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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/23/2008 6:54:05 PM

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i did my homework. and the land is just that.. land. being native american, we feel differently about land ownership that most. but thats not neither here nor there. yes, almost every business has been regulated to death. when you go to a government asking for a bail out, you are asking the people of that government for the money. sure isnt going to be the government giving you that money without some taxes being involved. almost everyone pays taxes, unless you are either not working, or, tax evading. eh, it happens. so, out of that many, how many are obese?

now, lets talk discrimination. how about we say no men of your ethnicity were allowed to attend colleges below the mason dixon line, no matter how much your parents paid into the system, no matter where you went to school, where you lived. doesnt matter... you cant go because of your skin color.

im sure, in your greed infested mind that you freely admit too, you would be seeking legal recourse. yes?

hmmm.. btw.. ever heard the expression.. public domain?

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/23/2008 6:57:26 PM

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Are companies going to release any negative information about their operations? Are restaurants going to proudly proclaim they had a massive roach problem but Terminix saved the day?

as far as companies releasing any negative information, yes, they would. would you like an example? how amny companies have had to post profit loses to their stock holders? as far as proclaiming whether or not they have a roach problem. that's going to be up to them. as I said in an earlier post, they do have certain incentives to keep themselves at higher standards than their competitors and to boast about that.

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And are you going to have, and spend, the time researching every restaurant you happen to eat in to determine they handle food safely and cleanly? What about your local grocery store? Or every airline to determine who follows proper maintenance and crew training? How about the safety of toys you buy for your children?

no I'm not. mainly because I don't care enough to. if one restaurant happens to be part of an association of restaurants that submits themselves to being graded on their health/sanity/nutrition, I'm more likely to spend money there. if an airline puts out advertisements listing what it does for maintence and training and has an independent third party double check everything (though not at the expense of the tax payer), I'd be more likely to give them my business.

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You are the only one being simplistic in trying to promote your "no government regulations" ideology.

your right, it is a simple ideology. axiomatic statements tend to be like that.

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Government has a proper role in regulating those things that individuals do not have the time or resources to take upon themselves but which are essential to their safety.

um...why do governments have this 'proper role'? I'd really like to hear an objective answer to this question (but I'm fairly certain you're just going to fire back with something akin to 'because I think it's the right thing to do').

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/23/2008 7:03:31 PM

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make that eminent domain long day at work, too bad i cant sit in a class room all day

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/23/2008 7:12:24 PM

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I can't really comment on this since your whole post centered around equality and I specifically left "equal" out of my argument. People should have opportunities. Not necessarily equal opportunities. Different animal altogether.

well now I'm confused. people don't necessarily need equal opportunities but you also don't want to live in a society where some people don't have the opportunity to go into movie theatres and restaurants? so would I be more accurate in saying that you think people deserve really, really similar opportunities?

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Yep. Same as in California they are "forced" to meet earthquake standards, fire standards, and other OSHA regulations. If you want to be in business, you're going to have to conform to the rules & regs surrounding running it.

are you flirting with legal positivism?

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Why did you decide to become condescending in your discussion? Was I insulting of you? Do you believe that will win anyone to see and understand your view point?

How is forcing an action bad, but forcing an inaction (such as staying home) good?

trust me, I did not suddenly become condescending in this argument.

but forcing an action is unjust (a more accurate term than bad), I'm going to guess you'll agree with me there. if not, I'll explain why forcing someone to commit an action they would not normally commit is unjust. but as far as 'forcing an inaction' is concerned...I am a bit curious. how exactly does one force inaction? let's clear up a word that I don't think you and I agree upon: force. I am using force as 'the initiation of aggression'. if I'm forcing you to give me your wallet, I'm doing so by threatening you with bodily harm or damage to your property (even if it is only just a threat, it is still coercive). Also, is not permitting someone to trespass an initation of aggression?

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/23/2008 7:53:59 PM

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i did my homework. and the land is just that.. land. being native american, we feel differently about land ownership that most. but thats not neither here nor there. yes, almost every business has been regulated to death. when you go to a government asking for a bail out, you are asking the people of that government for the money. sure isnt going to be the government giving you that money without some taxes being involved. almost everyone pays taxes, unless you are either not working, or, tax evading. eh, it happens. so, out of that many, how many are obese?

I think what we have to keep in mind is why a lot of these industries need bailouts? let's look at the auto industry. take a gander at the difference between gm/ford/chrysler's stocks and toyota's stocks. what is the difference? toyota hasn't been as fucked over by as many federal policies as the american industries have. due to rather moronic laws concerning unions, gm/ford/chrysler have been forced into paying their employees much more than the market price for their labor is worth. they also have to meet other industry regulations on all their vehicles that it's next to impossible for them to be competitive. in fact, it's very difficult for them to do anything but fail miserably time and time again. the same can be said for the airline industry (or any heavily regulated industry). perhaps if they were allowed to run their businesses as they saw fit, they wouldn't want bail outs. and the government would also have no incentive to bail them out.

but let's talk about obese people's 'right' to the airline's property because they pay taxes. so because their tax money (or, if the bailout isn't paid through tax money, their property is negatively impacted by the governments buying/selling of securities which is required for the government to make loans to fund bailouts) towards a project, they have a right to use it 'reasonably'. well...we are forced to buy into the american dollar as it is illegal for anyone to make a competiting currency (see: the liberty dollar). and you are correct, the government has no money. the only money the government has is what it can take from its citizens. now, not only are we forced into a currency, we are forced to pay it's "maintainance" and upkeep. we pay the people in the treasury, we pay for the mints, we pay for the regulators and speculators, we payfor the federal banks, we pay for the fdic, we pay the fed, we pay for the entire economic system. my question is this - because we are forced to deal in a currency and are forced to support this monetary system, what rights do we have to the product we support? can we claim we have rights to other people's money (and the things bought by that money) because we were forced to support it through taxes? can we take this money, no matter whose hands it is in?

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now, lets talk discrimination. how about we say no men of your ethnicity were allowed to attend colleges below the mason dixon line, no matter how much your parents paid into the system, no matter where you went to school, where you lived. doesnt matter... you cant go because of your skin color.

is it a public or private college? if it's a private college, that's 100% fine. if it's a public college, my opinion on inclusion is the same as my opinion on the handicapped having ramps built to buildings their taxes support. again, this isn't a rational argument I'm making, it's 100% subjective. since they've already had their money taken (probably against their will), I feel that they should have access to these services.

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im sure, in your greed infested mind that you freely admit too, you would be seeking legal recourse. yes?

if it were public, I'd support it. if it were private, not at all.

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hmmm.. btw.. ever heard the expression.. public domain?

I have, and if I had it my way, there would be no public domain or public property - only private property.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/23/2008 7:55:17 PM

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make that eminent domain long day at work, too bad i cant sit in a class room all day

oh, and eminent domain is one of the most egregious offenses our government forces upon its citizens.

the kelo decision was sickening.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/23/2008 8:10:18 PM

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MMMMM, I just had two huge pieces of BOSTON CREME PIE!
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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/23/2008 8:21:40 PM

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whatever your feelings on the issue should not be a point in this discussion. just as wrong as it would be for a college who accepts government money to run that college to tell the public they have no right to access, regardless if they meet the standards for admission, its also wrong for any firm who takes government funds to aid in its running to say they will not provide a service to all the citizens who pay for it.

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The standard airline seat is 17.2" wide, while seat pitch ranges from 28" on some short-haul, down-and-dirty charters, to 33-34" on some planes.

It took some measurements of my own:
Me:
- General: 6'1", approx. 180 lbs.
- Width, A: Distance across hips: approx. 15"
- Leg pitch: Distance from small of back to end of knee while sitting: 25"
- Height: Eye level sitting in my office chair: 48"
- Width, B: Distance from elbow to elbow while standing: 23 inches +

It's that last one that looms largest when it comes to confronting the Middle Seat Factor. It's no wonder that I don't want anyone next to me - there's five or six inches of me that I need to gather in and put somewhere else when I'm sitting in a middle seat next to two strangers so not to elbow them the entire flight.

Office Chairs:
For these numbers I measured my own office chair, as well as those of several colleagues. All were very similar.
- Width of office chair seat cushion: 20"
- Width of office chair seat back: 17.75"
- Distance from seat back to end of knee when sitting comfortably, maybe slightly slumped: 26.5"
- Distance from seat back to end of knee when sitting in a position in which I might be able to doze: 31"

My local movie theaters:
Theater 1 was stadium-style, with seats that curved with the shape of the room, making the seats wider in the back than in the front. Theater 2 was aligned in straight rows.
Theater 1:
- Seat back width: 20"
- Seat front: 18"
- Elbow-elbow: 23"
- Seat Pitch: 37.5"

this was obtained from here

seems to me this is a noraml size man who is also having problems with the seats in the industry. im done with this debate, as it has turned into something besides the original topic. the airline industry has for years looked for cheaper and cheaper ways to make money while adding more and more passengers.

now, if you feel so inclined, variation, you can start another thread on the rest of your questions and i will happily debate them with you.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/23/2008 9:48:31 PM

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Care to share the creme love?

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/23/2008 10:03:44 PM

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Care to share the creme love?

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MMMMM, I just had two huge pieces of BOSTON CREME PIE!
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Ven, sure! :)
If I keep eating that stuff the back of my neck will look like a package of hot dogs.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/23/2008 10:06:16 PM

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Yeah that is usually the way to run a successful business. Coach is not really meant to be comfortable, never has and never will be. Just spent $74.50 US total to get a friend from Atlanta to Kansas City flying coach. That is pretty fucking amazing to me, that for such an amount a 13 hour drive can be turned into a 2 hour flight. That saves 11 hours of my life, which comes out to about $7 an hour.

edit: Wanted to add that I would spend that much in gas driving there in my car.

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the airline industry has for years looked for cheaper and cheaper ways to make money while adding more and more passengers.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/24/2008 1:32:10 AM

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How about removing the seats from planes altogether? Let passengers bring their own seats, be it a kitchen stool, table chair, armchair or even a bed settee. There could be an additional fee for removing castors from armchairs (we wouldn't want to be squashed by armchairs rolling around during take off and turbulence, would we?). That way everybody would have the seat they want.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/24/2008 1:50:37 AM

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Or fill the plane up with those balls that kids are thrown into a pit of at Burger King. A great way to make new friends too.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/24/2008 5:15:23 AM

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Care to share the creme love?

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MMMMM, I just had two huge pieces of BOSTON CREME PIE!
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Ven, sure! :)
If I keep eating that stuff the back of my neck will look like a package of hot dogs.

HAHAHAHA! :D that's absolutely fantastic :)

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/24/2008 7:40:55 AM

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Or fill the plane up with those balls that kids are thrown into a pit of at Burger King. A great way to make new friends too.

that could be fun :)

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/24/2008 7:47:02 AM

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i think it shoud be like the japanese subway. i love seeing the videos where the security has to help push the las few people in. all squished up like sardines....

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/24/2008 8:23:46 AM

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Or fill the plane up with those balls that kids are thrown into a pit of at Burger King. A great way to make new friends too.

that could be fun :)

Hilarious! Ummmphfffffff....s'cuse me....boing boing boing....

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/24/2008 10:21:21 AM

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i'm lookin at this whole thread (no, dont live in canada, so it doesnt directly affect *me*)....

TheEngineer has to travel for work. they will *only* pay for coach, not business. in january....he travels from houston texas to a shipyard in china. its a 17 hour flight.

he's 6'4". and he's a big guy due to medical issues he was born with. or without. (male born without natural means to make testosterone, and his father insisted he NOT take hormone therapy. the man had issues and i'd slap him if he were still alive for directly going against medical advice and causing him so many issues now. ahem.)

*i* get claustrophobic traveling coach for a couple of hours. i'm 5'2" and 180. i've traveled when i was at my heaviest, which was near 230. that was MISERABLE. i didnt ask for an extra seat then....but i also know that yes, airline seats HAVE been redesigned so that the airplanes will hold more seats than they did previously.

yes, they're in the business to make money, and fuel is expensive. some people chose to fly for pleasure, some must for work. it sucks all the way around. it sucks that lexington, ky costs a metric assload more to fly in and out of than cincinati, ohio, although they're right across the river from one another. (but that's a whole nother bitch)

the bottom of it is (*snickering as fat-bottom girls comes into rotation on the ipod*) that people are not all the same size. people (on the whole) are larger than they were 40 years ago. i'm not only talking weight, i'm talking height also. and the reaction of the airlines? to make seats *SMALLER* than they were 40 years ago.

no matter what.....SOMEONE'S ass is gonna get chapped over this thing. whether its from being squished, being squished by someone else's butt, or not being able to fly at all because you cant afford it/cant fit/are scared silly of flying. (count me in on the last one...that plus traveling with cane and not being able to walk distances easily sucks ass too)

count me in also as in favor of the health department, the ADA, and dairy products. not so much for high fructose corn syrup or people who refuse to see humor, sarcasm, or anything beyond the tip of their own nose/their own wants.

*thinks back over the thread* i think that got it all. and nueva? i love the todd rundgren quote.

kitten, who is still cranky and wondering WTF was it that set off the smoke alarms this am.....

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/24/2008 1:38:14 PM

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So to pass the time on long flights we will gather together on the carpet floor and play with our balls?

I call pillow fight! Who's on?

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Or fill the plane up with those balls that kids are thrown into a pit of at Burger King. A great way to make new friends too.

that could be fun :)

Hilarious! Ummmphfffffff....s'cuse me....boing boing boing....

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/24/2008 3:12:09 PM

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as far as companies releasing any negative information, yes, they would. would you like an example? how amny companies have had to post profit loses to their stock holders? as far as proclaiming whether or not they have a roach problem. that's going to be up to them. as I said in an earlier post, they do have certain incentives to keep themselves at higher standards than their competitors and to boast about that.

They post profit-loss statements because they're just genuinely nice guys, or does it have something to do with SEC regulations?

Do I need to list how many companies have collapsed in the last eight years, costing stockholders their entire investment, because they manipulated those numbers despite the regulations?

They have incentives to make them appear they operate at higher standards but that appearance is also easily manipulated, even with regulatory oversight. Without, it would be a free-for-all.

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no I'm not. mainly because I don't care enough to. if one restaurant happens to be part of an association of restaurants that submits themselves to being graded on their health/sanity/nutrition, I'm more likely to spend money there. if an airline puts out advertisements listing what it does for maintence and training and has an independent third party double check everything (though not at the expense of the tax payer), I'd be more likely to give them my business.

Who pays then for these independent, third-party inspections?

How will they be financed? By the restaurants that are part of the restaurant association? No, that wouldn't work, would it?

Maybe by donations from the customers. We could add a little to every restaurant bill, pool the money and set up an independent organization to grade them on their safety and cleanliness. Think that might work?

Wonder why no one has thought of that before!

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um...why do governments have this 'proper role'? I'd really like to hear an objective answer to this question (but I'm fairly certain you're just going to fire back with something akin to 'because I think it's the right thing to do').

I hate to be repetitive, but I don't think I can explain it anymore succinctly and clearly than to say what I've said before.

We form governments to pool our resources to accomplish what we as individuals do not have the time, resources, or ability to do alone.

Myself, I kind of like knowing I can take a drink of tap water and be sure it won't land me in the hospital. Or go to any restaurant and be confident I won't end up with food poisoning. And board any airline knowing the mechanics keeping that airplane flying are certified by the FAA and didn't get hired straight from doing oil changes at the Jiffy Lube.

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