the same way as a child born without arms and legs...or retarded..or autistic. these things have nothing to do with the worth of a person. They are only mistakes as they deviate from the norm and only apply to creation.

this reply is for kdsub

a minor born without limbs ...having mental disablilities etc etc - is a mistake of nature? since when was the human body designed and created to be perfect? yes medical science today can provide that however would i want perfection or would i prefer what i was intended to be a mother to? i would take the latter.

i'm a mother of a beautiful young lady who is bi. it neither shocked or surprised me - i embraced and support her choice. i'm proud of her ...she has overcome some major tough obstacles in the last 8 yrs such as mental disability.

if she should ever want to have a same sex marriage, you betcha i'm going to be there to support her on the happiest day of her life.

if she should ever want to adopt minors, yes, i'll support her all the way.

she deserves the same rights as any other couple does.

you see, kdsub, you sound like my father who wanted to Bible slap his own granddaughter when she came out to him. he feels she's going through a phase - and this is coming from a man who was never around when i was my daughter's age. you like him are afraid ...afraid of change ...afraid of being outside the "norm".

perhaps you should take a walk in gay person's shoes for a day ...you'll see they are simply ordinary people like you and me. nothing has really changed about them ...just their sexual preferences.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 12:36:52 PM

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sambamanslilgirl... did you not read the second sentence?... the normal girl and boy has all their arms and legs.. is not autistic...is not retarded...and is NOT bi or gay...That is the average or norm.

Then did you not read where I said these mistakes or deviations from the norm have NOTHING to do with the WORTH of a person?

Do not read something into my words that are not there.

Now tell me you can't read my profile...look at my avatar and guess at what shoes I wear.

Butch

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 1:57:03 PM

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I don't know about your shoes, but your avatar always distracts me because, in a freak accident of nature, you were, oddly, born without an ass. Which, I have to say, is neither the norm nor the average...

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 3:53:22 PM

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I don't know about your shoes, but your avatar always distracts me because, in a freak accident of nature, you were, oddly, born without an ass. Which, I have to say, is neither the norm nor the average...

Yes there was a mistake there...and it is very damn inconvenient...

edited to add damn

Butch

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 4:16:16 PM

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General Reply...

I still don't understand the objection, to simply removing government from marriage. And letting them handle contracts only, that seems really simple, and solves all the problems.

Is it just because people want the word marriage attached to their legal contract? As that seems shallow, if the intent is to get fair benefits. Also all you'd have to do is go to a gay friendly church to get married, there are plenty of them now.

So, just get government out of the marriage business. Why is that unacceptable.

Can someone explain that to me?

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 4:50:10 PM

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Yes, NTUY, I can.
The general populace is not going to accept removing the word 'marriage' from the title of what it is that hetromonos do. They want to keep calling it "marriage"
You are right, the easiest thing to do is to call it by another name, for everyone.
But if you call it one thing for gays, and another for hetromonos (or, as someone here actually suggested, hetromonos who can and intend to have children) - then, trust me, there will be no equal rights.
What other purpose could there be, to differant names, but to discriminate?

And how is it so bad, having different bathrooms for some folks? it's all equal....

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 5:23:51 PM

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only the first part of what was quoted interested me because i have a daughter who is (as you so plainly and rudely put it) retarded.

everything else didn't warrant any other response from me.

therefore i neither care to view your profile, pictures and/or shoes.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 5:31:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne My question is, How can so many people who want the government out of things decide it is ok for the government to legislate something so personal as marriage?

To eat their cake and have it to. They don't really believe in smaller, less intrusive government. They know their beliefs are not popular, and know that they would be restricted under many circumstances. They only want the rights of OTHER people restricted.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 5:46:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: Thunderbird56 What authority does the "state" have to intercede into my marriage? The answer is NONE! How do they even justify a marriage license? I'm single, but if and when I choose to marry it will be an agreement, a contract, between me and my partner...

Actually, our civil courts exist almost entirely to help in the adjudication and enforcement of contracts.

That said, I would like to see the state get out of the marriage biz entirely, and into the biz of civil-unions. A civil-union could be an entirely secular, contractual agreement, to which the terms must be agreed specifically and entirely. In no other area of law can a contract of such potential value be considered enforceable without specificity and agreement to terms. Then religious bodies could claim domain over marriage. People can choose one or both options, but ONLY civil-unions would have rights and responsibilities enforceable under the law. A marriage would be like baptism, confirmation or bar miztvah- important religious rites that matter only within the context of the religious community, but have no specific legal ramifications associated.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 5:58:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: auroraborealis Why is Marriage a Het word only to used by them?

Its actually latin. I think only citizens of Rome should be able to use it. The rest of us should have to make up new words, and then fight to have those words recognized in the state constitution. Frenchy and I like to say we got "marred", not married.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 6:10:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: VampGoddess By your reasoning... being male is a genetic 'mistake' also. Fetuses start out being female... it is only during the process of gestation that the extra chromosome is either added or not added to make that baby male or keep it in its original form as female.

It is not an EXTRA chromosome that determines gender - male, female and transgendered have 46, by the combination of 23 from the ovum and 23 from the sperm. An actual extra chromosome produces Downs Syndrome. It is the presence of the Y chromosome that signals hormone production that causes the development of male gonads from the original "default" female gonads.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/25/2008 7:01:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

only the first part of what was quoted interested me because i have a daughter who is (as you so plainly and rudely put it) retarded.

everything else didn't warrant any other response from me.

therefore i neither care to view your profile, pictures and/or shoes.

Your not the only one with tragedies in their families so get off your high horse...I choose to keep mine private instead of the “look at me feel sorry for me” crap you put out.

Retarded means "underdeveloped mentally" if you want to make that a derogatory word that is on you...I did not use it that way and you know it.
Butch

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