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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:47:08 PM   
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Bullshit: I love life.

The colon is used to indicate that what follows is an elaboration or summation of what precedes.
 
"I love life" is bullshit? 
 
Just flirting.
 
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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:47:09 PM   
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Since you believe abortion should be illegal, what do you propose as a solution to the increase in unwanted children which would be the result? According to adopt.org, there are more than 134,000 children in the US waiting to be adopted as it is.

Fix the adoption process.  Prospective adoptive parents often wait years.  The whole process is a mess from start to finish; it's costly, inefficient, and ineffective.


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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:47:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Philosophy - I like your take on this.  I think of it this way:  Virtue is not the lack of choice.  Virtue is having a choice and choosing according to your own moral code.  The lack of opertunity does not make virtuous people.  That being said, I am proudly pro-choice and guess what my pro-choice agenda is -- abolishing the need for abortion.  There are many complex reasons women chose to abort a fetus and generally those reasons are more complex than a set of sound-bites, judements, and condemnations can articulate.

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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:48:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		It comes with the female territory: but it does kinda suck a little bit to hear that you're little more than a murdering death loving monster because you've had to terminate a pregnancy. Still, their opinion engages only them... and I think philo's hit the nail on the head: five states have the overturn of R vs W on their ballot papers.



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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:49:43 PM   
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if it is to be done it should be done in a clean, sterile, SAFE environment

There is no "safe" environment for an abortion.  The process is intrinsically lethal to the fetus.  Killing and "safe" are mutually exclusive concepts.


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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:49:55 PM   
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Bullshit: I love life.

The colon is used to indicate that what follows is an elaboration or summation of what precedes.
 
"I love life" is bullshit?
 
Just flirting.
 
K.
 


Nah, in that particular case I used the colon in order to give both segments on either sides of it more weight. A semi would have been too limp, and I didn't feel like taking out the Viagra.



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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:50:02 PM   
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Ok, CL.. so what you're saying... outlaw abortion. thus sending the women who are going to do it anyway into non-medical situations, to have abortions done by people who may or may not have the knowledge and skill to do it properly, in a place that may or may not be sterile, with equipment that may or may not be sterile (or proper) so that we can return to the days when women bled to death from botched abortions?


Yeah, sounds pro-life to me.

(someone catch my eyes, please, before they roll out the door)


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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:50:15 PM   
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Fix the adoption process.  Prospective adoptive parents often wait years.  The whole process is a mess from start to finish; it's costly, inefficient, and ineffective.

This however does not address the growing research that indicates that women who give their children up for adoption suffer emotional trauma.  This research has shown that the trauma is excessive and long-lasting.  I dont' know if that matters at all if you're only looking at an issue from an ideological point of view (i.e. it's just wrong or god says it's wrong).

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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:52:03 PM   
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if it is to be done it should be done in a clean, sterile, SAFE environment

There is no "safe" environment for an abortion.  The process is intrinsically lethal to the fetus.  Killing and "safe" are mutually exclusive concepts.



Celtic i think the point that was being made is . these women are going to have abortions for whatever their reasons. is it  not better to do it in a safe sterile environment that does not risk the mothers life?

or would it be preferable if awoman having an abortion die along with the fetus?


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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:52:36 PM   
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if it is to be done it should be done in a clean, sterile, SAFE environment

There is no "safe" environment for an abortion.  The process is intrinsically lethal to the fetus.  Killing and "safe" are mutually exclusive concepts.





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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:53:16 PM   
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To be fair,pro-life/anti-abortion types use a reasoning that transcends human law and cultural norms,earthly precepts and even human existence.And that`s ok.

When and what the courts calls someone human, doesn`t play into it much.That`s ok.

For them,god`s law,natural law,their beliefs transcend man`s written law.And that ok too.

There`s not many things I can argue about with folks who feel this way.

As someone who`s against abortion(but doesn`t want it out-lawed),I can`t fault someone for wanted it out-lawed.

But I can fault them for not addressing the consequences of making abortion illegal.

Topics I find little interest in dealing with, when discussing this.

I wish that weren`t the case.

But when I`m called pro-murderer(pro-choicer) by a pro coat-hanger-abortion supporter(pro-lifer),the debate kinda dies.

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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:54:05 PM   
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Being pro-life means that you think the secular government shouldn't sanction feticide.

There are obviously ways to terminate a pregnancy without legal abortion. Women have done that for millenia. In fact, a pennyroyal concoction is a bit more dangerous, and really presses home the gravity of the choice you're making - kinda like being kicked out of a garden with no security. If you're following that analogy, that is.


You'd be out of step with most anti-abortion folks.  Pennyroyal is an abortifacient - the herbal equivalent of the Morning After pill.  It seems from what you've said above that you're okay with women having abortions as long as it's illegal and the woman is taking her life in her hands by attempting it.  Am I misunderstanding?

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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:56:21 PM   
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or would it be preferable if awoman having an abortion die along with the fetus?


For some it would be..... to teach women to keep their legs closed!!
Having had an ectopic pregnancy rupture my tubes, Im not too keen on repeating that
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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:56:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's the second time a woman argues that abortion should remain dangerous and medically unsafe on this board, so that "it makes the woman 'think twice about doing it'". It's troubling, but hey... as long as they don't get in my face when I'm skipping happily over to the clinic...

Edited to clarify and to make sure Kirata keeps on flirting with me.

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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:57:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am of the opinion that the farther the US has gotten away from the regularity of women dying from botched abortions (you know not just those "bad" kind of women but daughters, wives, sisters, friends) the more anti-choice people get.  I see this phenomina in young women in particular.  Frankly, I don't know if I'd ever get an abortion, but I'd hate to think that I would never have the choice should it need to be made.  And by choice I mean, well thought out reasoning based on my personal understanding of my situation and circumstance. 

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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:58:40 PM   
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Nah, in that particular case I used the colon in order to give both segments on either sides of it more weight. A semi would have been too limp, and I didn't feel like taking out the Viagra.

I could comment, but...
 
Bullshit! I love life.
 
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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:59:19 PM   
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if it is to be done it should be done in a clean, sterile, SAFE environment

There is no "safe" environment for an abortion.  The process is intrinsically lethal to the fetus.  Killing and "safe" are mutually exclusive concepts.



They are speaking of the life and health of the woman and that legal abortion make abortions safe.

But you know that.

Not sure you`re looking for solutions

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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 5:59:45 PM   
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or would it be preferable if awoman having an abortion die along with the fetus?


For some it would be..... to teach women to keep their legs closed!!
Having had an ectopic pregnancy rupture my tubes, Im not too keen on repeating that
Lucy

Sadly, I think it's a sex negative morality tale.  You don't get to have sex without all those possible consequences.  Sex is DANGEROUS.

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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 6:06:38 PM   
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Since you believe abortion should be illegal, what do you propose as a solution to the increase in unwanted children which would be the result? According to adopt.org, there are more than 134,000 children in the US waiting to be adopted as it is.

Fix the adoption process.  Prospective adoptive parents often wait years.  The whole process is a mess from start to finish; it's costly, inefficient, and ineffective.



And how many have you adopted?

The answer will match exactly with your credibilty on the subject.

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RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian - 10/27/2008 6:06:51 PM   
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or would it be preferable if awoman having an abortion die along with the fetus?


For some it would be..... to teach women to keep their legs closed!!
Having had an ectopic pregnancy rupture my tubes, Im not too keen on repeating that
Lucy

Sadly, I think it's a sex negative morality tale.  You don't get to have sex without all those possible consequences.  Sex is DANGEROUS.


trouble is my generation still remembers girls heading to the UK for abortions in unsafe clinics , comming back on the ferry to NO aftercare , where they couldnt tell their doctors about the abortion , and sometimes dying from complications. and everyone knew these storys and girls still went

sorry folks these Women are going to have abortions. even if you make it a death sentance crime or life imprisonment for having an abortion some still will risk it. for them the alternative is worse.


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