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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/21/2009 5:18:13 PM   
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i.e., oral is categorically a more intimate thing, like kissing, it isn't a procreative act, no other animal does it, unless they do it to themselves.


Um.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality#Oral_sex

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/21/2009 5:19:27 PM   
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As a dominate I would have to say

That's "dominant"

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/21/2009 5:21:35 PM   
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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/21/2009 7:16:32 PM   
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I dunno, you said "blow job or stroking a mans cock is more submissive to me than sex" so I figured you knew firsthand what giving a blow job to a mans cock is like.


I would think a dominant can have an opinion about what he thinks shows submission more than something else.  I wasn't saying what made her feel more submissive. 

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/21/2009 7:18:57 PM   
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As a dominate I would have to say

That's "dominant"


Thanks for the spelling lesson.  I'll give you a call when I want that teacher fantasy fulfilled. 

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/21/2009 7:56:31 PM   
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I think she was being hyperbolistic as a form of humor, but there is certainly some fair bit of truth to that.

The thing is, slaves manipulate all the time, it's a good thing.  The issue is whether they are manipulating in line with the owners standards.


Now Now that's too much truth for some people to handle you know.. :^P

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/21/2009 8:53:04 PM   
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But you still can't deny that the enjoyment either sexually or otherwise that someone receives from it has much more to do with the enjoyment of pleasing another rather than actually physical stimulation.
That sounds like an opinion.


This reminds me a lot of the topic that comes up once a week here:  "Is it a submissive act when a Dom goes down on his sub"

Some think it is, some think it isn't.  I agree it's a subjective thing, but I also see where Secret is coming from in a sense.  Whether dom or sub, whether sucking cock or going down on a female, I think (but I'm not speaking for all people) that most of us when performing oral sex, are focused mainly upon the pleasure and sexual stimulation of the receiving partner.  This isn't to say that the "giving" partner isn't necessarily enjoying it on some level, but aren't most of us concentrating on getting our partner off sexually (rather than ourselves) when we're giving them oral?


As a dominate I would have to say that just because I get enjoyment from pleasing my submissive doesn't make it a submissive act.  I'm sure it depends entirely on the dominate and what he desires.  Certainly some doms could see oral as a dominate thing because it gives them control over the person in some way.  I can control what I do with my tongue, how much I tease her, the things I want her to feel. 

So let me ask you a question since we are debating the topic.  Let's say a guy has the ability to get hard, but has no ability to feel anything you are doing to his cock.  Would you at all enjoy giving him head??  If so then I am way off base.  But my guess would be that it would be rather unenjoyable for pretty much anybody.  Having said that, it would mean that the sexual gratification you receive from it would be strictly in the mind, and flowing to the body, and completely based on the idea of pleasuring another.  I've never sucked a cock so I won't presume i am right.  Please feel free to tell me otherwise, cause now I'm curious.



first, as stated by LA, "dominant" is a noun, "dominate" is a verb. sorry, just couldn't keep it in.

now as far as your paragraph above, the same could apply to any sexual act, not simply cocksucking. as a submissive, my pleasure/fulfillment from sex comes primarily from pleasing my partner, from knowing that a man is enjoying his use of my and my service. if a man were fucking me and getting nothing out of it, then it follows that i wouldn't get anything out of it either. now, does this kind of pleasure always translate to actual physical arousal? of course not, it may or may not. but nonetheless the fulfillment in the sexual act, for me anyhow, comes from pleasing my partner.

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/21/2009 8:59:09 PM   
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After reading rednicky's thread and several of the reply/comments; it brought to mind a convo I had about a year ago with a submissive that made the final jump froma switch to pure submissive.

The conversation went along the line of why did she decide on sub only and with her usual wit and candor, she replied she had learned that she could much better retrieve what she wanted from the relationship by just taking care of her dominant's cock as a means to get into his minset and amplify or change it.

Be it oral or just a stroking she could manipulate him even during one of his "off" moods.

In your experience as eithera "D" or an "s" care to comment on the concept?

CP


now, to finally respond to the OP...

perhaps he's a rare man, or perhaps we just have a drastically different type of relationship than most, but i have no ability to manipulate my Master (nor any desire to do so) in any fashion...not with a well-performed sexual act or anything else. by serving my Master well, i am only doing what i am supposed to do, fulfilling my duty and place. if somehow i happen to serve him in a way that makes him especially pleased, then he will usually remark on it and i will get plenty of hugs and kisses and a heartfelt "good girl." and then i had better get my butt up and take out the garbage, wash his underwear, fix his lunch for the next day, etc. if a punishment was planned for me, it will still be meted out. if he had some devious plans for me the next day, they will still be carried out. life goes on as normal, no matter how much i make his toes curl.

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/21/2009 9:17:55 PM   
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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/21/2009 9:18:52 PM   
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As a dominate I would have to say that just because I get enjoyment from pleasing my submissive doesn't make it a submissive act.  I'm sure it depends entirely on the dominate and what he desires.  Certainly some doms could see oral as a dominate thing because it gives them control over the person in some way.  I can control what I do with my tongue, how much I tease her, the things I want her to feel. 


Oh, I agree.  I merely brought that up because it seemed analagous to the "Is giving head, submissive?", thing.

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So let me ask you a question since we are debating the topic.  Let's say a guy has the ability to get hard, but has no ability to feel anything you are doing to his cock.  Would you at all enjoy giving him head??  If so then I am way off base.  But my guess would be that it would be rather unenjoyable for pretty much anybody.  Having said that, it would mean that the sexual gratification you receive from it would be strictly in the mind, and flowing to the body, and completely based on the idea of pleasuring another.  I've never sucked a cock so I won't presume i am right.  Please feel free to tell me otherwise, cause now I'm curious.


Well, I can only speak for myself, not other women.  For me, it's more about feeling "fulfilled" on some mental level, when I'm giving a blow job, because I know that I'm pleasing him.  So I guess that could be called my "enjoyment".  I may or may not be turned on by it on a sexual level.  It all depends.  But if I feel stimulated sexually while giving head, it's still secondary to me, since my focus is on his pleasure during that kind of an act.  If he was having intercourse with me, then I'm feeling physical stimulation which affects my focus and puts it on both of us, or maybe even moreso on my own sensations.  

To answer your question, no,  if a man couldn't feel any pleasure from my giving him a blow job, I wouldn't feel the same sense of satisfaction since I couldn't bring him pleasure in that regard.  However, I might still feel something positive in the fact that I'm doing what he requests for whatever reason.

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/21/2009 9:42:17 PM   
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Sounds like a match made in heaven.

I just wonder if the reason I have a hard time orgasming from oral is because the women were trying to prove something, reducing it to a mechanical act - maybe if she were really into it, I'd get off on that. It's all in your head.


Was that an intentional pun? 

On a serious note, I have actually heard this from men before - that many women are more mechanical than sensual/erotic.  That they start out with a goal in mind, rather than to enjoy the whole process.  Me, I love pleasuring a man this way, but I also tend to adore his taste/feel/scent, and inhaling all of that into me is one of the greatest feelings in the world.  I might not be physically/sexually stimulated by this, but the world around me seems to disappear when I am pleasing him like this.  His responses - the moans, movements, grunts and groans - they direct me.  A little more pressure of the tongue here, a tighter squeeze of the lips there...I could go on forever.  Sure the drink at the end is a treat to but dive in there immediately reaching for that pot of gold means missing out on all the great stuff along the way.

Whoever thinks all women don't enjoy this is flat out wrong.  Some of us really do experience enjoyment in addition to his own.  My former owner used to let me suckle him like this for the simple purpose of allowing both of us to relax.  It wasn't always all about the orgasm for him, either.  Sometimes after sex, this was the best way to bond.


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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/22/2009 2:35:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22

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ORIGINAL: marie2

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

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But you still can't deny that the enjoyment either sexually or otherwise that someone receives from it has much more to do with the enjoyment of pleasing another rather than actually physical stimulation.
That sounds like an opinion.


This reminds me a lot of the topic that comes up once a week here:  "Is it a submissive act when a Dom goes down on his sub"

Some think it is, some think it isn't.  I agree it's a subjective thing, but I also see where Secret is coming from in a sense.  Whether dom or sub, whether sucking cock or going down on a female, I think (but I'm not speaking for all people) that most of us when performing oral sex, are focused mainly upon the pleasure and sexual stimulation of the receiving partner.  This isn't to say that the "giving" partner isn't necessarily enjoying it on some level, but aren't most of us concentrating on getting our partner off sexually (rather than ourselves) when we're giving them oral?


As a dominate I would have to say that just because I get enjoyment from pleasing my submissive doesn't make it a submissive act.  I'm sure it depends entirely on the dominate and what he desires.  Certainly some doms could see oral as a dominate thing because it gives them control over the person in some way.  I can control what I do with my tongue, how much I tease her, the things I want her to feel. 

So let me ask you a question since we are debating the topic.  Let's say a guy has the ability to get hard, but has no ability to feel anything you are doing to his cock.  Would you at all enjoy giving him head??  If so then I am way off base.  But my guess would be that it would be rather unenjoyable for pretty much anybody.  Having said that, it would mean that the sexual gratification you receive from it would be strictly in the mind, and flowing to the body, and completely based on the idea of pleasuring another.  I've never sucked a cock so I won't presume i am right.  Please feel free to tell me otherwise, cause now I'm curious.



If he couldn't feel anything physically but mentally got something (whether arousal, pleasure, happiness etc) from me giving him head then yes not only would I find it enjoyable to give him head but it would be just as rewarding as giving any other guy head. While yes the arousal in giving head is PRIMARILY mental (but You know how much the mental element is involved in my sexuality to begin with) there is also a physical aspect. The best way I can describe it is the arousal you get from touching your partner and feeling the way their body curves or feeling a particular bone structure. There is something unique and arousing about the physical shape and uniqueness of that shape of each individual. Feeling those differences can be sexually stimulating.

I will say that the more I think about this, if I really really wanted to give someone head, even if they didn't feel or mentally get anything from the act, if i want to do it that much I am almost certainly getting both mentally and sexually/physically aroused.

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/22/2009 8:02:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22

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ORIGINAL: secretmaster22
As a dominate I would have to say

That's "dominant"


Thanks for the spelling lesson.  I'll give you a call when I want that teacher fantasy fulfilled. 




Oooooh, will you two just get a room and be done with it?

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/22/2009 8:18:39 AM   
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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/22/2009 8:38:12 AM   
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LOL can he afford my rate? :)


Depends. We need to see the menu!

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/22/2009 9:59:34 AM   
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Me, I love pleasuring a man this way, but I also tend to adore his taste/feel/scent, and inhaling all of that into me is one of the greatest feelings in the world.  I might not be physically/sexually stimulated by this, but the world around me seems to disappear when I am pleasing him like this.  His responses - the moans, movements, grunts and groans - they direct me.  A little more pressure of the tongue here, a tighter squeeze of the lips there...I could go on forever.  Sure the drink at the end is a treat to but dive in there immediately reaching for that pot of gold means missing out on all the great stuff along the way.

Whoever thinks all women don't enjoy this is flat out wrong.  Some of us really do experience enjoyment in addition to his own.  My former owner used to let me suckle him like this for the simple purpose of allowing both of us to relax.  It wasn't always all about the orgasm for him, either.  Sometimes after sex, this was the best way to bond.



OMG.... So - Damn - HOT!  Wish you were my sub. 

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/22/2009 10:27:25 AM   
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This has prob. already been answered as I am about to.. but I just quick replied.

God gave man a leash by which us women, and so inclined males could lead and control the male population.
God also created man with a link from the stomach straight to the heart. Hell, this was the main reason why most young women were taught to cook a generation or two back. To "catch" a "Good Husband".

Manage a mans cock, and his stomach well..... and you will own his heart most of the time.. or at least make it so damn comfortable and convient he will not bother to go else where.

As my mama used to say.... "Men are like wood flooring, lay them right the first time and you can walk on them for 30 years."

Mind you I am in no way a female supreamist... I just understand the workings of males. Tis one of the reasons why I chose females for my closest partners. It takes more then a steak dinner and a damn fine blowjob to win their hearts. Ya gotta really work on it.

Gwyn


Gwyn,

Well thanks for your input and breaking the "22" chain. Without addressing the issue of fem preference, let me just say this; there are still alot of us "Doms" that will not allow a set of lips on the cock sway the actual value of the relationship. I fact for myself, I will not accept a "accomodation" blowjob. Damn I hate that term blowjob!

CP

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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/22/2009 11:50:51 AM   
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Damn I hate that term blowjob!


Makes me think of a fart you're trying to squeeze out to relieve a belly ache withour sounding like a trumpet....


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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/22/2009 12:56:47 PM   
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RE: The cock =the pathway to the mind?? - 1/22/2009 12:57:33 PM   
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LOL can he afford my rate? :)


I can't afford to piss in a hole somebody dug right now.  LOL

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