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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:25:54 PM   
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That's why he just got elected by a relatively large majority.

52% of the population voted for Dear Leader.  It is a majority, but it is hardly "relatively large."



It has been pointed out to you several times in this thread that the popular vote has no bearing on who becomes president...so why do your posts persist in this line of circular logic? 

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:29:35 PM   
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That's why he just got elected by a relatively large majority.

52% of the population voted for Dear Leader.  It is a majority, but it is hardly "relatively large."



It has been pointed out to you several times in this thread that the popular vote has no bearing on who becomes president...so why do your posts persist in this line of circular logic? 

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Well Hunter,to be fair he is really ,really proud of the whole "Dear Leader"thing....so he needs to work it in as often as possible.

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:30:10 PM   
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our problems are because of the 'simplistic notion that people who have wealth are entitled to keep it and they have an antipathy towards the means of redistributing wealth.'

jesus christ...



The people who have wealth have no problem redistributing wealth up just against redistributing it down...whycome?



False generalization.  I know quite a few above the $250k annual income mark that is equally against "upward" wealth redistribution...they simply feel they should be able to keep what they kill.

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:30:34 PM   
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It has been pointed out to you several times in this thread that the popular vote has no bearing on who becomes president...so why do your posts persist in this line of circular logic?

The Electoral College has echoed the popular vote since direct election of electors became the norm in the early 19th century.  To say the popular vote has no bearing is to ignore the history of Presidential elections.


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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:31:13 PM   
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52% for a non-incumbant is LARGE!.......


*cough* There was no incumbent here....... Obama was not running against Bush, no matter what he said.


We are speaking here of the incumbent party.  "Ace" Mc Cain did promise to continue bush&co's legacy  and give us fifty more years of war in Iraq and to invade Iran.  So yes the guy who won was running against the incumbent party.
 
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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:32:36 PM   
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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:33:25 PM   
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This "dearleader" thing is bullshit. I don't like the guy, but guess what? He won.


Hallelujah or whatever it is they say.

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:34:26 PM   
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Alumbrado, is that you?
Now THAT was funny....where is he?

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:35:53 PM   
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If trafficking in divisive hate is the game, it's only fitting and fair we play in both directions.


Aside from the false premise, so now two wrongs logically make a right.

No wonder these discussions are so often pointless.


Why not? It's in the spirit of the Democratic and liberal platform.

As a Southerner who is more red then blue,
Red is for the incumbent and blue is for the challenger...but then I am sure you knew that.

allow me to summarize and paraphrase the Democratic campaign through my eyes.

It usually begins with a self righteous outcry against GREED! Greed is ruining this country. The problem is the greedy rich and Corporate America.

Then that self righteous claim to being above greed is negated by one of the following statements.
  • I don't want to pay taxes. Let the rich pay for them!
  • Don't you think it is about time that the rich did pay taxes? 

  • I don't want to pay for health insurance. Let the rich and responsible carry the burden of my smoking, alcholicism and lack of exercise. Who cares if it bankrupts the country? I'm what's important

If I am not mistaken wasn't it the rich tobacco guys who lied and pimped tobacco products on the people and told us that it was not harmful.
Isn't it the Pharmaceutical companies who can sell drugs to the rest of the world at cut rate prices but lobby to make it illegal for U.S. citizens to go to Mexico or Canada to buy those same drugs?
Do you really believe that the rich are acting in a "responsible" fashion?
  • I don't want to work. Give me welfare!
  • Welfare for the rich far exceeds the welfare that is doled out in a pittance to the poor.

 
  • I don't want to earn my education. Give me grants for school!
  • Before there was free public education only the rich had access to an academic education...would you prefer the U.S. to be a nation of 300 million illiterates?


  • I don't want to have earn my success. Give me jobs because of my skin color!
  • That is pretty much how it was until the courts said it was illegal to refuse jobs to people of color.



The South is built on a strong ideology of hard work for a hard day's pay,
Hard work by slaves for no pay.



indepedence, self sufficientcy, and taking care of one's own. An idealogy I am proudly a part of.
You really do need to avail yourself of a history book...your post show an appalling lack of knowledge of the history of this country.



I don't want anything from anyone except my paycheck minus my fair contribution to our nation's infrastructure.
Just how much is your fair share?


Is it all that surprising that in light of this that the majority of Southern states vote Red?
Those who voted "Red" voted for a man who promised them fifty more years of war in Iraq and an invasion of Iran.




Thank you for your continued examples of the Democratic stance to how "two wrongs make a right".

I never said I was happy with how everything goes in this country, but what I did say was I wasn't expecting anyone to give me anything because life is "unfair".

Apparently, the corruption of others provides the rationalization for all your beliefs.

Mine doesn't. It's solely based off principal.

If the best you can provide is arguments that are justified because "other people have done bad things so I should get a peice of the pie as well", then let's hope you are not the representation of the Democratics.

And your right. I am not speaking as a historian. I am speaking of my own experiences of living in the South and the spirit of people's values.




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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:36:04 PM   
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allow me to be more specific, as you may have missed the context of this post.



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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:39:44 PM   
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So, if all one considers is Democratic winners, yes, the percentage is quite large.  If one looks at American Presidents, the percentage is significantly less so.



What the eff? Another new low? Please, reassure the thread it isn't so.

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:39:53 PM   
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I do agree that a platform tailored to America's lowest common denominator and most ignorant voters will alienate most swing voters. The question is, will Republicans have to abandon their "southern platforms" to compete for those votes? If so, to what extent?

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:40:53 PM   
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We are speaking here of the incumbent party. "Ace" Mc Cain did promise to continue bush&co's legacy and give us fifty more years of war in Iraq and to invade Iran. So yes the guy who won was running against the incumbent party.




Taken up mind reading, have you? That is not what he said and since he has not specified that statement, I will go with the actual English meaning of his sentence.

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:50:54 PM   
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they simply feel they should be able to keep what they kill.


Then they ought to do society a favour: they should move out of civilisation to a place where they can keep whatever it is they kill, and all of it, too. In the middle of the woods, or wherever it is these people like to go. But if they don't want to contribute to society... out of it they should go.

Pay up, or shut up: it's a little like at the golf club :-) .

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:51:31 PM   
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Well, given that he responds to posts with arguments about corporate welfare and bitching about the rich and other issues that are completely unrelated to the context of the post or the argument, I am not even sure he bothers to read them or understand them. Why waste time when your only goal is to condescend to people on the Internet?

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:53:37 PM   
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But if they don't want to contribute to society... out of it they should go.



And yet many already contribute to society.  Apparently that's not enough; society apparently expects more.

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:55:17 PM   
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But if they don't want to contribute to society... out of it they should go.



And yet many already contribute to society.  Apparently that's not enough; society apparently expects more.


 It's the other way around, dude. Who brainwashed you ?!

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:57:50 PM   
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Eh...I guess the facts "brainwashed" me, if you're gonna throw that phrase around.

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 3:59:53 PM   
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Ah well... perhaps you've just consumed too much Soupe au Con .

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RE: Politics and the South - 11/12/2008 4:05:25 PM   
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Just thought I'd quote a college professor who renounced his american citizenship after the election -

"I am exercising my right to leave in protest of the direction this country is headed. McCain I would have tolerated, because he'd have been ineffectual through gridlock. Obama just swept the trifecta. I do not trust him; I do not trust his party; I do not trust our government. I am going to live someplace where I can use my money to help people so poor American's don't know they exist. Maybe I'll die in a grass hut somewhere from tuberculosis. I don't know. I will, however, do whatever I can to help people who honestly need, instead of being forced to help people who think they're entitled to the fruits of my labor."

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