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GreyDragon1952 -> Gorean slave silks (8/11/2004 12:48:03 PM)
To start this I have to say I think somewhere along the line something was mixed up about the meaning of the colors of silks, and since I have been taken to task over it, I would explain my position. I never think the slave is at fault in as far as this was the Masters doing slave can do little on their own when it comes to saying who and what they are. Or what they wear. Gorean slaves are told what to put in the signatures and profiles. For me this just one of the many pet peeves I have with the corrupting of the different meanings of terms from this World of Gor. Now if John Norman had written it different then I would follow that stance, but he states not just once but many times over in many of the books that to be a white silk is to be a virgin. they are to be held back untill such time as the owner wishes to have them openned. untill that time a girl can be worked at any number of tasks save for the easing of a Males need for pleasure. Such slaves can even be taught to be pleasure slaves and dancers all without having been openned for use by a male. So a white silk girl can also claim to be a pleasure silk by training if not in fact as well as dance. I have the same problem with those calling them selves red silk girls who have taken the extra step and learned in greater detail the arts of being a pleasure slaves, and yet the definition of red silk is any girl that is non virgin. What the girls are, and to me this a major step upward as a trained pleasure slave, or even a trained dancer, not every red silk girl could be these things, and its a far better description of what they now are verses, just being called a red silk. Yet when I bring this up almost without batting an eye lid they say they have earned their red silks and I should not take them away. I’m not! I am in fact elevating them to pleasure silks and or dancing silks, I think the terms are far and away far sexier, and intoxicating. Within the books when other lower red silk girls saw a pleasure silk or dancing slave they knew they were looking at a slave way above them even though they might feel above one, talking between themselve as to how a girl could ever humble herselve as to wear such things the same thing is said about ear rings. Red silks are like your plain wrapper as far as say underwear, but pleasure silks? Does that trem not tend to be more inflaming to Men, silks that were made for pleasure and to give pleasure alone! What is a red silk have in compare to something made for pleasure. And that is what the girls that have done the testing should have.They have earn it. and they are being short changed, in what they have worked so hard for. they have made themselve better slaves, more Beautiful slaves. and yet have been told that red silk is the high point of a girls training. comman girls that were not ready for full service were often call kettle girls, bondsmaids, and what not, any could all be used for pleasure, but not have recived any specail training for it. Restrictions placed on a girl verbally call on others to respect the Male who placed them, as we all know this does not prevent it from happening, much as a car is stolen for a joy ride, so too are slaves. Real restrictions call for something more physical sort of like using the club to lock the steering wheel to deter a thief. This makes since even online the girl does not risk infuriation of the male because she can’t remove it to please him, she did not put it on herself, her Master did. The slave is blameless about it. and is saved form dishonoring her Master. Now you can say I'm full of shit because other people decided to do it differently. Fine keep it up. I will just keep teaching it my way and let the chips fall where they may. this My opinon and I'm sticking to it. Grey Dragon

Leonidas -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/11/2004 1:37:09 PM)
GreyDragon, I can't tell if you are sent here by some god with a twisted sense of humor to embarrass me, or just on a mission to drive me to drink, or what. We just wrestled this to the ground on another thread (that wasn't about this, by the way), and now you want to start a new thread about something that is of absolutely no interest to almost everyone here? None of this has anything at all to do with the way that anyone I know lives this. Let me set a few facts straight for you, though. If a girl in the books was in pleasure silks, it probably meant that her master was rich, or that she was a girl in a brothel like tavern and was available for the use of the patrons. No more, no less. If she was in dancing silks, she was, more often than not, an entertainer in a tavern, or again, an entertainer in the hall or camp of some rich or regal master. Not all slaves in the books looked up to slaves in dancing silks, or silks in general. "Silk girl" when said by a bondsmaid (northern girl) was an insult when directed at a southern girl. Northern girls thought, as did their masters, that rarified slaves that were only fit for walled pleasure gardens were practically useless. Northerners prefered a girl with a good stout rump and hips (love cradle) that could be used hard when it it pleased her owner, and then go heard the goats without skipping a beat. Kettle girls were not slaves that were "not ready for full service". They were domestics. They cooked and cleaned. They might have been in that lowly station because they pissed off their master, or it could be because that was all they were good for. It wasn't necessarily a step along the way to pleasure-slavedom. Bondsmaids were not "girls not ready for full service" either. They were northern slaves owned by Torvaldslanders (think Viking). They would always be bondsmaids, unless they were sold south. I have never had the need to put a chastity belt on a slave to send her to the market. Someone raping her along side the road because they noticed that she was a a pretty slave isn't too common here in southern california. If I lived on the fictional Gor I might, but I don't live there. I have dressed slaves in silks to be pleasing to the eye at parties, or from time to time for my own amusement, but silks don't really have anything to do with a high state of achievement in a slave. I have trained pleasure slaves. There is a woman who posts here sometimes that is one. I don't know that I would train a pleasure slave again. You are, in effect, sentencing her to ache for use and dominantion constantly, forever, amen. My experience has been that a woman that highly trained just finds life really hard, because there just aren't that many men who know what to do with her. I'm not going to say that you're full of shit GreyDragon. I will say that I think you are misguided. You are in that strange no-man's land between what is real, and what is fantasy. I do wish you the best of fortune.

NightDaughter -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/11/2004 1:40:56 PM)
Well i have never read a gor book, thoughI have tried to get my paws on a few a couple of times without luck. I have no interest in gor, however, some of the areas that people post about, such as yourself I do find somewhat interesting to read about. Everyone has their choises to make for how they serve, be it gor, old guard, leather, or what have you, so long as you know that there are other choices out there and tha tyou cna respect other's choices that is what matters. luck and light to you

MistressDREAD -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/11/2004 1:50:36 PM)
Now You tempt to tell Others what They want to speak about or not Leon?/ HAHAHAH!! Grey is just learning how to use the boards He was answering things from His mail and as it came to Him not realizing that it went to other Posts. It happens to most who are new here. Now He comes to the Boards to post it the way He desires so that its not with other posts and You want to talk shit? Your are always speaking about this Group of GOR You know and what * THEY do but never speak about Your self but profess to be Gorean. FYI Your ways of GOR are NOT My ways but They hold just as much FACT as any Goreans. Ohh yes I on average address maybe 60 emails a day on GOR to Your just addressing One that You mentioned. Dont work Your self up a sweat on it Leon. I enjoy watching You get embarrused Leon....... Pleaz dont drive if Your gonna drink![:D]

MistressDREAD -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/11/2004 1:53:47 PM)
NightDaughter email Me on the other side and I can give you access to all the books with out any troubles. You want to purchase sum or all? I can arrange that as well with ease.

WayHome -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/11/2004 2:01:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leonidas I have trained pleasure slaves. There is a woman who posts here sometimes that is one. I don't know that I would train a pleasure slave again. You are, in effect, sentencing her to ache for use and dominantion constantly, forever, amen. My experience has been that a woman that highly trained just finds life really hard, because there just aren't that many men who know what to do with her. Would you mind elaborating some more here? I would like to here more of your take on this as it touches on issues in my own life.

Leonidas -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/11/2004 2:43:21 PM)
I'm sorry Dread, but your ways are mostly a fiction, not fact. You bitched at me before for saying that some of the site links that you posted were going to contain some misinformation. Here's an example: quote: The white silk slave is not necessarily virgin, merely reserved for her Master/Mistress's sole use. They are generally permitted to serve drinks and food and conversation but sexual use is forbidden and corporal punishment is at the hands of the owners. Masters and Mistress's insulted, may embarrass, confine or display the slave, but may not strike in any way nor permit another to do so. They do not use the term "slave heat" except in serves to their Owners. There is some controversy in using this term as many Goreans feel only a "true virgin" should be white silk, this view varies depending on the region of Gor. - "Assassin of Gor" p.88 & "Explorers of Gor" p. 172 from http://www.counter-urth.com/CF/slavetypes.html Now, this is one of the links that you provided, that you chastised me for saying might contain some mis-information. Neither Assassin of Gor on pg. 88 nor Explorers of Gor on page 172 say anything even remotely similar to that. Not even close. It doesn't suprise me that you have slaves running around in your house in one color silk or another. You're making it up as you go, just like the above is made up. Just someone's idea of how it should be. The fact that someone thinks that is how it should be isn't what makes it misinformation though. It's the part where it was attributed to the books. I feel sorry for those 60 people a day who are e-mailing you. You are sending them to sites like the one above to learn the "facts of Gor". It's sad, Dread. I really encourage you to take a step back and examine what you're doing here. I know that I'm not going to change your MO much, or that of your online free companion. I will correct whatever misinformation you post here, though, until I get fed up and leave. The owners of this board are good enough to provide this resource for free, they don't need it dominated with this crap. Nobody here cares about any of this Dread. There are plenty of Gorean boards for these kinds of arguments and threads.

Leonidas -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/11/2004 2:56:14 PM)
Thank you, Wayhome. An intelligent question that might have something to do with life. Pleasure girls are trained to be very excitable, and for all intents and purposes, insatiable. The natural tendency that they have to respond to domination sexually is accentuated through conditioning. EString was talking about teaching his girl to cum on command. It's like that, but the girl is taught to be hyper-aware of dominance in a man. Just a tone of voice or body language that suggest domination will set her rubbing her thighs together with need. She is also taught to be, as I said, just about insatiable. The girl that I was speaking of before would tell you that if she came 100 times, she'd beg for 101. It's not hard to see how a girl like that would be good to have around if you are a man with a big sexual appitite, or if you are in a situation where you aren't opposed to allowing her to be used by others from time to time. If you are a typical three times a week joe, the slave is going to be in misery most of the time. I wrote elsewhere about wisdom in this life sometimes being the difference between what you can do, and what you should. Training a pleasure slave, unless you are sure you want a pleasure slave, is one of those things.

stormiKnightBEAR -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/11/2004 2:57:35 PM)
For the bashing on the signature line of this girl's post, she feels it entitles her to explain how it works in her Master's world. Red Silk slaves are slaves that serve all who come to Master's html chat CAMP. They are slaves that are protected by the "circle" of Dominants within the camp that Master has trust in. The red silk slave is also available to be ko'lared by another should the Master in question and the slave in question agree. If she wears the UBAR ko'lar then the Master would respectfully talk to KS Warder about it before ko'laring. THAT IS ONLINE. ONLINE Master has His girl in silks to translate a meaning to others. Master's girl stormi is off limits. It is not up for discussion. It's not a matter of what YadaYada says is right or what someone disagrees with. IT"S making it work for YOU that counts. This girl's Master has His required protocol that His girl follows. It is RIGHT for the two of them NOT for everyone else. It's amazing how others want to sit in complete judgment and point out bull just so they can fill fulfilled. Bring your sarcasism and ridicule to the camp sometime..... Master and stormi can sit and watch you debate with many others that believe basically the same way. EVERYONE IS ENTITLED to THEIR own beliefs and practices. Done, stormi property of Master Bear P.S. Gray if you wish to contact Master Please DO!! stormi is positive that He will enjoy your point of view. However it might be the weekend before you hear back as it is pre-season football for us at this time.

stormiKnightBEAR -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/11/2004 2:58:30 PM)
Just a 5 cent view. Most of the time..... you make a lot of sense. Thank You stormi property of Master Bear

stormiKnightBEAR -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/11/2004 2:59:18 PM)
oops.. double posted.. pardon stormi

Sundew02 -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/12/2004 1:11:43 AM)
The best part of being human and able to communicate with others is the ability to learn. I have asked questions about Gor simply because it is something I know next to nothing about. An open mind does not mean an empty vessel that has no say in what is poured into it. I will continue to listen, but reserve the right to decide what is valid and what is fantasy. Which is why IMO, is such a necessary declaimer. Having said that, I will concede that any of you have a much better knowledge of the subject. But I will stand with Leo on this, unless you are speaking of the bible (or other religions holy books), no work of fiction was meant to direct your life. IF the world of GOR was a real place then you could justifiably say this is the way it is supposed to be. Since it is not, it is a work of fiction, the product of a mans imagination. Then all are welcome to their opinion, but not to state as fact, "my way or the highway" mentality. And this is IMO, Sundew

GreyDragon1952 -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/12/2004 1:54:54 AM)
I don’t suffer from insanity I enjoy every moment of it. I really can’t believe you don’t enjoy this every bit as much as I do. If we don’t debate it and make our points then how are others to realize the importance of the topic? Yes for you its of little interest thats why you were the first one to post a reply[;)] If the girl wore anything at all it simply means she had been and was continuing to be pleasing to him. In day-to-day practice your right slaves wore or didn’t wear anything their Masters didn’t desire them to. I was talking about the so called tags the online girls wear. Real life there does not seem to be much point, you know what your slave can and cannot do. I read Marauders of Gor, and know the feelings of the Northern girls and Men about the so called silk girls of the south. At least as portrayed in the story as told. Your right. In your statements there. Lets face it the kettle girl or tower slave, or household slave was and is always put to full service, be it the domestic chores or the servicing of the males after their daily chores were completed. After all the household slaves were to take care of those males that provided service to the house be as guards, or the house cook or guests. Yes as for your slaves being sent out to the market in Calif. Well lets face it rape is not a high probability crime so many make it out to be its more rare but does happen and lets face it we don’t place a sign on the girl saying she is a slave either or send her out naked or unprepared without instructions as to what to do. I wonder what would happen if it got out that some girls were known to be slaves, and if the men took the time to find out the girl by training could not really say no to a free. (Well in fact a girl can say no at any time we are not on Gor, and its still rape so it’s a moot point) Male, but then again such a thing just does not come up, but in the rare case it might happen, I wonder just what the would be rapist would think seeing one. To say the least it would be the last thing he would expect to see. But no! there is no pressing need to place a chastity belt on one on a girl unless you just happen to want to do it. This was as an online Exercise not for real life. I gcan only guess I have to make it clear when I'm speaking about online role-play or real life, some some seem to think that they are one and the same, If I was not making myself clear, I thank you for pointing out to me so I can make the Clarification For the most part I will be talking about online role-play, and I would like your input as when online role-play can work real life, or why it can't help with real life. I think it’s highly important that we don't confuse online with real life, and also find out what might work for both. As I said above real life slaves you know what they can and can not do, and there are no tags to wear real life. online tags for girls? is that not like giving then bits of jewelry to wear quote: My experience has been that a woman that highly trained just finds life really hard, because there just aren't that many men who know what to do with her. I find this statement puzzling coming from you, as your not training her to please just anyone, but yourself, and I would hope you would know what to do with your own slave. And if you were to let your friends use her, would it not encourage them to learn what to do with her or a girl train to respond like her. I can just see the stun looks on their faces when they run up against a truly trained pleasure slave for the first time. Also I was under the impression we wanted the girl to be hot and sensitized for our pleasure, and I stress the word our, the fact that it cause some discomfort in the girl as she waits, should make it just that much more exciting to watch her as she moves around the house doing whatever it is she has to do it just might give you a reason to get rid of the TV or even the computer if you had something more interesting to watch and do.. This is just what women have done to males for years, keeping us teased and waiting, it suppose to be we in control and she should be in a high state of discomfort and readiness. But if your telling me you can’t handle it, then I guess your right you don’t need to have one. Your assessment of me is not far off; I would not go so far as to call me misguided. I am reading from the source, and simply working to figure out the fantasy from the real life what I can get to work and what I can’t. Finding real life examples is not that easy as you have pointed out it’s a fairly closed group, than don’t like outsiders passing judgment on their way of life. Can I make it work at all for me that’s the goal, how far can I take it once I get the ball rolling is the challenge. Let me go back to your history, I do not think you faced 40foot seas your first time out now did you. You worked your way up to it, testing your self each time, and each time you learned a little bit more about yourself, found you could push your limits a bit farther each time. was it that much different learning your life style? or did a fully trained slave girl drop onto your doorstep and you were completly prepared for her.. Well that’s where I am, I fully admitted this is a somewhat new lifestyle for me anyone reading my posts should be able to figure that out. If I can embarrass you, then maybe you need to be, some of my points cannot be all that far off the mark as you might like them to be and I have caught you giving maybe not the best advice. What you can’t say about me is that I’m not bothering to learn from what sources I can find I.e. the books written and these boards and other web sites that are out there. If I stick my foot in my mouth then I ready to taste shoe leather. I'm going to learn something even if it hurts. Drive you to drink?, humm a sailor that don’t drink what can I say?, that just does not fit the man that can face the sea and look forward to challenging it. Then again it’s easier to face what you know than what you don’t know. You can’t be telling everyone that I’m harder to figure out than the sea. Or that with just a few posts I have manage to get under your skin. Again that just does not add up. I have more respect for you than that. You’re either real or a 1st class bullshiter, knowing sailors I would say bullshiter would be a good bet. But until I get to know you better I will give you the benefit of a doubt. All in all Gor can be fun, real life and online, thought finding good online role play is as hard as finding real life Goreans, finding bad role play, lol well that very easy to find, I don't want it to sound like its not fun, what would be the point in that? By the way just what is the size of your sailboat? I wish you well, may we both live though intersting times Grey Dragon

GreyDragon1952 -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/12/2004 2:17:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WayHome quote: ORIGINAL: Leonidas I have trained pleasure slaves. There is a woman who posts here sometimes that is one. I don't know that I would train a pleasure slave again. You are, in effect, sentencing her to ache for use and dominantion constantly, forever, amen. My experience has been that a woman that highly trained just finds life really hard, because there just aren't that many men who know what to do with her. Would you mind elaborating some more here? I would like to here more of your take on this as it touches on issues in my own life. See what happens when you say you can train a slave and get a girl so worked up that she’s begging to serve your pleasure. You have others asking how its done, I willing to bet there are women that like to see what it might feel like to be that charged up over a period of time to feel that helpless. Thats an thread I will be following closely Grey Dragon

GreyDragon1952 -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/12/2004 3:19:14 AM)
quote: For the bashing on the signature line of this girl's post, she feels it entitles her to explain how it works in her Master's world. Its your Masters place to say how things work in His camp not his slave. don't even start that line, it won't fly. and if your Master can not be bothered to do it then its not that important to him hence you have nothing to say about it I will apologize if you feel it was bashing. (How is it bashing when I called you a virgin) How often does a Free do that for a slave? Did I come down too hard, well maybe, but it was done without malice toward you. By the way a friend of yours sent me some emails about it her biggest complant is I don't use a spell checker I know it works for you or your Master would not have done it. The point I was trying to make that the term as your Master has used it was not its original intent, see I read, I’ve read most all the books and so when I see just about all the role-play rooms say they role-play as close to the books as they can, well its just little things like that makes me question what other details may have been change that I would not understand. And such an easy thing to fix. I don’t expect every thing to be by the books, but then I’m still fairly new to online even having been online 8 years. I keep asking why when I point it out, and the standard reply is that the way its always been done and that’s that An outsider can look at a slaves tags such as silk color and come up with a different meaning for it. Would I have seek to use you, no white silk girls are not to be used till their Master says so, so yes its cut and dried nobody is to use you. Yet to be called a white silk slave is 1st saying your new 2 you meybe very inexperienced and maybe even untrained and 3 yes dare I say it again virgin! that’s how many set up a new girl placing her in white silks till she received some training., even thought I know white silks are often trained highly before their first use, the awarding of red silks. Just how many real life virgins are there role-playing Gor anyways?

jillwfsub4blkdom -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/12/2004 4:00:03 AM)
GreyDragon, This might sound like a truly dumb question but why do You care about what people from Gor do online? Isn't it more important how they live their life in reality and not on a computer? As far as i am concerned, anyone can make up or act anyway they want on a computer. Is that reality or are they acting out some kind of fantasy?

jillwfsub4blkdom -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/12/2004 4:07:42 AM)
quote: I enjoy watching You get embarrused Leon Dread, i am truly sorry that You have nothing better to do. It truly makes You appear trifling by utilizing all Your energy trying to bait another person. Disagreement is fine but Your total lack of respect of any opinion that differs from Your own is appalling. Someone can appear strong and knowledgeable without demeaning another. Antagonism shows a weakness.

jillwfsub4blkdom -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/12/2004 4:10:25 AM)
Sundew, What a wonderful response and i agree with You completely.

darkinshadows -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/12/2004 4:33:40 AM)
quote: Its your Masters place to say how things work in His camp not his slave. don't even start that line, it won't fly. and if your Master can not be bothered to do it then its not that important to him hence you have nothing to say about it Forgive me now, but Angel becomes confused? Is it not her Masters place to allow her (if He wishes) to express His Will? if a kettlegirl is a domestic slave within a camp, could stormi not be her Masters messenger, if He so chooses? Angel waits, eagarly for openess in response to her question. quote: Now you can say I'm full of shit because other people decided to do it differently. Fine keep it up. I will just keep teaching it my way and let the chips fall where they may. this My opinon and I'm sticking to it. Why be concerned about anothers opinion at all? You have Yours, and it is as valid as the view of the Master of stormi. Everyone has a different outlook on the same book... judgements of others do not matter when one is happy within their own dynamic. 'Respect is not how ones dynamic works... but the way a person portrays themself with dignity and strength.'

jillwfsub4blkdom -> RE: Gorean slave silks (8/12/2004 4:38:31 AM)
quote: 'Respect is not how ones dynamic works... but the way a person portrays themself with dignity and strength.' Angel, Wonderful quote. Do you know who that can be attributed to?

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