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But you still can't deny that the enjoyment either sexually or otherwise that someone receives from it has much more to do with the enjoyment of pleasing another rather than actually physical stimulation.

That sounds like an opinion.

This reminds me a lot of the topic that comes up once a week here:  "Is it a submissive act when a Dom goes down on his sub"

Some think it is, some think it isn't.  I agree it's a subjective thing, but I also see where Secret is coming from in a sense.  Whether dom or sub, whether sucking cock or going down on a female, I think (but I'm not speaking for all people) that most of us when performing oral sex, are focused mainly upon the pleasure and sexual stimulation of the receiving partner.  This isn't to say that the "giving" partner isn't necessarily enjoying it on some level, but aren't most of us concentrating on getting our partner off sexually (rather than ourselves) when we're giving them oral?

As a dominate I would have to say that just because I get enjoyment from pleasing my submissive doesn't make it a submissive act.  I'm sure it depends entirely on the dominate and what he desires.  Certainly some doms could see oral as a dominate thing because it gives them control over the person in some way.  I can control what I do with my tongue, how much I tease her, the things I want her to feel. 

So let me ask you a question since we are debating the topic.  Let's say a guy has the ability to get hard, but has no ability to feel anything you are doing to his cock.  Would you at all enjoy giving him head??  If so then I am way off base.  But my guess would be that it would be rather unenjoyable for pretty much anybody.  Having said that, it would mean that the sexual gratification you receive from it would be strictly in the mind, and flowing to the body, and completely based on the idea of pleasuring another.  I've never sucked a cock so I won't presume i am right.  Please feel free to tell me otherwise, cause now I'm curious.

If he couldn't feel anything physically but mentally got something (whether arousal, pleasure, happiness etc) from me giving him head then yes not only would I find it enjoyable to give him head but it would be just as rewarding as giving any other guy head. While yes the arousal in giving head is PRIMARILY mental (but You know how much the mental element is involved in my sexuality to begin with) there is also a physical aspect. The best way I can describe it is the arousal you get from touching your partner and feeling the way their body curves or feeling a particular bone structure. There is something unique and arousing about the physical shape and uniqueness of that shape of each individual. Feeling those differences can be sexually stimulating.

I will say that the more I think about this, if I really really wanted to give someone head, even if they didn't feel or mentally get anything from the act, if i want to do it that much I am almost certainly getting both mentally and sexually/physically aroused.

Respectfully Yours,

Keiko

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ORIGINAL: nafakcha

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ORIGINAL: marie2

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

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But you still can't deny that the enjoyment either sexually or otherwise that someone receives from it has much more to do with the enjoyment of pleasing another rather than actually physical stimulation.

That sounds like an opinion.

This reminds me a lot of the topic that comes up once a week here:  "Is it a submissive act when a Dom goes down on his sub"

Some think it is, some think it isn't.  I agree it's a subjective thing, but I also see where Secret is coming from in a sense.  Whether dom or sub, whether sucking cock or going down on a female, I think (but I'm not speaking for all people) that most of us when performing oral sex, are focused mainly upon the pleasure and sexual stimulation of the receiving partner.  This isn't to say that the "giving" partner isn't necessarily enjoying it on some level, but aren't most of us concentrating on getting our partner off sexually (rather than ourselves) when we're giving them oral?

As a dominate I would have to say that just because I get enjoyment from pleasing my submissive doesn't make it a submissive act.  I'm sure it depends entirely on the dominate and what he desires.  Certainly some doms could see oral as a dominate thing because it gives them control over the person in some way.  I can control what I do with my tongue, how much I tease her, the things I want her to feel. 

So let me ask you a question since we are debating the topic.  Let's say a guy has the ability to get hard, but has no ability to feel anything you are doing to his cock.  Would you at all enjoy giving him head??  If so then I am way off base.  But my guess would be that it would be rather unenjoyable for pretty much anybody.  Having said that, it would mean that the sexual gratification you receive from it would be strictly in the mind, and flowing to the body, and completely based on the idea of pleasuring another.  I've never sucked a cock so I won't presume i am right.  Please feel free to tell me otherwise, cause now I'm curious.

If he couldn't feel anything physically but mentally got something (whether arousal, pleasure, happiness etc) from me giving him head then yes not only would I find it enjoyable to give him head but it would be just as rewarding as giving any other guy head. While yes the arousal in giving head is PRIMARILY mental (but You know how much the mental element is involved in my sexuality to begin with) there is also a physical aspect. The best way I can describe it is the arousal you get from touching your partner and feeling the way their body curves or feeling a particular bone structure. There is something unique and arousing about the physical shape and uniqueness of that shape of each individual. Feeling those differences can be sexually stimulating.

I will say that the more I think about this, if I really really wanted to give someone head, even if they didn't feel or mentally get anything from the act, if i want to do it that much I am almost certainly getting both mentally and sexually/physically aroused.

Respectfully Yours,

Keiko

I love hearing your opinions.  Thank you for always being such a beautiful submissive treasure!!  This has been a very enlightening conversation.  In the end I still say a woman sucking my cock shows me personally more submission than one that fucks me.  Maybe it's just a mental thing, but who cares right.  I'm sure there are some dominants that don't see it as being very submissive at all, because it's harder to have the control you have during sex.  Everybody is different. 

I think most of the time a woman isn't cumming while she gives a blow job, unless she's touching herself.  Therefore the sexual enjoyment for her is less than during sex.  Physically speaking.  So while I'm sure you would love to be done with the blowjob and bend over for me, you keep going , because you put pleasing me on a higher ground than the sexual gratification, so if I have not told you to stop, then you keep going as an act of submission.

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Me, I love pleasuring a man this way, but I also tend to adore his taste/feel/scent, and inhaling all of that into me is one of the greatest feelings in the world. 

but the world around me seems to disappear when I am pleasing him like this.  His responses - the moans, movements, grunts and groans - they direct me.  A little more pressure of the tongue here, a tighter squeeze of the lips there...I could go on forever.  Sure the drink at the end is a treat to but dive in there immediately reaching for that pot of gold means missing out on all the great stuff along the way.

Whoever thinks all women don't enjoy this is flat out wrong.  Some of us really do experience enjoyment in addition to his own. 

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After reading rednicky's thread and several of the reply/comments; it brought to mind a convo I had about a year ago with a submissive that made the final jump froma switch to pure submissive.

The conversation went along the line of why did she decide on sub only and with her usual wit and candor, she replied she had learned that she could much better retrieve what she wanted from the relationship by just taking care of her dominant's cock as a means to get into his minset and amplify or change it.

Be it oral or just a stroking she could manipulate him even during one of his "off" moods.

In your experience as eithera "D" or an "s" care to comment on the concept?

CP

now, to finally respond to the OP...

perhaps he's a rare man, or perhaps we just have a drastically different type of relationship than most, but i have no ability to manipulate my Master (nor any desire to do so) in any fashion...not with a well-performed sexual act or anything else. by serving my Master well, i am only doing what i am supposed to do, fulfilling my duty and place. if somehow i happen to serve him in a way that makes him especially pleased, then he will usually remark on it and i will get plenty of hugs and kisses and a heartfelt "good girl." and then i had better get my butt up and take out the garbage, wash his underwear, fix his lunch for the next day, etc. if a punishment was planned for me, it will still be meted out. if he had some devious plans for me the next day, they will still be carried out. life goes on as normal, no matter how much i make his toes curl.

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Eh, don't mind if I do.

chia* (the pet)

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but you see here you are making many assumptions...you are assuming that a submissive finds an orgasm to be physically gratifying or pleasing, you are assuming that the act of giving head to a man cannot be physically stimulating or arousing to a submissive woman, you are assuming that a submissive would prefer to be engaging in some other sexual activity, etc. and perhaps that has indeed been the case for the submissives you have encountered in life....and if that is true, then just know that you have not ever truly experienced what it is like to be with a real submissive woman.

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but you see here you are making many assumptions...you are assuming that a submissive finds an orgasm to be physically gratifying or pleasing, you are assuming that the act of giving head to a man cannot be physically stimulating or arousing to a submissive woman, you are assuming that a submissive would prefer to be engaging in some other sexual activity, etc. and perhaps that has indeed been the case for the submissives you have encountered in life....and if that is true, then just know that you have not ever truly experienced what it is like to be with a real submissive woman.

Or even...me.

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I love hearing your opinions.  Thank you for always being such a beautiful submissive treasure!!  This has been a very enlightening conversation.  In the end I still say a woman sucking my cock shows me personally more submission than one that fucks me.  Maybe it's just a mental thing, but who cares right.  I'm sure there are some dominants that don't see it as being very submissive at all, because it's harder to have the control you have during sex.  Everybody is different. 

I think most of the time a woman isn't cumming while she gives a blow job, unless she's touching herself.  Therefore the sexual enjoyment for her is less than during sex.  Physically speaking.  So while I'm sure you would love to be done with the blowjob and bend over for me, you keep going , because you put pleasing me on a higher ground than the sexual gratification, so if I have not told you to stop, then you keep going as an act of submission.

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but you see here you are making many assumptions...you are assuming that a submissive finds an orgasm to be physically gratifying or pleasing, you are assuming that the act of giving head to a man cannot be physically stimulating or arousing to a submissive woman, you are assuming that a submissive would prefer to be engaging in some other sexual activity, etc. and perhaps that has indeed been the case for the submissives you have encountered in life....and if that is true, then just know that you have not ever truly experienced what it is like to be with a real submissive woman.

Or even...me.

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I believe that feeding the ego is far more effective than stroking the cock.

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Eh, don't mind if I do.

chia* (the pet)

chia,

seems there is a dangling modifier around someplace.

CP

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I disagree so profoundly with many assumptions made here and being the CM tool twit that I am, I can't get the quotes boxes in to respond directly and appropriately.
This my experience only:
I love cock and balls since i was a tiny girl. Giving head without a condom is my idea of heaven. How the male feels, what his experience is in mind or body doesn't matter to me in any way. I really do not care. at all. the current word for this is objectify?  that cock exists only for my pleasure and I do what I wish with it.
The pleasure is all mine, not his.  35 years ago, when this activity was not suicidal as it would be today, I indulged this passion with joy and abandon. 
If I could have a national holiday, it would be National Dick Day. Any woman who wanted xray vision would be granted it for the day--to look at a photo of a man like Brad Pitt, to go down to the office and stare at the boss, whatever she wanted--and she could See Everything about the dick--flaccid, what it looked like rigid, texture of balls, hair or not. on and on.  Only a few ladies that I've floated this fantasy with liked it.  But when I go to Heaven, that's one of my requests-- that I can finally see all the cock I want.. and suck any that appeal to me.

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Damn I hate that term blowjob!

Makes me think of a fart you're trying to squeeze out to relieve a belly ache withour sounding like a trumpet....

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Bear,

chuckles,

There is just no accounting for some thought processes!

CP

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This is why men's groups are lobbying for "Steak and a Blowjob Day" as a national hollyday since women have Valentine's Day.

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honey, if i could get anything i wanted from a man, including changing his behavior, all from stroking and sucking on his cock, then i'd never have a reason to whine that i'm not getting enough attention  .

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she replied she had learned that she could much better retrieve what she wanted from the relationship by just taking care of her dominant's cock

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she replied she had learned that she could much better retrieve what she wanted from the relationship by just taking care of her dominant's cock

NGent,

That seems kindas harsh!

CP

Send her 'round. She can take care of my cock before I hang her upside down from my kitchen window with a placard above her feet: "Hello, I am a total fuckin' idiot whose brain hasn't progressed beyond the capacity of an infant. I believe I can achieve my aims by means of manipulating 'the cock'. So, here I am for your amusement. Yours regretfully."