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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:42:01 PM

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Well, in the case of Great Britain and Australia, they are worse off. The law abiding citizens, or subjects, dutifully turned in their guns, and now only the criminals and the cops have them. I do know that crime rose afterwards in those countries in general. Guns crime is still a problem, surprise surprise. The only difference now is that law abiding people do not have the means to protect themselves.

Well, I have lived in some iffy areas, but can quite honestly say, since I left all that militaristic crap behind twelve years ago, I have never seen a gun, nor have I been shot at. I have seen plenty of knives, but no guns. They are around, I have heard the occaisional shot loosed off, but on the whole, gun crime is pretty low here, compared to other crimes. Often it is those who are prosecuted under gun law have been found in possesion of the things, not actually using them.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:44:43 PM

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Actually, he is on record:
*In an Illinois general candidate questionaire, he favored a ban on all handguns.
*He has supported punitive taxes on firearms and ammo, which in effect is taking the ability of many to buy a gun due to the cost.
*He opposes right to carry laws, as stated in the Chicago Tribune.
*He voted to allow lawsuits against the industry, which would in effect bankrupt the industry, and do what the Congress and courts have not done Senate S 397, vote 219, July 29, 2005

I could go on.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:46:37 PM

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Actually, the NRA did an all out media blast against Obama, stating that he would take away gun right and make it more difficult to purchase firearms.

They've been doing that for at least the last 3 months, sending out mailers to member specifically asking for money to 'fight the liberals and protect your rights'. Sending out blank absentee ballot request forms. They even have Barack Obama on the cover of a monthly magazine they send out (I forget which one, I think American Rifleman).

Folks out there aren't just letting their imaginations run wild, they have one of the most politically influential organizations out there telling them that he's going to take away their guns!

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:48:21 PM

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Crime in general. I read a study done after the gun bans, and crime was clearly up after the bans. Truthfully, in this country, we aren't really talking straight out bans now, with the Supreme Court's ruling that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right. At this point, we are talking about the left nibbling away at the edges with magazine bans, assault rifle bans, going after gun shows, and raising taxes so much that for many, it becomes a ban.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:49:15 PM

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Yes, we have a choice in how we react to simple purchase of firearms. We can be a paniced mob so afraid of the potential for crimes and whatnot or we can take a calmer view and act responsibly.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:50:32 PM

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Well, wouldn't "one handgun a month", "waiting periods", and "huge taxes" qualify as making it more difficult to buy a gun?? Wouldn't banning assault rifles be taking away a right?

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:50:43 PM

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Actually, he is on record:

You're spitting old NRA lies. You should check the facts before making false assertions. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:53:51 PM

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Spitting lies? A vote for a bill is a vote, that is unless you vote present. Being on the record in a newspaper or on a candidate survey is just what it is....its the person's views. Just because you don't like someone calling him on it, there's no need to accuse someone of spitting.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:55:53 PM

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Frothing at the mouth, then. If you check the facts as suggested, you'll see that you've been misled, at the very least. Certainly, you're coming across with tons of generalities and absolutely zilch facts on here. The truth is out there: look for it.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:56:00 PM

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Actually, he is on record:
*In an Illinois general candidate questionaire, he favored a ban on all handguns.
*He has supported punitive taxes on firearms and ammo, which in effect is taking the ability of many to buy a gun due to the cost.
*He opposes right to carry laws, as stated in the Chicago Tribune.
*He voted to allow lawsuits against the industry, which would in effect bankrupt the industry, and do what the Congress and courts have not done Senate S 397, vote 219, July 29, 2005

I could go on.

Actually, why don't you go on with original source materiel, such as the Illinois general candidate questionaire itself, rather than what some blog says that's what he said.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:57:45 PM

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It wasn't put here for debate. Simply to state the fact that military assault rifles were not created to hunt Bambi. Unless the deer are shooting back.

Impress me with a 12 point rack that was shot with an arrow, or your grandfathers single shot rifle. Personally, I don't see the need for hunters to use something that was intended for warfare.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 6:58:06 PM

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1. Obama has never indicated he would take away anybody's gun, so everybody calm down and get those rifles back in the vaults where they belong: he ain't takin' them away anytime soon.

NRA propaganda or not, I work with some rednecks who are going out and stocking up on guns and ammo specifically because they think Obama intends to make it more difficult to purchase firearms and ammo.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 7:00:19 PM

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Who says this group you cite tells the truth? They might have an agenda of their own. All I know is what I have seen of his voting and interview record.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 7:01:24 PM

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Many years ago I used to do pistol shooting, walther pp being my favourite, the law came in, law abiding citizens were stopped, a bugbear for a while, until I found something else to do. I don't miss pistol shooting nor do I miss guns. Like I said, noisy, smelly things that have no beauty or use except to kill. But I suppose guns and their fascination were part of my youth, since then I have grown up a bit and now know only too well what guns are for, no other purpose than killing, I am opposed to killing.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 7:03:18 PM

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It wasn't put here for debate. Simply to state the fact that military assault rifles were not created to hunt Bambi. Unless the deer are shooting back.

Impress me with a 12 point rack that was shot with an arrow, or your grandfathers single shot rifle. Personally, I don't see the need for hunters to use something that was intended for warfare.

Actually, I am equally accurate with a bow and arrow or a single shot. I'm not sure what your logic is exactly. I must tell you that your ignorance of hunting and appropriate weaponry is...well....glaring.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 7:08:17 PM

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I am opposed to killing.

Are you opposed to eating also? Or do you use no animal products?

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 7:09:06 PM

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There are sporting purposes to guns as well. I used to hunt quail, dove, deer and raccoon, but no longer hunt. Its not that I "grew up", but for me, I am a busy man, and just dont have time for it, but it should always be my right should I chose to again. Personally, if I grow old and die and my gun never kills anyone, then thats great. On the flip side, if someone threatens me, my family, or loved ones, God help them, because I don't have any qualms in killing them if I have to. Years ago I owned a store, and I carried concealed everyday. Thankfully, we were never robbed, but I don't live my life hoping that I won't become a victim. You carry a spare tire in your car because you don't want to just hope that you dont have a flat.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 7:10:14 PM

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Are you reading directly from the NRA flyer?

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ORIGINAL: Joenextdoor

Actually, he is on record:
*In an Illinois general candidate questionaire, he favored a ban on all handguns.

He specifically said that a ban on all handguns is not 'politically practicable'. He favored a ban on use of handguns for purposes of self defense in the home. He also stated that states and/or cities have the constitutional right to ban guns. Especially in high crime areas.

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*He has supported punitive taxes on firearms and ammo, which in effect is taking the ability of many to buy a gun due to the cost.

Are you kidding? That would still be less than what smokers pay right now. If you can spend $200 on a gun, I don't think another $6 to $20 will break you.

I will grant you this, the ammunition tax would apparently triple the price of ammunition. I'm sure people would be more selective about who they shoot. No more inocent bystanders.

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*He opposes right to carry laws, as stated in the Chicago Tribune.

He opposed the right to carry a concealed weapon and any states right pass lasw regarding who may and may not carry a concealed weapon.

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*He voted to allow lawsuits against the industry, which would in effect bankrupt the industry, and do what the Congress and courts have not done Senate S 397, vote 219, July 29, 2005

It would not allow people to sue based on the factthat they were shot. It would allow people to sue if a manufacturer did not do everything they could to keep the guns out of illegal markets. And to sue for guns that are made in such a way that they could be easily modified into an illegal weapon.

Furthermore, he recvd a lot of slack for saying that he agrees with the NRA, the the second ammendment is an individual right.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 7:12:39 PM

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My Warden put a deposit down on an M16 assault rifle he may never fire. The gun shops are not receiving new inventory as manufacturers are afraid to create something they wont be able to sell. he is purchasing something he would have held off on because he is afraid he wont be able to get it later.

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RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory - 11/11/2008 7:12:40 PM

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Who says this group you cite tells the truth? They might have an agenda of their own. All I know is what I have seen of his voting and interview record.

Considering that Factcheck.org is just about the most impartial independent source of info on the Web, this is particularly funny

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