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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/19/2009 9:32:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57
hell no, you see what they did to the guy with the abort obama sign?
SS went to his house and tossed it.
I guess the first ammendment is dead now!



       Nonsense, Cold.  The Secret Service has no sense of humor no matter what party their charge might be from.  On that front, the First Amendment has been taking a back seat for a long time.

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/19/2009 10:00:29 PM   
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Lol, they just apologized......

The rats ran back down the sewer.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/autoNews/idUKTRE51I61D20090220

You guys were saying?......

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/19/2009 10:25:42 PM   
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       Who guys, O59?  Were you replying to me?  Do you have some sort of point?  There is even a drawing of Al Sharpton having his ass kissed in one of this artists cartoons.  Of course they apologized "to those who were offended."  The artist could still wind up getting fired (it'll look AWESOME on his resume', too).

     But since you're hanging about, what are your thoughts on the protesters who called for Rupert Murdoch to be jailed over the cartoon?

From your link:  They called for the jailing of Rupert Murdoch, whose international media conglomerate News Corp owns the Post.

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/19/2009 10:49:23 PM   
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Since I do not support the tabloid press or shock jocks the decision withhold my cash from such crap is a foregone conclusion. 




       There is a problem with that approach, Ven.  You aren't going to buy, or listen, anyway.  They don't care what you think, any more than the CBS Evening News cares about my opinion. 

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/19/2009 10:52:59 PM   
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You lost me on that one, Rich, How is not buying their product a problem?  I live on the opposite side of the country so that leaves me out of their target demographic anyways. 
 
If other people want to boycott or protest The New York Post that is up to them. 

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/19/2009 11:26:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

You lost me on that one, Rich, How is not buying their product a problem? 



       For a boycott of a product to be effective, it has to happen among the people who ordinarily would buy the product.   Howard Stern doesn't care what people who never listen to his show think, nor does Wal-Mart give a first thought to the opinion of people who hate them, and wouldn't shop there anyway.

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 4:44:19 AM   
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Remember all of these images have to do with the topic of the day in the tristate area of NY.

out of the 11 images
Image #11 is a political rip against AL sharpton.  Certain local NY politicians will do anything to get the support of AL sharpton for there run for Mayor of NYC.  That image could have been of any two politicans if there were republlican and nobody would think twice about it.
Image #10
is about a gold digger named Heather Mills-Paul McCartney who has one leg.
some disagree that she is a gold digger but most wouldnt
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/18/excerpts.mills.ruling/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/18/mccartney.mills/index.html
The couple met in 1999, a year after the death of McCartney's wife of 30 years, Linda. The judge said McCartney continued to grieve for his late wife well into his marriage with Mills -- and he suggested Mills misrepresented her case because she had been star-struck. "The wife for her part must have felt rather swept off her feet by a man as famous as the husband," he wrote. "I think this may well have warped her perception leading her to indulge in make-belief. The objective facts simply do not support her case." Bennett discounted Mills' claims that she was anything more than a loving and devoted wife in helping McCartney. "The wife's evidence that in some way she was the husband's 'psychologist,' even allowing for hyperbole, is typical of her make-belief," the judge wrote.

Image #9
IS about the fued at the time between Donald trump and Rosie O'Donnell.  That her weight was so much she flattened her GF into a pancake.
Do i need to point out similar attacks against any heavy weighted republicans?
Image #8
I don’t remember the issue but i believe it revolved around the family defense councils desire to march and the gay pride comittee attacking and trying to prevent them from joining there march. 


Image #7Reverse the gender of the two people and the headline of the story and would anybody have a problem???

Image #6is one thats clearly uses stereotypes against gays.

Image #5 we already talked aboutImage #4uses the sheep argument as an extreme example that when you change the definition of what marraige is it open to anything and everything.like it or not its an often used argument

Image #3
some of the WTC 1993 attackers were supporters of local democrat candidates in ny.
since thats before the popularity of the internet you cant geta  video clip of the news story of it.

Image #2
During her messy divorce with ex gov Mcgreevey it was revealed she knew her husband was gay and also slept in the same bed at the sametime as her husband was busy with his lover ;)
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/mcgreevey_aide_says_he_had_sex.html
A former aide to James E. McGreevey said today that he had three-way sexual trysts with the former governor and his wife before he took office, challenging Dina Matos McGreevey's assertion that she was naive about her husband's sexual exploits.
The aide, Theodore Pedersen, said he and the couple even had a nickname for the weekly romps, from 1999 to 2001, that typically began with dinner at T.G.I. Fri day's and ended with a threesome at McGreevey's condo in Woodbridge. They called them "Friday Night Specials," according to Pedersen.



Image #1
  Remember the news story initially wasn’t about a transgender man it was about a man being pregnant.  Then later it was revealed he was transgender.
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now what about attacks against republicans like Ms rice?  Cartoons like doonesbury calling her BROWN SUGAR.
or drawing Ms rice with buck teeth...wonder if they do it to Ms obama too?

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/11/20/racist-cartoons-of-condoleezza-rice/

and some more stuff
http://www.washingtonpost.com/gog/misc-events/leadership-oliphant-cartoons-and-sculpture-from-the-bush-years,1143249.html



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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

So people don't think Delonas is a racist...fine...can we all agree that he's a homophobe?

And the other images of gays????   They are justified how?



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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 7:32:56 AM   
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MasterShake69, (RE: Post 12)

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/ sealed the deal for me, thanks!

This'll show my true colors. I know it's early, but I'm still looking for my hope and change. The only awareness that I have of The Race Card being played on the national level, has been by liberals. (Yes, I personally know bigotted caucasians, but none that get on the news like Rev. Sharpton.)

I'm sure it's been said, but I'll post it again, and the racists can ignore it or flame it, I don't care.

The legislation was written by Pelosi, Reid, their staffs, and those who wanted to profit from it. In effect, you could think of the Democrat stimulus package (Since it is the Democrat party that receives the most stimulus from it) as being written by a bunch of monkeys, ala a 1950's era statement that if you put 100 monkeys with 100 typewriters in a room, eventually you would get a Shakespearean play.

President elect, and then President Obama has made no more claim to the authorship of these bill's content than have Republican House or Senate members. Why? Because none of them were included in any meaningful manner. Fait Accompli!

I reject selective rage. There was no outrage from these people about comments or stereotypes of Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, et al. No outrage when President Bush 43 is caricatured with monkey or ape like features. The cartoon creator was very savvy in taking a current event and turning it into a political observation.

If anyone should be offended, it should be the apes and monkeys. From my observations of the nature programs that I watch, they have little in common with these socialist ideals.

The strong rule.

Those who fail learn from it, or accept their lot.

Aggression is expected and tolerated.

Territory is controlled to the best of the group's ability.

They cooperate whenever possible.

They care for one another, but not to the detriment of the clan.

The closest that apes and monkeys come to the Democrat party is that apes or monkeys who steal or act improperly are punished when caught... unless they are the head ape or monkey, or his or her close friend.
 
I would suggest that if this post angers you, you might want to just be honest and accept your biased nature. Let's deal with real issues with real purpose and real information.

All the best,

MH

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 7:47:58 AM   
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Domiguy,

I doubt anyone is ignorant of the negative verbal and visual caricatures of blacks.

That said, all other things being equal, I believe this cartoon would have been created and published if Hillary Clinton or John McCain were president.

With total respect,

MH

(edited because of early morning grammar skills)

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 8:15:23 AM   
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Yes, the cartoonist joke was purely racist. To compare former President Bush to a chimp was an insult to the chimp, because a chimp is smarter than our former President. Former President Bush should have never been President.   First off he just took the white and was never properly voted into office. We the people of the United States of American Never stood up for our selves to have former President Bush impeached out of the White House. The reason is because the rich white folks wanted the man in office so that they could make money. Now the rich white people made their money and the economy is messed up.   Bush passed a stumils plan where as Wall Street and the Banks did not have to make account on how they spent the money. The money was spent on air plans, raises and parties, but none of the money was used on what they asked the government to give them the money to use for in their company. People losing their homes and living in shelters or in their car.   What white people will never know is the bigotry that African American people have gone though in history.  A white man will never be shot 50 times by a white cop, a white man will not be raped by a white cop as African American men are when some are arrested. If a African American man had did what Maroff did he would have been put in jail and not been able to walk the streets.

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 8:20:15 AM   
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I am not surprised in the least by this cartoon and there will be MANY more where that came from.....
What surprises me is that Obama ever got elected in this country in the first place.  THAT is amazing!
Hatred and ignorance, be it racist or otherwise NEVER surprises me though. I think it is much more
common than any benevolent / intelligent act .or sentiment

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 8:22:05 AM   
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My 'apology' were I the publisher of the NY Post...

"I'm sorry you think the monkey portrayed in the political cartoon about the recently passed Congressional pork spending Bill, which resulted in a 'no confidence' reaction by Wall Street, was a representation of the President of the United States. To Al and the rest of those seeking to benefit by continuing to exploit racial bias and tension; we didn't mean to help you out, but 'you're welcome'. We understand that a double standard must be adhered to by your perspective or you, and your supporters, would have to find a real issue and real work."

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 9:27:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterHypnotist

MasterShake69, (RE: Post 12)

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/ sealed the deal for me, thanks!

This'll show my true colors. I know it's early, but I'm still looking for my hope and change. The only awareness that I have of The Race Card being played on the national level, has been by liberals. (Yes, I personally know bigotted caucasians, but none that get on the news like Rev. Sharpton.)

I'm sure it's been said, but I'll post it again, and the racists can ignore it or flame it, I don't care.

The legislation was written by Pelosi, Reid, their staffs, and those who wanted to profit from it. In effect, you could think of the Democrat stimulus package (Since it is the Democrat party that receives the most stimulus from it) as being written by a bunch of monkeys, ala a 1950's era statement that if you put 100 monkeys with 100 typewriters in a room, eventually you would get a Shakespearean play.

President elect, and then President Obama has made no more claim to the authorship of these bill's content than have Republican House or Senate members. Why? Because none of them were included in any meaningful manner. Fait Accompli!

I reject selective rage. There was no outrage from these people about comments or stereotypes of Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, et al. No outrage when President Bush 43 is caricatured with monkey or ape like features. The cartoon creator was very savvy in taking a current event and turning it into a political observation.

If anyone should be offended, it should be the apes and monkeys. From my observations of the nature programs that I watch, they have little in common with these socialist ideals.

The strong rule.

Those who fail learn from it, or accept their lot.

Aggression is expected and tolerated.

Territory is controlled to the best of the group's ability.

They cooperate whenever possible.

They care for one another, but not to the detriment of the clan.

The closest that apes and monkeys come to the Democrat party is that apes or monkeys who steal or act improperly are punished when caught... unless they are the head ape or monkey, or his or her close friend.
 
I would suggest that if this post angers you, you might want to just be honest and accept your biased nature. Let's deal with real issues with real purpose and real information.

All the best,

MH


This is all flutter to distract from the fact that the neo-cons were bashing Obama over the stim bill,not congress.

While one can sight procedural operations and minutia about how bills form,that didn`t stop the cons from completely associating the stim bill with the president.

How bills form is not the point.Who the cons were bashing, is.This is the context of the flap with the NY Post.Let`s be honest,shall we?

It was Obama that they criticized and complained about"(not being included).They are today,this very moment,complaining that the President wasn`t "bi-partisan"(which is bushit) when he publicly and privately reached out to them on many occations.

Maybe you can explain why the Post apologized,if there`s nothing there.

If you said they were a bunch of feckless,back-boneless bottom feeders trying to obfuscate,I might agree.

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You also can`t say that Secretary Rice or SCJ Thomas were besmirched without acknowledging that the President was also. Unless you`re selective.

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 9:33:02 AM   
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and if a white guy did what OJ Simpson did in the early 90's  he wouldn’t have been walking the streets ;)  The race card was successfully used and all other evidence was ignored.
Every race has suffered discrimination in this country at some point in time.   The type and intensity varies with each group. I wish we could get to be a colorblind society.  Imagine a society where you can view everything without the prism of color and race distorting it.  However we live in the world of reality.  Some on the left have no problem using a monkey to attack Bush.  They also have no problem using racial stereotypes against African Americans in bush’s cabinet.  What is ok for democrats to do should be ok for republicans. 
For 8 years Democrats lowered the bar of civility in debate.  Now they have to deal with the consequences.




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Yes, the cartoonist joke was purely racist. To compare former President Bush to a chimp was an insult to the chimp, because a chimp is smarter than our former President. Former President Bush should have never been President.   First off he just took the white and was never properly voted into office. We the people of the United States of American Never stood up for our selves to have former President Bush impeached out of the White House. The reason is because the rich white folks wanted the man in office so that they could make money. Now the rich white people made their money and the economy is messed up.   Bush passed a stumils plan where as Wall Street and the Banks did not have to make account on how they spent the money. The money was spent on air plans, raises and parties, but none of the money was used on what they asked the government to give them the money to use for in their company. People losing their homes and living in shelters or in their car.   What white people will never know is the bigotry that African American people have gone though in history.  A white man will never be shot 50 times by a white cop, a white man will not be raped by a white cop as African American men are when some are arrested. If a African American man had did what Maroff did he would have been put in jail and not been able to walk the streets.

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 9:35:19 AM   
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Oh right, OJ.

Now it all makes sense.

You should brought him up sooner and saved us all the mega-bytes

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 9:47:58 AM   
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heres all the oj you can ever need

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 10:21:37 AM   
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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 10:21:54 AM   
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Yes, the cartoonist joke was purely racist.

First, this is a political cartoon, not a joke.
Second, you cannot know the cartoonist's intent, even after he makes a statement to the event, since it will be your bias that allows you to accept or reject what he or she states as the intent.

To compare former President Bush to a chimp was an insult to the chimp, because a chimp is smarter than our former President.

And who will administer the IQ test to prove or disprove this patently imbittered and false statement?

Former President Bush should have never been President.   First off he just took the white and was never properly voted into office.

The U.S. Constitution and Supreme Court would disagree. While Bush 43 did not win the popular vote, he did properly win the electoral vote. The incidents of "hanging chads" in Florida can quite easily be attributed to attmepted voter fraud by the Democrat machine in those heavily Democrat precincts. If Democrat candidate Al Gore Jr. would have won either his home state, or President Clinton's home state, then he, not Bush, would have been the 43rd president of the U.S. and the "issues" in Florida would have been moot.

We the people of the United States of American Never stood up for our selves to have former President Bush impeached out of the White House. The reason is because the rich white folks wanted the man in office so that they could make money. Now the rich white people made their money and the economy is messed up.   Bush passed a stumils plan where as Wall Street and the Banks did not have to make account on how they spent the money. The money was spent on air plans, raises and parties, but none of the money was used on what they asked the government to give them the money to use for in their company.

The Democrat controlled house made no attempt to impeach Bush 43.
You do realize that the language in the above paragraph can be taken as racist?
There are rich black, asian, hispanic and Native American folks, too.
Bush signed the legislation sent him. The main authors of said legislation were the Democrat leadership of the House and Senate. If any conspiracy could be posited, it should be a legislative and banking conspiracy. Do some research about national land values artificially inflating before a recession and what precedes and encourages such inflation.
The legislated funds appear to be mispent because no controls were put into the legislation. A legislative oversight by the Democrat leadership, not Bush 43.
 
People losing their homes and living in shelters or in their car.   What white people will never know is the bigotry that African American people have gone though in history.  A white man will never be shot 50 times by a white cop, a white man will not be raped by a white cop as African American men are when some are arrested.

I know white people who are or have lived in shelters or their car. Of course, and unfortunately, there has been white bigotry, and thankfully it is decreasing. However, in the course of improving, all we have arrived at so far is that bigotry is now raceless, with everyone allowed to be a bigot. You want bigotry? How about accademically successful and articulate blacks being accused of trying to pass as white, and being called Thin Mints, Twinkies, etc. BY BLACKS!
 
When black leadership and group think quit picking people such as Rodney King, high school bullies, and racist, misoginistic rappers as their icons, I will take their representation of the "plight of the black man," more seriously. Why are there more blacks in prison than other ethnic races in the U.S.? Because they are committing more crime, that's why.
 
More will be accomplished through self-responsibility, accademic and professional success, than by black anger or white guilt. You want to look to the Rev's Sharpton and Jackson? You want to look to Rodney King? You want to look to Snoop Dog and 50 Cent? I'll look to Bill Cosby, Bernie Mac, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Clarence Thomas, G. W. Carver, Spike Lee, Pearl Bailey, Aretha Franklin, Lena Horn, Sammy Davis Jr.,  Oprah Winfrey, Alan Keyes, J. C. Watts, Ervin "Magic" Johnson, quite possibly Barrack Obama, and more like them, for my hope of the black ideal.

If a African American man had did what Maroff did he would have been put in jail and not been able to walk the streets.


Maddoff mainly fooled white people, didn't he? As for why he's not in jail... probably because he has dirt on people, not because of his race. But, you are correct. Maddoff should be punished to the full extent of the law.
 
At no point have I claimed that there is no bigotry or discrimination in any dominantly non-black culture. Every culture has discrimination concerning those not like them. Even today's black culture, in Europe, the U.S., and Africa discriminates among its own. Discrimination is not right. However, until the cartoonist claims otherwise, there is no discrimination in that political cartoon.
 
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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 10:36:15 AM   
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, Now maybe this isn't a good enough analogy because where as I could have lost weight someone cannot change thier color,



Actually Michael Jackson tried, but I don't think he fooled anyone. On the other hand there was an author, can't remember his name but he changed his skin color and wrote a book called Black like me. It was a very interesting read and opened my eyes about a lot of things. While I don't agree that the comic was racist, I can understand why others would see it that way.

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RE: New York Post Cartoon: Is Obama the chimp... - 2/20/2009 10:44:20 AM   
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I can't remember when it was...Last year? That a woman called in to Rush and said that her daughter thought Obama looked like Curious George.  Rush laughed.  Then his staff sent him pictures of Curious George and Rush immediately apologized saying that he had no idea who or what "Curious George" was. 

I actually believe Rush.  The next day Rush immediately apologized for his actions and to his audience and he jokingly "fired the caller" which shows a knowledge of the stigma of associating Obama to a monkey. Rush "Gets it."

It is a sad day when I will state that it appears Rush has more on the ball than many of our posters. Sad day indeed.

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