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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 1:51:56 AM

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Yea, Darias, I agree - charging more to anyone who wants to fly but who is just too successful is ridiculous.
But, I have no problem with an airline or two trying it - how well do you think THAT idea would float in the free market?

And to wieghing before getting on an airline - that's just too funny.

Some of my weight loss 'rewards' are set based on the 'limits' that the providers set for weight. Horseback riding - most stables will not rent you are horse if you weigh over 250#. So, did I set this reward for myself for when I reach 250? (in which case i'd of done went out riding). Well, NO - because having someone look at me and decide they need to weigh me before they rent me a horse does not sound like a 'rewarding' experience. LOL.

Yea, most women are none to keen on being weighed, esp. in a public forum.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 2:04:46 AM

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Texas Flyer - thanks for helping me find the report.The report said the rigging was the main problem compounded (no pun intended) by too much weight. I have read your comments and understand the valid points you made. Knowing that the population is getting fatter, shouldn't that be taken into account when safety calculations are being made?
In a more perfect world we would all be our perfect weight and not only brush after every meal, but floss too (and then walk briskly for 3 miles). Shouldn't safety calculations be made on reality vs. an outdated standard?

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 4:47:18 AM

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the ruling tho- sets to challenge other venues. consider that fast food seats are purposely designed so people do not loiter. we have a higher % of obese today then 20 years ago. I attribute that to high fruitose corn syrup, and processed foods...

so the reality is folks weigh more today- most everyone ... so what to do with it public policy-wise.

bus seats, DR WAITING room seats, diner seats, and so on.

high fructose corn syrup is chemically synthesized, the body can not entirely digest the chemistry modified item. add that to the fact that many drink soda instead of water. (even diet- sorry )

High fructose corn syrup has been around forever. But we didnt have all this fast food, instant food, Tv's with remotes. When I was a kid you had maybe 5 stations to watch on tv and you had to get up and change it yourself. We were outside playing in front of the house and on the block. We wernt siting watching tv, or play stations or computers all day.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 5:27:58 AM

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the ruling tho- sets to challenge other venues. consider that fast food seats are purposely designed so people do not loiter. we have a higher % of obese today then 20 years ago. I attribute that to high fruitose corn syrup, and processed foods...

so the reality is folks weigh more today- most everyone ... so what to do with it public policy-wise.

bus seats, DR WAITING room seats, diner seats, and so on.

high fructose corn syrup is chemically synthesized, the body can not entirely digest the chemistry modified item. add that to the fact that many drink soda instead of water. (even diet- sorry )

High fructose corn syrup has been around forever. But we didnt have all this fast food, instant food, Tv's with remotes. When I was a kid you had maybe 5 stations to watch on tv and you had to get up and change it yourself. We were outside playing in front of the house and on the block. We wernt siting watching tv, or play stations or computers all day.

The blame rests solely with the parents and no one else. They are the ones not exercising control over their children. Bad parents are the first to blame TV, video games, junk food, music, Judas Priest, etc. etc. Bad parents blame everything and everyone but themselves.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 5:32:30 AM

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the ruling tho- sets to challenge other venues. consider that fast food seats are purposely designed so people do not loiter. we have a higher % of obese today then 20 years ago. I attribute that to high fruitose corn syrup, and processed foods...

so the reality is folks weigh more today- most everyone ... so what to do with it public policy-wise.

bus seats, DR WAITING room seats, diner seats, and so on.

high fructose corn syrup is chemically synthesized, the body can not entirely digest the chemistry modified item. add that to the fact that many drink soda instead of water. (even diet- sorry )

High fructose corn syrup has been around forever. But we didnt have all this fast food, instant food, Tv's with remotes. When I was a kid you had maybe 5 stations to watch on tv and you had to get up and change it yourself. We were outside playing in front of the house and on the block. We wernt siting watching tv, or play stations or computers all day.

The blame rests solely with the parents and no one else. They are the ones not exercising control over their children. Bad parents are the first to blame TV, video games, junk food, music, Judas Priest, etc. etc. Bad parents blame everything and everyone but themselves.

I can tell without asking that you are not a parent. Judgemental friggin kid who has no idea how challenging parenting is and thinks he can do a WAY better job than all the parents spoiling their kids rotten. Good luck with that, mkay?

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 5:39:14 AM

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the ruling tho- sets to challenge other venues. consider that fast food seats are purposely designed so people do not loiter. we have a higher % of obese today then 20 years ago. I attribute that to high fruitose corn syrup, and processed foods...

so the reality is folks weigh more today- most everyone ... so what to do with it public policy-wise.

bus seats, DR WAITING room seats, diner seats, and so on.

high fructose corn syrup is chemically synthesized, the body can not entirely digest the chemistry modified item. add that to the fact that many drink soda instead of water. (even diet- sorry )

High fructose corn syrup has been around forever. But we didnt have all this fast food, instant food, Tv's with remotes. When I was a kid you had maybe 5 stations to watch on tv and you had to get up and change it yourself. We were outside playing in front of the house and on the block. We wernt siting watching tv, or play stations or computers all day.

The blame rests solely with the parents and no one else. They are the ones not exercising control over their children. Bad parents are the first to blame TV, video games, junk food, music, Judas Priest, etc. etc. Bad parents blame everything and everyone but themselves.

I can tell without asking that you are not a parent. Judgemental friggin kid who has no idea how challenging parenting is and thinks he can do a WAY better job than all the parents spoiling their kids rotten. Good luck with that, mkay?

No, I KNOW I'd be a terrible parent, which is why I take every precaution and eliminate any possible chance of getting a woman pregnant. It would neither be fair to me or that child, therefore it is my responsibility to NOT bring anything into this world.

For those parents that do a good job, then my post was not intended to insult them. However, for those parents that are unwilling to take any responsibility for their child's actions, then that message is aimed squarely at them.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 5:41:42 AM

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lusciouslips,
high fructose corn syrup has been around forever, but for this last generation, there have been subsidies in place for corn farmers, causeing us to have a whole bunch of corn to use up. The easiest way to do something with as much of it as possible is to make high fructose corn syrup, but then we have a whole bunch of that, so we end up putting it in everything. That, and BGH, (which has not exactly been around forever) are part of the problem with a nation who's girth is growing.
High Froctoxse corn syrup is a very artifical construct - taking the sugar out of corn, then forcing more sugar into the same amount of space is an industralized invention. But, they are allowed to call the products that it is in ( and it is in everything. My oldest son boycotts it because he does not approve of the laws supporting it - they are anti free market as well as unhealthy. Shopping for him is a trip.) all natural. Now, I don't have so much of an issue with this with Sprite - if you are stupid enough to think the words 'all natural' turn a soda pop into health food, I can't help you. but I dont think i should be expected to expect it in my greenbeans.
That same son also avoids all 'Transfat'. He is opposed to the NY law, which has had bad effects on the marketplace by trying to regulate what the free market should be left to deal with - but, he says, if American's truly undertood what 'Transfats' were, there would be no products proudly proclaiming their low or even no transfat status on the label. He said, 'having a label that says 'no transfats' is like having a label that says 'No Dogshit!'
Food need regulations relating to safety issues - not health issues - and truth in advertising. The free market will take care of everything else. honest.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 5:45:12 AM

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The bottom line is people need to read their labels and watch what goes into their food. And no I'm not stupid. I have my 9 year old looking at labels and telling me how many calories, saturated fats, sugar and fiber and what a serving size is in the foods we buy/\.

edited to say: buy fresh veggies or frozen without any fancy extras. Never seen a plain bag o frozen or fresh greenbeans to contain any fats.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 5:56:38 AM

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i have very long legs and a regular airline seat is not comfortable. Should the airline be required to put me in a first class seat where there is more leg room, at no extra charge?

Of course not. They are required to provide a standard seat if that is what i pay for.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 5:59:22 AM

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I read the title as Obama has the right to two airline seats...lol

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 5:59:44 AM

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lusciouslips, I don't think you are stupid. I managed to be fat and none the less raise some very healthy, health concise young men.

But, just thought i'd point out - and I have seen frozen fruits and frozen veggies of a very 'plain' seeming variety with high fructose corn syrup in them - high fructose corn syrup is fat free, as well.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:02:51 AM

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lusciouslips, I don't think you are stupid. I managed to be fat and none the less raise some very healthy, health concise young men.

But, just thought i'd point out - and I have seen frozen fruits and frozen veggies of a very 'plain' seeming variety with high fructose corn syrup in them - high fructose corn syrup is fat free, as well.

People have to not fall for buzz words and read whats actually in it.

I have been fat and i have been thin. Losing weight and eating healthy always improves health, energy and complexion, asthma, allergies and a host of things. The best diet is 1/2 to 2/3rd raw for a long healthy life. not easy to achieve though.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:04:07 AM

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the ruling tho- sets to challenge other venues. consider that fast food seats are purposely designed so people do not loiter. we have a higher % of obese today then 20 years ago. I attribute that to high fruitose corn syrup, and processed foods...

so the reality is folks weigh more today- most everyone ... so what to do with it public policy-wise.

bus seats, DR WAITING room seats, diner seats, and so on.

high fructose corn syrup is chemically synthesized, the body can not entirely digest the chemistry modified item. add that to the fact that many drink soda instead of water. (even diet- sorry )

High fructose corn syrup has been around forever. But we didnt have all this fast food, instant food, Tv's with remotes. When I was a kid you had maybe 5 stations to watch on tv and you had to get up and change it yourself. We were outside playing in front of the house and on the block. We wernt siting watching tv, or play stations or computers all day.

I disagree.   I blame is on high fruittose corn syrup.   Read the lable.   Go to your cabinet right now and list any foods that do NOT have it.   You can add- processed-bleached-flour.

DR Oz is right.    I know my body pretty well. I know what bloats me up. I also know that most in the zip code are obese. (seems like most)   I also know one has to be a chemist to shop groceries.

See Corn King    See DR Oz

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:06:52 AM

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There is absolutely nothing beneficial about high fructose corn syrup. Nothing. Stay away from white flour, white rice, white sugar and dairy products. All are poison to your body.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:10:05 AM

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The bottom line is people need to read their labels and watch what goes into their food. And no I'm not stupid. I have my 9 year old looking at labels and telling me how many calories, saturated fats, sugar and fiber and what a serving size is in the foods we buy/\.

edited to say: buy fresh veggies or frozen without any fancy extras. Never seen a plain bag o frozen or fresh greenbeans to contain any fats.

I am glad that more people ARE reading labels. Last time in grocery line- I started a conversation about this. WHat a better venue?? hehe bad me,

I can eat a fair amount of 65% chocolate, and not bloat. I bought some dried berries- thought ahhhhhhh here we go. But my taste buds can detect HFCS.

I have not drink soda is maybe 4 years. I also dont crave it.

lot of meds happen simply cos a person is dehydrated/

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:13:52 AM

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Good thing they havent been granted two in-flight meals too.

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Your right about that, if people are this upset because someone gets extra room, imagine how mad they will be if someone gets free food. Maybe they should put a scale at the gate and they can charge per pound. Or better yet, just shoot anyone who shows up overweight.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:15:36 AM

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lusciouslips,
high fructose corn syrup has been around forever, but for this last generation, there have been subsidies in place for corn farmers, causeing us to have a whole bunch of corn to use up. The easiest way to do something with as much of it as possible is to make high fructose corn syrup, but then we have a whole bunch of that, so we end up putting it in everything. That, and BGH, (which has not exactly been around forever) are part of the problem with a nation who's girth is growing.
High Froctoxse corn syrup is a very artifical construct - taking the sugar out of corn, then forcing more sugar into the same amount of space is an industralized invention. But, they are allowed to call the products that it is in ( and it is in everything. My oldest son boycotts it because he does not approve of the laws supporting it - they are anti free market as well as unhealthy. Shopping for him is a trip.) all natural. Now, I don't have so much of an issue with this with Sprite - if you are stupid enough to think the words 'all natural' turn a soda pop into health food, I can't help you. but I dont think i should be expected to expect it in my greenbeans.
That same son also avoids all 'Transfat'. He is opposed to the NY law, which has had bad effects on the marketplace by trying to regulate what the free market should be left to deal with - but, he says, if American's truly undertood what 'Transfats' were, there would be no products proudly proclaiming their low or even no transfat status on the label. He said, 'having a label that says 'no transfats' is like having a label that says 'No Dogshit!'
Food need regulations relating to safety issues - not health issues - and truth in advertising. The free market will take care of everything else. honest.

I see folks like mom who try to do the right thing- but dont due to labeling.

I coahed my sister how to be good at this. Her kid is doing great! Tho I do keep reminding her of what a bump into per what to consume or not.

I see my elderly grandmother who does everything wrong and never sees a DR. I just smile. Gram has the last word. She is functional at her age and in some ways she is perkier then I. So I dont say a word when she sprinkles salt on her food-etc. She is proof that the old ways work. Somehow we over do foods that were not meant for daily consumption. and we put buckets of pills in us.
How many pounds of pills have you swallowed in a lifetime???

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:18:16 AM

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Well, isn't this interesting!
We have had 12 responses and only one thinks that we should share the wealth (or share the space) since the misfortune of another human being is not anything they can help. But I also read that the airlines are making plenty of money so they can afford it. hmmmmmm....
Here is My vote...
Any airline passenger who is making more than $250,000 per year will pay an extra surcharge to the airline and then that money will be put into a pot and the obese people who need an extra seat will have one without penalizing any of the people who are making less than that. Sound fair?
I find it amazing that when it is something that potentially affects most people in the pocketbook (as in lots of people have the experience of purchasing or needing to purchase an airline ticket on occasion) it becomes so much more personal, and the thinking completely changes.

just wondering if im understanding this right?

your suggesting that people with decent jobs reguardless of their weight.. pay into a comunal fund used to subsidise the tickets of obese passangers in the future? that someone would pay extra on their ticket because of their career to cover the extra seat for someone who either doesnt want to or cant afford to pay for the seat space they need

when i fly i need a seat on the plane... i pay for said seat and i get to fly

an obese person... whether it be because of illness lack of self control , mnetal issues or whatever reason folks want to give for obesity should have to fly by the same rules dont you think?

there is a fine line between fair taxation etc and penalising the rich in a very socialist way

if you look behind you its that blurry red thing about 40 miles back

I remember seeing in another thread your comments on how Americans don't do sarcasm well.

Apparently we're improving because her irony seems to have escaped you entirely.

Sorry. Just couldn't resist pointing that out.

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:27:04 AM

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How many pounds of pills have you swallowed in a lifetime???

I take so many pills I rattle. But, then, I am a brittle diabetic. The real reason for my weight is a decade of undiagnoised, out of control diabettes.

The Amish do everything 'wrong' when it comes to eating healthy - they eat huge meals, heavy on the meat, high in fat, and finish off everything with a big ole hunk of pie. And, yet, they are some of the healthiest people in this country.

Mostly, it is just proof that my youngest sons, the least health concise of any of my sons, attitude towards diet and nutrition works. He is a Marine. He says, 'Eat whatever you want, and burn it off'. There is some evidence that this might indeed be thehealthiest approach.

The problem with Fat people being the paraihs that they are is people use it as an excuse to try to regulate the food industry. Everyone seems to have a distinct opinion on EXACTLY what others should eat. Well, spread your opinion around through education and - here it comes, bet you didn't see this coming - let the free market take care of it. I don't need anyone telling me I can't have my steak rare - one person telling me to eat only raw foods and another telling me to never eat anything white and someone else telling me to live on fried eggs and bacon but for G-d sakes don't eat a bannanna!

Nutrition is really a lot simpler than that - most people who are focused on their nutrition do pretty well, even though they may all have differant systems.

I noticed as an active member in a UU church, where about half the members are on restircitive diets for other than weight loss - for general health, spirtual reasons, political reasons, whatever - there were a lot of differant diets - vegitarian, metabolic, only organic, raw food, ect. But one thing all these people had in common - they all swore up and down that anytime they broke their diet, they felt like crap - just absolutely sick.

I came to an opinion. I don't think that they are gettin sick when they eat the unhealthy food. I think the rest of us learn to put up with a low level of 'feeling sick' all the time, with poision cursing through our veins. People who make active decisions about what they eat, slowly get so healthy that they don't feel like that anymore. They used to, but they were used to it and didn't notice it. Then they get used to feeling healthy, and they eat a little crap, and, basicly, they feel like the used to feel all the time, but now they are no longer used to it.

I believe this. And I believe it says something about what the food we eat does to our bodies. Has anyone seen the u-tube of the 6 year old happy meal?

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RE: Obese has right to 2 airline seats- - 11/21/2008 6:31:45 AM

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There is absolutely nothing beneficial about high fructose corn syrup. Nothing. Stay away from white flour, white rice, white sugar and dairy products. All are poison to your body.

Dairy is poison?

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