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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 8:40:55 AM

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Hi newflowers,

That's an interesting take on it. I would say that most of the slaves that I have interacted with loved to hear a "good girl", and they certainly relish guidance and control. To my mind, that doesn't make it AP related. By the way, in the original post, when I said "age player" I was referring to those who would literally wander around a party in the knee socks, patent leather saddle shoes, white cotton panties, school girl skirt etc. or in the extreme, in trap-door jammies carrying a teddybear and sucking their thumb.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 9:49:07 AM

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Leonidas

Angel thanks You for taking the time to responding to this ones question.
As always she is grateful for Your words.

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 9:56:10 AM

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You are welcome, angel. My compliments to your master on how his girl handles herself in public. Grace is not nearly common enough, even though it doesn't cost a thing.

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 10:18:03 AM

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Leonidas

Greetings.

As for the white silk meaning, in the books it was for virgin.
Online it means you are off limits.
In RT for stormi's Gorean Master it means that stormi is off
limits completely whether it is online or off. Master owns a
HTML chat for Goreans, while expected to show respect when
addressing others, stormi is off limits in many ways.

You are right tho... Most Gorean Masters or FW (Mistresses)
are very leary of the rest of the community because there is
so little respect for the fact that something in those Norman
books worked for them or struck something in the Masters
that gave them a "idea" of what kind of protocols or actions
they wanted to adapt to their own.

As for the Daddy title....... if you stop to think, it's the same thing.
If someone does not understand it, then it's wrong to them or there
is something "sick" in using that title. Who gives anyone the right to say
or judge that for someone else?

For a lifestyle that contains BDSM, Leather, Gorean, Kink or whatever
title someone calls their particular life or fantasy, where so many say
be understanding and be supportive because everyone reads or does it
differently, there is suprising and yet not so surprising little acceptance
or understanding.

This girl's tag line, her statements, thoughts or feelings have been repeatedly
bashed, made fun of, or attacked all the while by those that claim that this girl
is doing the attacking and they had done nothing.

News flash..... this girl will not go away. It is not Master's wish nor the girl's.
stormi is here to stay, and will when moved to do so and feels that she can contribute
to a topic respond, just as she tried to explain about her leather brothers/sisters
and the title of Daddy. So the bottom line for that must be .... Deal with it.

Leonidas, stormi appreciates your thoughts and statements. This girl wishes you
and yours the very best and hopes that you find a community in which there is
more than a single way tolerated.. if not please feel free to visit us here in Texas
where its live and let live.

You can feel free to address this girl and her Master anytime off line by using the following
email addresses.

[email protected]
[email protected]

In Leather,
stormi
property of Master Bear

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 10:29:24 AM

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Angel,

You are quiet correct. Not only in the Gorean world but in the Leather
and BDSM... well the BDSMers that live life outside the computer.

Miss Manners was the one this girl thinks that said if you have a problem with
a child go to the parent. Going to the child in these days can cause alot
of problems, surely we all agree on that.

In the Leather world where this girl was taught to nuture her inner feelings
of needing to serve and the true meaning of code... HONOR, PRIDE, RESPECT.
If ANYONE has a problem with a submissive or slave that is collared/ko'lared,
then they go to the Master/Dominant. NOT to anyone else or the slave/sub.

Daddy/girl and Daddy/boy relationships are to be given the same respect.
THEY are not asking for anyone to conform or to "bless" it. They merely found
what works for them. Bless them for that..... for being brave enough to do
what WORKS for THEM!!! We should all be so lucky.

Sylverdawn, Master and His girl have found what works for their lives. They did
not and will not ask permission to live the path that makes light and laughter work
for them.

Best Wishes,
stormi
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< Message edited by stormiKnightBEAR -- 8/11/2004 10:41:16 AM >

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 10:43:56 AM

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I have said about all I care to on the various meanings of silk colors, slave girl. I agree with you. How you behave in public is your master's business, and reflects on him alone.

I might have missed it, but I don't think I saw anyone bash those who use the term "Daddy" here. I did see some folks say that it isn't for them personally. These little side-trips aside, I like what I've read on this thread. There are some points of view about it that I hadn't considered before, which is why I started the thread in the first place.

I appreciate the news flash, slave girl. I am sure that you'll say and do whatever it is that your master permits and encourages.

Communities vary, stormi, and tend to meet the needs of their members. I, personally, have enjoyed the fellowship of men who did happen to see things pretty much the same way, and in fact did have little tolerance for those who just made things up to suit them. When a man says that he shares my values, I like knowing that we are talking about pretty much the same thing. Just me. If your master's way is different, that's fine too.

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 11:24:16 AM

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quote:

If ANYONE has a problem with a submissive or slave that is collared/ko'lared,
then they go to the Master/Dominant. NOT to anyone else or the slave/sub.

This has been my experience of expected protocol around Leather / Old Guard, as I have written on a previous post. It has not been my experience of Gorean protocol (except online, for the reasons mentioned earlier). If a slave displeases a free Gorean, any free Gorean, she can expect to be delt with right then and there. It could be that your master tends to lean more toward the Leather / Old Guard way of doing things, since, as you have said, you are involved with both.

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 12:12:52 PM

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IF in any of the other two post you thought that this girl was speaking of you
in terms of bashing anyone for anything, the please re-read. That was not this
girl's intent. This girl believes that all are entitled to their own practice of whatever
belief they have.

This girl has been and continues by certain ones to be belittled, attacked, or
aggressively alienated by some. This does not bother the girl.

Master is of very strong Gorean beliefs, He also has adapted things along the
way that suited Him and His needs. Master did not know or understand leather
until a friend of His (wife) Free Companion introduced them to Leather(stormi was
the girl). By the same token this girl did not know and still doesn't but is learning from
Master and others what she can to be a better slave to Master of the Gorean ways.

Many in this girl's leather community believe that somewhere along the line
Master must have been exposed to the leather side without knowledge because
He does have Old Guard beliefs in many ways. But at the same time you are correct
in assuming Master would not allow another to "punish" or take any liberties with His
girl, hence the white silk. Most acknowledge this is a hands off girl.

This girl does hope that we are able to get back on the topic and that hopefully somewhere
down the line that there becomes a better way to express one's self without making others
feel they are being dismissed/belittled/or banished for having the strength to do what
makes them happy.

BTW, Sir, Master has two sayings.... that were well thought of in the Leather world His girl
comes from and very accepted. What is His is His and Bear don't share.

Be Well Sir and please feel free to contact Master anytime with your thoughts or even criticizism.

stormi
property of Master Bear

< Message edited by stormiKnightBEAR -- 8/11/2004 12:14:06 PM >

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 1:18:12 PM

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I just Adore Goreans
whom talk about how
things are done in real
life like it is a fact for All.
My new slaves and those
whom are not sexual wear
actuall white silks in My HOME.
Those whom are not new or
virgins or are trained spacifically
for a certain action wear Red silks.
Thats My Real life GOR and thats
My Online GOR as well and whats
written in the books. Leon You have
never been to My GOR Home, Gor
Group, Gor retreat hence You havent
a clue how the My self nor the Goreans
around Me act. But Your opinion that
All act the way You say is quite wrong.
The way You and those in You know are
the only ones You speak of, Not for Me.

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 2:25:27 PM

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Still thinking about this topic so I hope it takes MrThorns...

Looking it up (i have a word fetish) many of the denotations of *Master* are emcompassed in Daddy. Having authority over another; one that conquers, the male head of the household; a male teacher, having chief authority; to gain through understanding - these are all "Master" and one has the synonyms of expert, victor, leader.

Encompassing the qualities of "Master," as a title, "Daddy" is different. Master may carefully guard and care for his property; as a good and responsible steward so should he. The objectification of that duty, however, may, but does not necessaily, include the warmer, more emotive qualities of "Daddy."

Additionally, daddies have little girls (and thank heaven for them). Little girls need the qualities of a master which daddy does indeed possess, but they also need more than that; to be cared for and nurtured, to be kept safe, to feel safe, to experience a playful outlet, to have one who kisses the ouchies, among others with the one who is those things and wishes to express those qualities within a personal dynamic.

No doubt there are masters who encompass the qualities of a daddy and there are slaves who have littles inside, however, the *Master* does not connote the same personal and intimate bonding of complements as does Daddies and their girls.

newflowers

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 2:33:58 PM

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So what color of silk should a Daddy wear?

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 2:41:40 PM

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do they make flannel silks?

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 2:42:37 PM

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I slide into Daddy-mode pretty easily. I am less sadistic (If you can actually believe that) and lean towards a very protective and very focused personality. It's a different headspace from "Master-mode".

I think Master can be pretty intimidating to the little girls. Daddy may be strict, but there is still a very comforting feeling about the structure involved. I think it comes from a huge feeling of trust. KNOWING that everything is going to be okay...knowing that Daddy is there and will take care of you. It's cozy. At least, thats the environment I try to establish as Daddy.

afmvdp...

(Gotta keep the pot stirred, dontcha? heh... )

~Thorns

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 2:45:40 PM

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Rainbow and very soft
GD

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 2:50:24 PM

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T -

I would agree - intimidating is a good word to describe it. Not always intimidating outwardly, but intimidating to the spirit in being uncertain and the feeling of being protected is not there, feeling almost fear of being crushed.

If a daddy is wearing silk, one can only hope it is scarves around his neck with which one is to be bound to the bed, and blue is always good, or red, or yellow, or green, or rainbow prints - the color is not as important as the purpose.

newflowers

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 2:57:20 PM

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Leonidas,

I would agree that melting upon hearing "good girl" and relishing the feelings of control and guidance do not make AP. As previously stated, I think it is a different and warmer dynamic within an interpersonal relationship.

As for running around in school girl outfits and pajamas - that may be a mighty fine game as well, but I have not attended that party.

newflowers

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 3:17:49 PM

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Somebody has to do it...might as well be the one already labeled as asshole by most. (hmm...perhaps this is another good argument for benefits of labels for the other thread)

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 3:25:21 PM

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quote:

So what color of silk should a Daddy wear?

Gold. With a big red D on his chest that matches his cape and boots.

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 3:39:09 PM

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I normally just read the forums and haven't posted in the past. This one touched on something that matters to me and I felt it was a good time to join in.

I have been active in the lifestyle for five and a half years. I identify as submissive. After experiencing many different things as well as styles of relationships, I happend across an excellent article on the Daddy Dom. I found that it spoke to me as well as my needs and desires.

It isn't that I lack a Daddy in my life. I had an active father growing up also. While we could all sit and contemplate for a very long time what makes each of us have our bit different than the norm interests within BDSM, I disagree that the leaning toward a Daddy Dom needs to mean a person with pediophile desires.

For myself, a Daddy Dom doesn't imply at all that I am a little girl or that he is my father or father figure. I don't want or need him to replace my father. What does touch me in the Daddy Dom arena is the tenderness and more intimate sort of relationship that it affords..for me.

It allows me a deeper sense of being valued and cherished. It washes over me a more secure and gentler form of Dominance than other sorts that I have experienced in the past.

The Daddy Dominant that I have experienced as well as many others that I have spoken to both on the submissive side of things as well as from the Dominant side, seems to be a lighter version than the typical Dominant. More understanding, most certainly just as strict and stern...yet handling things in a much different way.

A wonderful website that expresses all of what I am trying to and am failing at can be found at www.subspace.cc/daddydoms.htm

Respectfully,

morgan

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RE: Daddy? - 8/11/2004 3:46:33 PM

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Morgan,

Thanks for the link to a very good essay.
-a-

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