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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 4:24:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

You would be correct.......I saw the length of the post and the name and quit.

I rather like slaves with requirements. Sane, consensual, them wanting ME = HAWT. That's about what I got from 18 pages.

I did read it and two words came to mind when I did.....pot...kettle...but I decided not to waste time in a reply because people never seem to see when they are doing exactly what they are accusing others of doing. Me, I'll own up to it lol, cause I'm a bitch like that and will take personal responsibility for my words and actions, that being what I actually said and meant vs. another's interpretation of what I said and meant.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 4:36:40 PM

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People don't have to think just like you to have a valid, worthwhile opinion and be good people

Yes, but in order for it to be ‘valid and worthwhile’ it should hold up under scrutiny and it should be defended with a better argument than “y’all are just big bullies if you don’t agree with me.”
I can defend the OP’s (and anyone’ else’s) right to say/write whatever they want to. But he has not provided any sound logic to bolster his stance.
There were many good points made by those with opposing views and most of them were made quite politely. He asked for opinions and when he didn’t like them, he complained he was being attacked.

Whining is not debate.

This is a forum, not a group hug.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 4:49:22 PM

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I require ten mc nuggets, two packets up ketchup opened with scissors on the short end, a steamed casaba. two bottles of fiji water (the labels facing forward), mixed nuts unsalted, separated, and arranged in alphabetical order counter clockwise, lavendar hand sanitizer with no alcohol content, and two sets of chopsticks laid out one inch from each other, short ends forward.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 5:14:32 PM

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I admit that I'm beginning to wonder if some are simply jealous of the attention and fame he suddenly appears to be receiving, due to this thread and the way its gone. (chuckle)

My name is RedMagic1, and I have thread-length envy. I admit it freely. In 19 months on the CollarChat message boards, I have only had the courage to start threads four times. Each time, the thread died after at most three pages. This pathetic performance led me to live as a post cuckold. I meekly chime in on the threads of my posting betters, hoping for some glimmer of the bright light of attention they so richly deserve.

I hereby affirm to the entire CollarMe community that I recognize my weakness, and I will endeavor to change. My error was that when I started threads, people either agreed with me, added in their own experiences, or saw no reason to reply. Henceforth, I will start threads that achieve the lengths -- and depths -- of the true Masters of the Post.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 6:57:24 PM

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So no.... I'm afraid I found nothing whatsoever within this good master's post history that would horrify or offend -- quite the opposite, in fact. Now, I admit that I'm beginning to wonder if some are simply jealous of the attention and fame he suddenly appears to be receiving, due to this thread and the way its gone. (chuckle)

Fame and attention? Add me to the list of those confused by this. Did the OP get his own talk show when we weren't looking? With the exception of John Warren and a few others, I wouldn't really use the word famous to describe forum members, particularly those who seem to draw negative rather than positive attention. It's nice that you're such a fan, though... even though my gut is right there with heartfelt's and, it seems, many others.

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I suppose if I'm mistaken in some way or have missed something positvely abhorrent that you would be willing to point it out for me?

As has been seen in this very thread, personal attacks and flames are routinely deleted by the mods. Even someone as sweet and innocent as me *pauses to tell the peanut gallery who know me to be quiet

* has had the occasional post deleted. I have neither the time nor the desire to go back through a bunch of posts looking for something Eleven or Sixteen missed with their fire extinguishers, as I would much rather spend my after work hours on something more productive.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 7:09:09 PM

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actually...i have a Masters in psychology

I was SO waiting for that, Holly!

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 7:20:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: DominantDamsel

I'm not going to direct this post to anyone in particular. It's basically for those who it applies and they know who they are. Message board "group think" is a psychological condition that stems from a little clique of peeps who essentially take over a board and spout "the way things are." Anyone who steps in and takes a different stance from the group think will be vilified. I believe that is what has happened on this thread.

Out of curiosity, it seems you are disgusted at the actions of the group concerning this topic. You seem like a person who is blunt and to the point, so why start of by saying "I'm not going to direct this post to anyone in particular" Wouldn't it make more sense to chastise the particulars as opposed to a general chastisement? Even if it's done on a pvt message?

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 8:15:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

Out of curiosity, it seems you are disgusted at the actions of the group concerning this topic. You seem like a person who is blunt and to the point, so why start of by saying "I'm not going to direct this post to anyone in particular" Wouldn't it make more sense to chastise the particulars as opposed to a general chastisement? Even if it's done on a pvt message?

I don't feel the need to formally or privately chastise anyone. I think behavior here speaks for itself. This isn't a classroom full of children. These are supposed to be grown adult men and women that are on a BDSM dating site attempting to find partners.

What I think is a far more interesting consequence to the negative, hateful, rude, clique-like, group think behavior is that it is quite clear who these people are and who their cheerleaders are. I think their behavior speaks volumes as to what it would be like to be actively involved with one or all of them in a real time relationship. Seems to me that this kind of willingness to spread untruths, gossip, and play childish, high school games isn't what most people are bargaining for in a real time submissive or dominant. I think most prefer a mature, reasonable individual they can trust their heart to, who is honorable and at least somewhat ethical.

Behavior speaks for itself. When confronted and asked to prove what is so absolutely terrible about MasterforRT, who started this thread, it seems that those who are shrieking the loudest have nothing but more high school hijinx in an attempt to deny the obvious.

And now, I really see nothing further to discuss here. I'll leave it to.. um, what did the mod call them? Ah yes, ... "the peanut gallery."

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 9:20:56 PM

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many are so fast to condem otehrs for you should not take it literaly was once comment about place of slave ,so in taht and i open the door for a whole bunch of crap here , we are to accept that it is not literal being taht subs can say no and top from the bottom which is not appricated by any . if one wishes what they wish who is any one here to say they can not shear that .

i see adds saying many things and eariler i poseted a thing here that was removed . itdelt with the fastct many here are fakes and allto many of those real can say people do not show up or vanish after a bit no reason ther is a reason they are fake and when one comes forth with truth as they see it you gang stomp him . instead of voicing logic you spout abuse . oh hell yeah that is the way to be . look to your own bewliefes and see waht if you were honest otehrs may think of them . oh yeah i know waht i shall be jumped for . if you wis hto speak to me my id is here message me andtalk to me about it not jsut group bad mouth others

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 9:28:34 PM

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my comment was not directed at any one i noticed it did point to one it was not my intent

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 9:57:18 PM

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A fast reply shows in reply to the last one who posted when you were doing your post. A lot of posters will put fast reply in their post to distinguish it from a reply to a specific poster.

There were some posts in the thread that weren't nice, but a lot of those accused of being mean were actually being blunt. It happens a lot around here because typed words are what you have to communicate with and it can be easy to misinterpret what a poster's intent and meaning is without voice intonation, facial expression and body language to guide the words.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 10:24:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

i don't think anyone is paying attention at this point, Sorry.

No, after the atrocious things she said to Bita (while in the same breath upset at rudeness toward the OP), there isn't much reason to pay further attention.

But your Masters comment got me grinning.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/27/2009 11:58:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: DominantDamsel

I don't feel the need to formally or privately chastise anyone. I think behavior here speaks for itself. This isn't a classroom full of children. These are supposed to be grown adult men and women that are on a BDSM dating site attempting to find partners.

Actually many of the posters here do not use this as a dating site and are not here to find partners. I, like a lot of others are in long term relationships and are here only to use the fora.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/28/2009 4:01:00 AM

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I know I aint gonna date any of you degenerate peanuts.

And DD, RT is very heavily moderated. You will more than likely not find his nasty posts because they get deleted rather quickly. As for the rest of the crowd, while you are doing a bloody valiant effort of placing yourself upon some schoolmarmly pedestal, it really isn't much different in the big picture. The fact remains, if you do not like some posts, take a page from my CM chat 101 text book and do not read them. If the whole of CM offends you, you are more than welcome to flounce off in a pout, never to be seen again. There is an advised "I am leaving!" thread to be created just prior to leaving. Explaining your offended sensibilities and why the hallowed halls of CM chat will never be graced with your presence again.

OR, you can chill your lacy's out and realize that most of the people here are quite lovely. Regardless of posting style. There are just a few, like the OP, that tend to crow on and on about true ways, real this that and the other things, and denegrate ways that actual real people that contribute to these boards are doing for real in their real life with REAL sub/slave/dominant/master/mistress type people. Not just living it in some wacked out cyber reality world. They are the less than lovely members. You know, always a few bad apples...?

Now, none of us have a clue about you and your reality. You've been far too busy waving Emily Post text books around and trying to alienate the masses. If you are happy in your life, have all the sub/slaves your little heart desires, then be my guest, continue on. BUT, if you are here looking for a relationship with a real, warm, body, there are some truely awesome subs/slaves that do contribute to these forums. People whos biggest fault (in the OP's eyes) is that they are intelligent thinking human beings. People that want to choose the master/mistress they give themselves over to, with great care. If expressing that is poor behaviour, then I will take a poorly behaved slave any day of the fucking week. I want a slave to serve me because they choose to. Not because they feel they are no different than a piece of metal, plastic and glass to sit in my garage.

Not that I expect you to unbunch your drawers and really get the meat of what I am trying to say. That is probably a lost cause. But if you get anything, it will be that your long winded, scolding, school marm posts are probably not worth the time you are taking to create them. Unless of course, your goal is to entertain anyone with the patience to bother reading them. It is a point of view we see often and it's not really productive or attractive.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/28/2009 7:07:21 AM

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I have been following this thread from the very start. I even put my own two cents in way back there and then went back and read all the posts. I read this thread last night and was torn. I thought, 'if i say something i'm going to get creamed, and i'm relatively new here, do i really want to start by pissing people off?' But the more i thought of this, the more disappointed in myself i became and i once again had to realize that even though i'm a people pleaser type person, the only person i really have to please is Master and then of course myself.

There is truth in what is being said on alot of sides, but it is easier to swallow honey than vinegar.   Alot of you are pots calling the kettle black but you find it easier to point out the faults in someone else than to look beyond that and try to learn something from it. Your righteous indignation is keeping you ignorant. There IS truth is what DominantDamsel says about 'group think'.   And if you read the thread in 'ask a sub' about wondering how people feel in posting here, you would see that alot are afraid to voice their opinions, thoughts, and ideas because of this 'group think'.   and without fresh thoughts, opinions or ideas our own would become stagnant and mundane.

I did have to laugh at the waving around of degrees of psychology.. just thought of my college roomate, a psych major, who said, "you have to be nuts to be psychologist" before she switched to nursing.

And people are wrong when they think no one else is reading this thread.. because they are reading, they are learning and you might want to be sure they are learning what you want them to learn about who you are. Actions speak louder than words, and nasty words are actions on a forum.

I do hope that some people will reevaluate themselves instead of ripping apart my post. And before you think i'm getting on my high horse, i will be the first to admit i could be wrong, and i'm the first to take personal responsibility for my actions, and that does not mean saying "well you don't get inflection on typed words' because you can make the message crystal clear when you want to.   Personal responsibility means recognizing where you were wrong and apologizing for it.

And in saying that, in my previous post on this thread i realize i did not answer the OP's question and that i made an incorrect statement that is contradicting this statement. I said, "The slave not only has a right but a responsibility to choose who she is going to serve since that should be the last choice she makes" Do i think slaves are property?   IN MY OPINION Owned slaves are property if that is what is agreed upon by the two consenting adults.   Slaves are not slaves until they have a Master. I agree they may aspire to be slaves to an owner who would bring that out in them.    So what i should have said was, "people who are aspiring to be slaves have not only a right but a responsiblity....etc"

I did what i think alot of people on this thread did.   Immediately took offense at what i read in the OP, and then responded on a topic that my feelings and indignation had twisted into a differenet question. Then of course instead of admitting that perhaps they blew things a bit out of proportion had to start pointing fingers so no one would look at the mistake they had made.

If nothing else i hope this post will be more helpful than hurtful.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/28/2009 7:19:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: sparkyRBF

I did have to laugh at the waving around of degrees of psychology.. just thought of my college roomate, a psych major, who said, "you have to be nuts to be psychologist" before she switched to nursing.

Cute phrase. I'm glad my own therapist didn't throw in the towel and head off to nursing instead.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/28/2009 7:54:16 AM

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Hello sparkyRBF,

Well personally I thought your post was well written and you are right there is truth in the group think mentality, its true of any group. I also think that DominantDamsel has made some other interesting points, however she did it in the wrong way, as proved by your point you can call people on their actions without being offensive. She instead created a them us mentality which is what the OP did in the first place. If you talk like its them vs us then thats what tends to happen.

I also agree with your response to the OP.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/28/2009 8:07:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: sparkyRBF
There is truth in what is being said on alot of sides, but it is easier to swallow honey than vinegar.   Alot of you are pots calling the kettle black but you find it easier to point out the faults in someone else than to look beyond that and try to learn something from it. Your righteous indignation is keeping you ignorant. There IS truth is what DominantDamsel says about 'group think'.   And if you read the thread in 'ask a sub' about wondering how people feel in posting here, you would see that alot are afraid to voice their opinions, thoughts, and ideas because of this 'group think'.   and without fresh thoughts, opinions or ideas our own would become stagnant and mundane.

I do hope that some people will reevaluate themselves instead of ripping apart my post. And before you think i'm getting on my high horse, i will be the first to admit i could be wrong, and i'm the first to take personal responsibility for my actions, and that does not mean saying "well you don't get inflection on typed words' because you can make the message crystal clear when you want to.   Personal responsibility means recognizing where you were wrong and apologizing for it.

I did what i think alot of people on this thread did.   Immediately took offense at what i read in the OP, and then responded on a topic that my feelings and indignation had twisted into a differenet question. Then of course instead of admitting that perhaps they blew things a bit out of proportion had to start pointing fingers so no one would look at the mistake they had made.

If nothing else i hope this post will be more helpful than hurtful.

Sincerely

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* snipped for brevity's sake.

Wanted to comment on the post and although i did snip it, i am not going to tear it apart. Although i did make the original comment about DD maybe being the OP, i was not making an accusation, but rather wondering aloud. They could be and maybe are two different people, i don't know, i don't really care. And "group think" is not affecting eiter my thoughts or what i post. i don't post on a lot of threads because i find a great many of them too inane for words, so i say nothing on them.

On this one, where the OP was adament in saying that if someone is a slave (which was part of a later post by the OP) they have no choice as to who they serve and if they "demand" that they have the right to choose who they will or will not serve, then according to the OP they are just a submissive and not really a slave.

Although i am a newbie in number of posts in comparison to some, i am not a newbie in WIITD and that kind of idea (in my opinion) needs to be addressed and shown for the fallacy that it is.

i will agree that in "attacking" an idea, there doesn't needs to be and in my opinion shouldn't be name calling, etc. And if you look at my posts, that is what you will see, i address my thoughts on the idea, not on the person.

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* Edited to add.
The reason that i wondered if DD could be the OP is because to support the idea, that if someone is a slave that he or she has no right to chose who he or she will or will not serve, strikes me as so inconceivable that i thought the only way someone else would support such an idea was because they were the same person. That idea (that a slave doesn't have the right to chose who he or she will or will not serve) is laughably absurd and to support that idea strikes me the same way. Combine that with DD's comments about what a good Master the OP is and how he never makes rude comments even though in some of his posts that the Mods actually left he is calling anyone who disagrees with him a child, so all together it made me wonder.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/28/2009 9:57:27 AM

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Well all I'm saying is that people are people, and to imagine that there is a whole class of people who are just dormant objects waiting to serve the first person to lift them off the shelf - which seemed to be the implication of the OP - is a bit delusional. I think more realistically, we might call that "trolling", or maybe chumming.

Having said that, there may well be somebody out there that want's to work full time, sign their check over to me, spend all their free time cleaning my house or being my sex toy, and sleeping in the closet, and if so, please click on my avatar there to the left of your screen to contact me.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/28/2009 3:40:18 PM

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The term slave has a historical meaning, which is what's being used in your answers definition. To that meaning you can not legally own another person. Property is a legal concept, and as a person can not be legally owned, you are incorrect to believe them to be property, your's or others.

The term slave also has a common usage that is subject to the culture where it is being used. In the general D/s culture it does not mean someone who as no rights. The foundations of it's meaning are based on the philosophies of power exchange. Exchange implies many things but some things that it requires are that each person willingly give or take and it strongly implies that something is gained by both parties. Exchange with out consent is theft and power exchange has nothing to do with the history of slavery. It's only an unfortunate convenience that the term slave is used in D/s, nothing more.

It also seems disingenuous to suggest that you see more and more people asserting their own requirements on serving. I doubt you ever saw a time when this wasn't the case. It is not a new phenomenon.

Property?.. wrong.

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