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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/1/2008 4:14:17 PM   
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Dominant - The one holding the authority in a relationship that is focused in some way on an imbalance of power.

Submissive - The one giving up authority in a relationship is focused in some way on an imbalance of power.

Master - Same as above, but communicates some higher degree of imbalance of power. (I personally don't use Master in reference to myself out out of ego reasons, but use slave in it's absence to attempt to communicate the focus on a higher degree of imbalance of power).

Slave - Same as submissive, but communicates some higher degree of imbalance of power.

Top - The person performing some action that is sexual or sensual in nature.

Bottom - The person receiving some action that is sexual or sensual in nature.

D/S - A relationship with a focus on some degree of imbalance of power.

M/S - Same as D/S, but communicates a higher degree of imbalance of power.

BDSM - A label used to identify activities or relationships that fall under the umbrella of Bonda
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

After baring witness to some one hundred definition threads here on Collarme.com over the last two years, I have come to learn one thing and one thing only....

There is no difference between a slave and submissive.
There is no difference between a Master and dominant.
There is no difference between M/S and D/S.
There is no difference between vanilla and BDSM.

I get that.

It's understood.

We're all just one big huge collection of organic molecules, living, breathing and holding hands with no universal differences or inequalities to fight over.

There is no need to rehash that here.

But...

Despite that fact, I still see people using these dichotomies in their writings on these boards to communicate what seems to be some ambiguously different concepts.

So given that, I think it's evident that, even though we cannot come to terms with an universal definition, we, as individuals, have noted or established some general differences in our personal experiences and have assigned those differences to these words.

If not, wouldn't it be more productive to just leave blank spaces in between the verbs in order to save on bandwidth and typing time?

Taking that a step further and asserting that these general and individual differences do exist (Don't freak out! Stay with me here!), wouldn't it be productive and beneficial if we had one thread where we attempted to share those differences without going to logical nihilism in order to better learn about the wide variety of philosophies and unique relationships out there? Imagine...a thread with some education value for newbies beyond simply "There is no difference. Your stupid for even thinking that."

Hell, if we make an effort to speak in terms of "In my lifestyle.." or "In my personal experiences..." or "According to my definitions..." and avoid taking offense simply because someone sees our chosen label differently then we do, we might be able to get through this without pixed blood being spilled on the Ethernet.

I think we can make it through one general definition thread without the Online Oracles of O and the Pixed Prefects of Perversion duking it out in a flame war over who has the "Twuest definition."

I have hope. I have faith.

So let me get us started....

These are the definitions I associate with the following words and am attempting to communicate when I write. They are also the assumption I make when other people use the words unless otherwise specified. (Note the bolded I's. Very important if your still having some inclination of ripping them apart for their unpolitically correctness.)

Dominant - The one holding the authority in a relationship that is focused in some way on an imbalance of power.

Submissive - The one giving up authority in a relationship is focused in some way on an imbalance of power.

Master - Same as above, but communicates some higher degree of imbalance of power. (I personally don't use Master in reference to myself out out of ego reasons, but use slave in it's absence to attempt to communicate the focus on a higher degree of imbalance of power).

Slave - Same as submissive, but communicates some higher degree of imbalance of power.

Top - The person performing some action that is sexual or sensual in nature.

Bottom - The person receiving some action that is sexual or sensual in nature.

D/S - A relationship with a focus on some degree of imbalance of power.

M/S - Same as D/S, but communicates a higher degree of imbalance of power.

BDSM - A label used to identify activities or relationships that fall under the umbrella of Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, Submission, Sadism, Masochism as well as a label used to identify people who identify with the alternative sexualities fringe community.
 
Vanilla - A label used to identify people who's lifestyles and relationships don't identify with the alternative sexuality fringe community and activities that fall outside the umbrella of BDSM.

I would love to hear about your definitions.

 



I think you pretty much sum up my "ideas" of what each word is defined as, but I was never quite clear that some saw slight differences between Master/Dominant/Top slave/submissive/bottom.

So seeing someone define them, the way they seem them is good. I'm a novice, so I'm always interested in reading other's perspectives.

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/1/2008 4:52:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Just asking for the benefit of discussion, what are the qualifications?


A proven track record in their chosen area. Obviously there are no formal qualifications as such but would you agree though that many people can tie someone up but few can make it a sensual experience? I would classify such a person as a Master in that area. I see dominant as simply what desire that person has in terms of the role they want to play. These are my definitions and understandings from what I have learnt thus far, other people will have other ideas I'm sure.

The M/s stuff has a different meaning for Master but I’m not sure it has any distinction from just Dominant in that sense. I don’t really see the distinction between D/s and M/s but I don’t use the word Master above in terms of the M/s dynamic that is a whole other kettle of fish.


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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/1/2008 5:21:35 PM   
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I guess I would agree with everyone's definitions although I would add the word "perceived" to each one as a caveat.

For example a Dominant is the one that is perceived to hold the authority in a relationship and the submissive is the one perceived to be giving up authority in a relationship etc. Because in the end these are only labels and cannot be taken at face value unless we truly know the people behind them.

I also think it is always a problem When you seek to define, because you inevitably end up putting  people into boxes, regardless of your good intentions.


Good post! 



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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/1/2008 5:23:56 PM   
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I'll play along also.

These are MY interpertations of each of the words as I would apply them to myself and any relationship I may have.

Dominant: a personality trait  given to a male or female which shows an ability to control situations or others with words or actions.
submissive: a personality trait given to those ( male or female ) who prefer to let others 'lead' or take control of situations or actions.
Master: a title of respect given to a male who is the dominant personality in a relationship.
Mistress: a title of respect given to a female who is the dominant personality in a relationship; this term I would also apply to any female in a relationship with a Dominant male ( usually reserved for FC in my vocabulary )
slave: a title given to a human being, male or female, who has consented to becoming the property of another.
top: a term used to identify a person who plays, for a short time, at being the dominant in a scene.
bottome: a term used to identify a person who plays, for a short time, at being the submissive in a scene.
scene: a term used to identify a form of role play that lasts for a specified amount of tme only.
D/s ( Dominant and submissive ) a term used to identify a relationship dynamic that expresses what those within the relationship identify as.
M/s ( Master and slave ): a term used to identify a relationship dynamic that expresses what those within the relationship identify as.
BDSM : An abbreviation for Bondage, Dominance, Sado-Masochism: used specifically to explain a form of role play only.
vanilla: a term used to identify those who vocally state that they do not participate in BDSM

Now, because my past experience is specifically with that of the Gorean lifestyle, I am going to light the fire here and explain my meanings for the  definitions within there

All definitions that I have already listed apply with the addition of these:
 
Gorean: a male who identifies with a different way of living; based upon a fictional world; but applies those rules to coincide with those of reality.
FC ( Free Companion ): a submissive female  who is in a relationship with a Gorean male but is only submissive to that male. Within that relationship, to outsiders, she is of equal standing; granting her the title of Mistress.
owned slave: a female who is the property of another
unowned slave: a female who while unowned, is a slave at heart. She is submissive to all males and FC's; and therefore follows their dictates.


Hmm, I think I got them all.


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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/2/2008 1:42:14 AM   
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To all who posted definitions, thank you.

I am a novice and found your definitions very helpful.

I have a question thought. Couple of posters described M/s as Master slave.
Now I understand that a slave could be a male or female. What about the word Master?

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/2/2008 4:29:12 AM   
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dreamysub, since the Op was asking for peoples personal opinions, mine own pretty much follows Wiki. According to what I looked up most peoples opinions are quite altered to personally wants/needs.

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A dominatrix (from the Latin dominatrix, meaning a female ruler or Mistress; plural dominatrices or dominatrixes) or Mistress is a woman who takes the dominant role in bondage and discipline, dominance and submission or BDSM. The counterpart term for a male dominant is "Master". A common form of address for a submissive to a dominatrix is "Mistress", "Ma'am", "Domina" or "Maîtresse". Note that a dominatrix does not necessarily dominate a male partner; a dominatrix may well have female submissives.
The term "Domme" (pronounced /ˈdɒm/) is a coined pseudo-French female variation of the slang dom (short for dominant). It stems from the Latin words "dominus" = master, "domina" = mistress. The pronunciation is identical to the term "dom", by analogy to one-syllable French-derived words like femme or blonde.



Disclaimer: This post was made in response to the post made by dreamysubmale and is based on my opinion and experiences only.

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/2/2008 5:22:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dreamysubmale

To all who posted definitions, thank you.

I am a novice and found your definitions very helpful.

I have a question thought. Couple of posters described M/s as Master slave.
Now I understand that a slave could be a male or female. What about the word Master?


Just switch it to Mistress /Slave and you are pretty much there.  People only concentrate on Master because of the amount of posters posting here are dominately hetro and female s-types.
 
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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/2/2008 5:28:57 AM   
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Not to throw a wrench into the works, here are some stray thoughts:
 
'Vanilla' is meaningless to anyone who isn't reasonably aquainted with BDSM; it is not the case that my friends from 'before' would ever say to me or anyone else "I am vanilla' and mean to convey something about their personal lives.  It is a term we, who are 'into' BDSM, use to describe everyone who is not.
 
'Leather folks' means a group of post-WW II gay men who, having come home from the war, sought excitment and freedom by a variety of means, including riding motorcycles and being somewhat open about being gay.  Ergo, unless you happen to be over, what?  75?, you are not a member of this group.
 
"The Lifestyle' and all its synonymns does not have meaning for all of us.  My whole entire life is not spent or affected by my view of myself as uncollared submissive.  All that has really changed, apart from making some terrific friends and learning a great deal about human sexuality, is that I have altered my receptivity to the men I meet;  if I don't happen to find them to be Doms, I am not interested in pursuing an intimate relationship.  I have never defined myself principally by my relationship to my lover, and do not now.
 
The reason slave and submissive are chronically debated and lines drawn or erased is because for some members, a slave is someone who seeks to be objectified and treated as less than human, whie to others, a slave is just a very, very willing submissive.  The difference is very important -- the references are to two very different types of relationship rewards.
 
I have never before heard that a Domme is a Dom-light.  I thought we pretty much had agreed the word is meant to designate one who is both dominanat and female.
 
"Scene', 'session', 'play', etc. are sexual for some and not for others.  I dunno why we cannot accept this and move past it.  Neither those who view these terms as sexual nor those who do not are 'superior' in some way.
 
I disagree that the words submissive or slave only describe a role within a relationship.  It is as much an orientation as is dominant.
 
Master is a claim made by a man (or woman), just as Mistress is by a woman.  It cannot be anything else.  There will never be a time when we all agree who possesses the necessary charateristics to be 'awarded an honorific', or even what those characteristics are.
 
Not every submissive or slave is also a masochist, and not every Dom or Domme is a sadist.  And not every masochist is a submissive or slave, nor is every sadist a dominant. 
 
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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/2/2008 5:31:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: candystripper

'Vanilla' is meaningless to anyone who isn't reasonably aquainted with BDSM;

I dont think thats entirely true, though vanilla to the non-acquainted usually just means boring and plain. It can be used to describe just about anything. Things like having a very vanilla car since you cant afford a souped up one, or seeing a beautiful woman with an average looking man and he is refered to as her vanilla partner.
Granted I still do a doubletake when I hear it, but I do hear it pretty often out here.

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/2/2008 6:31:23 AM   
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Top; one who controls the scene for play only.
 
Bottom; one who submits during the scene only
 
Sadist; one who enjoys inflicting pain
 
Masochist; one who enjoys receiving pain
 
Dom/Domme; the one who dominates, the one who is in control of, is responsible for, gives orders and direction to the sub/slave. This is something they are, a personality type, not just something they do only in the bedroom. A Dom/Domme is what they are whether or not they currently own a sub or slave.
 
Master/Mistress, is one who is dom/domme and currently owns a submissive or a slave. It is a title bestowed on them by virtue of such ownership.
 
Switch; one who can either top or bottom during play or a scene.
 
Submissive; one who yields power or control to the dominant on a limited basis both during day to day life and during scening or playing.
Or one whose nature is submissive, one may be a submissive whether or not they currently are submitting to a dominant, it is what they naturally are.
 
Slave; one who yields control of all aspects of their existence to the dominant within the limits agreed upon prior to being collared. One who is considered to be owned by another as their sole property. One whose submission to their owner/s is total, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in and out of any scenes or play.


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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/2/2008 3:13:58 PM   
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Thanks for all the contributions. Not a bad thread at all.

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/2/2008 3:43:04 PM   
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I agree, its been interesting to see how people define various things, the different POVs involved.

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/2/2008 4:10:49 PM   
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Ok, here are the terms, as I use (or don't use) them, and a few more that we use in our household that aren't typical of the larger part of the community:

Dominant - Leader, guide, controlling entity.

Keeper - A dominant member of our household who has accepted responsibility for the management, control, and well-being of our household and those who serve within it.

Submissive - follower, entity being controlled.

Servant - a submissive member of our household who yields some measure of hir life/time to caring for the household.

Bond servant- a submissive member of the household who has entered into a contract by which xhe yields up hir -self-, in all ways for the good of the household, under an agreed term of service. During said term of service, the bond servant both servant and house agree that the contract may not be terminated, except in the case of health issues that both sides agree will void the agreement. Common terms such as TPE and full-immersion can be used to describe this relationship.

Master - Individual members of our household may choose to use this designation with our household's servants and bond-servants

Slave - our household does not use this term, but its equivalent terminology is likely comparative to the bond-servant.

Top - Person acting on another, in the performance of a fetish activity -- the individual in control of the active materials of a given scene. In our household, typically designates activities done during a play session with or by someone not a House member.

Bottom - The person accepting another's actions -- the individual on the receiving end of the active materials of a scene. In our household, typically designates activities done during a play session with or by someone not a House member.

D/S - A relationship with a focus on some degree of imbalance of power. Our household typically only uses this term when speaking with those outside of the household.

M/S - Same as D/S, but communicates a higher degree of imbalance of power. Our household typically only uses this term when speaking with those outside of the household.

BDSM - A label used to identify activities or relationships that fall under the umbrella of Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, Submission, Sadism, Masochism as well as a label used to identify people who identify with the alternative sexualities fringe community. We also use "kinky", 'fetish', and 'twisted' or 'with a twist'.

Vanilla - A label used to identify people who's lifestyles and relationships don't identify with the alternative sexuality fringe community and activities that fall outside the umbrella of BDSM. I will usually use "mainstreamers" or "mainstream society" rather than 'vanilla'.

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/2/2008 4:49:05 PM   
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Dominant
A) an orientation of personality, expressed by one's authority, leadership and control of one's own life, including the desire to control/lead/have authority over one's surroundings, relationships and others.
 
B) a relationship orientation that includes, or seeks to include, a submissive counterpart.  a dominant personality might be helpful, but is not required. 

Submissive

A) an orientation of personality, expressed by one's subservience, obedience and the surrendering of control to others, with regards to one's own life, surroundings and relationships.
 
B) a relationship orientation that includes, or seeks to include a dominant counterpart.  a submissive personality could be helpful, but is not required.  typically, submissives have limits and negotiate with their dominant counterpart a relationship that limits the dominant from including those things in the relationship.  

Master/Mistress/Dom/me/Owner/Daddy/Mommy/Sir/Lord

an honorific bestowed upon a person  who will (typically, but not always)be the one in authority or control over the relationship between the folks involved. 

Slave

A) a term used by some to indicate a submissive relationship orientation within the context of a Master/slave relationship.
B) a term that causes great distress for some folks (not this slave) because they don't believe consensual slavery exists and it is offensive to them to use the term slave to describe a consensual slave.
C) a term some folks use to describe their personality orientation, that differs from the submissive in that there are no limits to be negotiated with a potential partner.
 
Top
a person performing a sexual/sensational action, which does not require dominance to be enjoyable. 

Bottom

a person on the receiving end of a sexual/sensational action, which does not require submission to be enjoyable.

D/S

A relationship based upon an imbalance of control/authority whereby both parties negotiate the terms of their relationship.

M/S

Similar to D/S, but the slave does not limit the Master or negotiate the terms of the relationship. 

BDSM

An acronym used to identify activities or relationships that include Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism. 
 
Vanilla

A) a label used to describe the conventional version of something, as compared to an "alternative" version of something.  it has applications outside of the comparison between relationship styles, but for the purpose of this slave's "BDSM dictionary", it is used to describe the difference between alternative and conventional relationship styles.  there is NO implication that either is better or worse, only that this slave, personally, has found success in the alternative, as opposed to the vanilla.
 
B) a label used by some (not this slave) as a derogatory way of describing others who aren't into/don't admit living an alternative lifestyle.

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/4/2008 6:27:17 AM   
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Thank you Darcyandthedark, thank you Barelily  :)

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/4/2008 7:19:21 AM   
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quote:

SlyStone Said: 
because you inevitably end up putting  people into boxes, regardless of your good intentions

Labels don't box people, people do. 

More seriously, this is one of the things I find odd here.  In many many other areas of my life, I see people wearing lots and lots of labels and not feeling like that label somehow defined them as a human.  I mean seriously, we all walk around with literally THOUSANDS of them hanging off of us.  All those other labels are not such a problem.  Why are these?

@MadRabbit
The end result of this can be, if you so choose, a detailed discussion on each of these labels, including the political drama surrounding them (as John alludes to with his discussion of sub/slave).  That document, while necessarily not authoritative, would serve as useful grounding to some new person.

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/4/2008 8:23:49 AM   
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Other than it being a very nice taste, i can not get used to the term vanilla to describe a way of living...who on earth came up with it?

I read somewhere that Dominatrix, the pro type, need a special mention too as they are in a league of their own

Also all terms and definitions are very adequately described in 'screw the roses', apparenty advised literature for any newbie and i certainly found it a very entertaining read.

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/4/2008 11:55:10 AM   
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mine is more like to each their own. i call myself a submissive as i dont have the ability to be a slave. my M'Lady calls herself a dominant since she is not just a casual participant. i accept others as they identify themselvs as my labeling them is too much bother.

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/4/2008 1:33:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ranja
I read somewhere that Dominatrix, the pro type, need a special mention too as they are in a league of their own


ranja, your mention of 'pro' Dominatrices deserves a definition rather akin to that; a Dominatrix is a role or a job, but does not necessarily imply/include actually being dominant anywhere outside of work. I've had a few Dominatrix friends who were complete subs IRL.

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RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions - 11/4/2008 7:48:43 PM   
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Been reading all the posts and find them interesting. Could someone please tell me what FR means though? I see it at times in peoples' posts.

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