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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 1:23:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

I have heard of those standards of old too. I even met a man well respected and called master and one who many went to for advise and such. He was the scariest man I ever knew and dangerous in his personal life.

Ahh thats been true for me, often the most respected are the most warped. Its weird.

To OP Honour and Integrity are everywhere, in pretty much everyone, just what is right and wrong differs from person to person.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 1:35:07 AM

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I want to know what happened to honor and integrity in a Master. Maybe someone can explain that to me.

When were these things ever common... in anyone. Nobility of character has always been rare, and thus always stood out from the norm.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 4:05:08 AM

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It is possible to be innocent when it comes to games people play, and to not know how to handle a bullshitter from the start. These kicks in the ass take time and effort for one who is unaccustomed, to learn how to cope with and even better, not deal with from day one. M

My Bullshit Meter is not as finely tuned as most people I know. I have found that because I have a submissive nature (in all things, not just the bedroom), I tend to "submit" to people too easily in every day life. I acquiesce when I should stand my ground. I trust far too easily.

Yes, this is my responsibility. The hurt this has caused me on many, many occasions is due to my own actions and choices. That being said, a man or woman of honor and integrity would not take advantage of the situation. Unfortunately, there are far more people willing and eager to take advantage of naivete than there are honorable ones who wouldn't. That's just life.

Personally, I would rather be this way than swing to the other extreme - overly cynical, not trusting anyone.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 4:38:29 AM

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You know, I dont post that often and I find than when I do, my question or concern immediately gets dumped back into my lap. it would be nice if someone asked me what prompted my question and attempted to answer accordingly. Irealize this is a kink site - and tiny, please do not make assumptions about how I operate here, I assure you I am very clear about who I am - but many on this site approach a sub like john approaches a pros. Well even a prostitute deserves respect. That is my main point. There is little respect and honor. Sorry. lets not deny that this is a problem. It may be a problem on vanilla sites or in the world in general, I dont care. It still appears to be a stunningn problem here. And also, what is a problem, is - and I have posted before - the rush to criticize the person who is asking the question. I f "you" dont like the question, may be you dont have t answer it.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 4:41:51 AM

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You know, I dont post that often and I find than when I do, my question or concern immediately gets dumped back into my lap.

It's your monkey.

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it would be nice if someone asked me what prompted my question

You've been asked.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 5:03:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

in a Master. Maybe someone can explain that to me.

I expected to see someone 20 or 21 years old when I viewed your profile. Imagine my surprise...you really should know by now that there are all kinds of people out there. To expect someone to behave a certain way just because of a label is pretty naive and unrealistic unless you've been living under a rock.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 5:11:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

You know, I dont post that often and I find than when I do, my question or concern immediately gets dumped back into my lap. it would be nice if someone asked me what prompted my question and attempted to answer accordingly.

OR when you post a question you specify all things relating to the question so that you get a proper response?

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 5:18:24 AM

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you are missing the point. I dont assume anything because of someone's title. As the saying goes, you can dress up a pig but he's still a pig. What I am referring to is the lack of, as I said, honor and integrity, or even social skills on this site.

Hope t hat helps.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 5:21:08 AM

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Nope firebird, you specifically said wheres the honour and integrity in a Master, not really discussing the state of society just preconcived ideas of what the term means

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 5:33:57 AM

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If you pick partners without integrity, that says that your judgment in picking partners is no good. You chose this guy. He was who he was from the beginning. Assuming that just because he calls himself a master meant that he would be a knight in shining armor was your fault. Next time see who people are from the beginning, don't ignore red flags, don't magically assume that because he gets you wet he has all those qualities you hoped to find.

If your partner picking skills are this badly flawed, then you need to work on yourself. Why do you ignore the reality of who people are? Why are you delusional when it comes to relationships? Why do you settle for people who obviously aren't what you're looking for?

Remember, the only constant in all your relationships is you.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 5:55:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

you are missing the point. I dont assume anything because of someone's title. As the saying goes, you can dress up a pig but he's still a pig. What I am referring to is the lack of, as I said, honor and integrity, or even social skills on this site.

Hope t hat helps.

I haven't had that experience on this site. I've had very positive interactions.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 6:11:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking
What I am referring to is the lack of, as I said, honor and integrity, or even social skills on this site.

Could the problem be the flat medium we've chosen to interact on?
The ability to meet others and converse through the net be it here or anywhere by a font has opened up
the chance to meet others that in real life we may never. Communication being just typed words here
can mislead so easily. I know its hard, and many times disappointing to speak to another with the picture
that your perception of them taken from the written word only to meet later and find a whole different person
then you'd be speaking to.

I think you've got to toughen up and expect less from those you speak to here.
Speaking by font is only half the picture but a great way to cull the herd.
Knowing your looking for a needle in a hay stack means that pile of culled is going to be a whole lot
larger then the ones you'll want to keep. Then starts that long process of face to face to see if they
really are to you who they said they were that can be even more disappointing then the initial when
they dont measure up to who they said they were.

I suppose this could be why some call submission a gift.
Yet in reality that gift is one you give to yourself once you know you've chosen as wisely as possible.
Until then? ..........snicker. hold your ground and hear all about how unsub like you are.
Who cares anyway what they think or how they act, there not a reflection on you anyway.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 6:21:00 AM

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I think it's more lifestyle "crap". It's a return of the pink unicorns and fantasy, thinking that masters are full of honor and integrity. It takes time to get to know someone. Over time it's much easier to judge things like honor and integrity. Just because someone calls himself "master" or a local group dubs him "master", this should mean nothing to you. Get to know him, decide if he is masterly according to your wants/needs. It's easy stuff. Like others have said, perhaps your vetting process is flawed.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 6:43:00 AM

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Honour, Integrety, Honesty, Loyalty. Duty, Disclipline (Self Discilplne), Courage, Good Mannersand Respectfulness are in my book and those of my Peers, the mark of a Man. That such is not to be found as much these days, is probably due to the down turn society has made by mocking such things and allowing the young to be rude, agressive, abusinve and in your face and disrectfull of everything on their personal journey to "I want it and I want it now" and be buggered if they hurt or destroy other folks enjoyment of things. However there are Men about who do have all or most of those charastics. many may be hard to find unless issues are pushed and someone neds to make a stand for what is right (in their opinion). These men may be from all walks of life and varying social status and even differing ethnic backgrounds and collour but they all do have a Nobility of character and should you be lucky to get to know one you will see this..

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 6:47:12 AM

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Honor and integrity are still there in a few, But one must value themself and have patience and boundaries and self esteem and know how to recognize it. And no. Just because a bozo slaps a MAster tag on doesnt mean he has those qualities.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 6:59:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

you are missing the point. I dont assume anything because of someone's title. As the saying goes, you can dress up a pig but he's still a pig. What I am referring to is the lack of, as I said, honor and integrity, or even social skills on this site.

Hope t hat helps.

Actually you asked what happened to honor and integrity in a Master, and then referred to the days before the internet. The answers you have been receiving here all point to the notion that it isn't a good idea to assume just because someone is a Master, a submissive, a teacher, a doctor, a law enforcer...etc....that he/she has integrity. The first response to your OP was right on the money, actually. People expect characteristics without any real reason to, other than we think others SHOULD have those characteristics. But, unfortunately, the world does not always operate as we wish it to.

As for someone asking about why you posed the OP, I wonder why you didn't state that in your OP and instead wanted someone to ask you about it (which someone did, actually). Your OP was very general, which of course, invites very general answers. Were it more specific to begin with, perhaps you might have received what you were looking for.

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 7:13:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Honour, Integrety, Honesty, Loyalty. Duty, Disclipline (Self Discilplne), Courage, Good Mannersand Respectfulness are in my book and those of my Peers, the mark of a Man. That such is not to be found as much these days, is probably due to the down turn society has made by mocking such things and allowing the young to be rude, agressive, abusinve and in your face and disrectfull of everything on their personal journey to "I want it and I want it now" and be buggered if they hurt or destroy other folks enjoyment of things. However there are Men about who do have all or most of those charastics. many may be hard to find unless issues are pushed and someone neds to make a stand for what is right (in their opinion). These men may be from all walks of life and varying social status and even differing ethnic backgrounds and collour but they all do have a Nobility of character and should you be lucky to get to know one you will see this..

These are qualities that I believe all adult humans should aspire to, not just men. However, very few men or women, actually have them. Instead they prefer to make excuses for their own failings and whine about such in others.

For me personally, along with honour and integrity, taking responsibility for ALL of your own shit is vital. There is no honour or integrity in making our own failings, someone else's fault.

Be an example.

< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 11/21/2008 7:14:19 AM >

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 7:14:46 AM

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honor and integrity in masters is now being extracted and used to synthesize a medicine that causes fat cells to turn to gold.
they're hoping that it will 1) cure the obesity issue in the U.S. and 2) fix the economy

(in all seriousness, LA's first post is pretty much it. you can't automatically expect anything from anyone. you can't expect honor and integrity or ANYTHING from anyone until you have been given a reason to know it's there. same thing for any quality. like you can't expect that a person will like a certain type of humor until they show it themselves.)

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 7:23:53 AM

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For me personally, along with honour and integrity, taking responsibility for ALL of your own shit is vital. There is no honour or integrity in making our own failings, someone else's fault.

Be an example.

That was awesome, LeeAnn. It's a lesson I only recently learned and wow did it change some things for me. Thank you for posting that!

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RE: I want to know what happened to honor and integrity - 11/21/2008 7:24:56 AM

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honor and integrity in masters is now being extracted and used to synthesize a medicine that causes fat cells to turn to gold.
they're hoping that it will 1) cure the obesity issue in the U.S. and 2) fix the economy

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