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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Why can't they moderate  stupidity?...Preferably in the womb.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
This is usually the time that I get myself moderated... It is when I have discovered that I am dealing with someone that is unable to read, or is incapable of digesting in a sane manner that which they have read or written.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Muuurdock came out and personally apologized,today.

Do you guys get the feeling that you`re screaming at the ocean?

Even Muuurdock, gets it.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Muuurdock came out and personally apologized,today.

Do you guys get the feeling that you`re screaming at the ocean?

Even Muuurdock, gets it.

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ORIGINAL: MasterHypnotist

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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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To continue to insist this cartoon is racist, when you now know that it was not printed as such, can only indicate racist attitudes of the protestors.

By your logic, or lack thereof,  if  I came up to you and shot you between your eyes; and thereafter issued a statement that I actually had no intent to shoot you between your eyes; then the "fact" is  established beyond all doubt that I had no intent to shoot you between your eyes.  Don't you think my statement to be sort of self serving?

Well, this certainly takes this to a new level of... ~shrugs~ something. I'm sure there is a word, but damned if I know what it is right now. You've left me gasping for "logical air," and there is none in the room. Owner59, you're taking notes, right?

> The chimp is not caricatured or labeled as an African-American.

> The chimp is not caricatured or labeled as President Obama.

> The cartoon is based on a current event where police killed a chimp.

> The cartoon borrows from a cultural metaphor (that I got) of what monkeys could do with typewriters.

> The cartoon refers to the Democrat Stimulus Package as if the chimp had written it, but represents no one individual. Since in real life only one monkey was shot, only one monkey was used in the political cartoon.

> People with an agenda, or a sensitivity, or both, to racial stereotypes of apes/monkeys being used to caricature people of color, took offense.

> The NYP stated that they are mistaken, and apologized to almost all of the people who demonstrated that they took offense. The only people not apologized to are people, such as Rev. Al Sharpton, who are trying to make social, racial, and political hay out of this.

> Most people who took offense, are not accepting the apology. They have that right.

So, your "analogy" does not fit. I think your post is self-serving.

Go ahead. Be offended. But take responsibility for taking offense. It is your world view, experiences or expectations, that lead you to make the assumption that you did. Take responsibility for then attempting to impose your sensibilities where they were not intended.

As I said before, let us hope and pray for a day when a similar cartoon only offends PETA and the SPCA.

MH

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

So you`re calling it a non-apology apology.

Interesting... This would be the 2nd,then.

Perhaps the insincerity was more about market share than culpability.

Most cons don`t know or consider the fact that the African American demographic is a huge part of the Fox viewership.Muuurdock does,tho.Not Fox News mind you(that has a whole other target audience,lol),but the Fox network,channel 5 in NYC earns a lot of advert dollars selling to that community.

You`re right,he isn`t really sorry.This is about money.

Thanks for clearing this up and helping me understand.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Feign confusion? Mum ,ever heard of sarcasm?

More like UN-ravel the confusion.lol

1st the stim-bill and the "someone" who wrote it.

Then it`s not the "someone" but all of congress, that ya`ll are talk`n about.

Yesterday I heard your  leader dearest,Rush, refer to the plan as Obama`s.

There`s no confusion about who the perp is here and the"someONE" they were referring too.

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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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ORIGINAL: MasterHypnotist

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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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To continue to insist this cartoon is racist, when you now know that it was not printed as such, can only indicate racist attitudes of the protestors.

By your logic, or lack thereof,  if  I came up to you and shot you between your eyes; and thereafter issued a statement that I actually had no intent to shoot you between your eyes; then the "fact" is  established beyond all doubt that I had no intent to shoot you between your eyes.  Don't you think my statement to be sort of self serving?

Well, this certainly takes this to a new level of... ~shrugs~ something. I'm sure there is a word, but damned if I know what it is right now. You've left me gasping for "logical air," and there is none in the room. Owner59, you're taking notes, right?

> The chimp is not caricatured or labeled as an African-American.

> The chimp is not caricatured or labeled as President Obama.

> The cartoon is based on a current event where police killed a chimp.

> The cartoon borrows from a cultural metaphor (that I got) of what monkeys could do with typewriters.

> The cartoon refers to the Democrat Stimulus Package as if the chimp had written it, but represents no one individual. Since in real life only one monkey was shot, only one monkey was used in the political cartoon.

> People with an agenda, or a sensitivity, or both, to racial stereotypes of apes/monkeys being used to caricature people of color, took offense.

> The NYP stated that they are mistaken, and apologized to almost all of the people who demonstrated that they took offense. The only people not apologized to are people, such as Rev. Al Sharpton, who are trying to make social, racial, and political hay out of this.

> Most people who took offense, are not accepting the apology. They have that right.

So, your "analogy" does not fit. I think your post is self-serving.

Go ahead. Be offended. But take responsibility for taking offense. It is your world view, experiences or expectations, that lead you to make the assumption that you did. Take responsibility for then attempting to impose your sensibilities where they were not intended.

As I said before, let us hope and pray for a day when a similar cartoon only offends PETA and the SPCA.

MH

I once had a professor who in response to totally inane answers merely said "to-wit?"

To-wit?

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Yesterday I heard your  leader dearest,Rush, refer to the plan as Obama`s.

You listen to Limbaugh more than I do. Pre-election, once I decided to vote for Ralph Nader, again, I quit listening. I've been listening to books on CD (I highly recommend, BLINK, but don't remember the author) and FM Rock.

There`s no confusion about who the perp is here and the"someONE" they were referring too.

Argue the cartoon creator, Delonas, as quoted by CNN, "Do you really think I'm saying Obama should be shot? I didn't see that in the cartoon," Delonas told CNN. "It's about the economic stimulus bill," he added. "If you're going to make that about anybody, it would be [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi, which it's not."

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To-wit... It was not, and is not, a racist cartoon. To claim that it is racist indicates a sensitivity that projects racism, or an agenda that needs to claim racism.

MH

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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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To-wit... It was not, and is not, a racist cartoon. To claim that it is racist indicates a sensitivity that projects racism, or an agenda that needs to claim racism.

MH

I have never said whether I feel the cartoon was racist nor not.  My argument is with your statement that the cartoon was not racist because the newspaper said it was not racist.  Blindly following the statements of others and not thinking for yourself leads to stupid statements.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Last post on the subject...Too many have the inability to play fair or to read. 

Many have said that the Post did not intend to portray the monkey as obama because he did not "write" the bill. 
No matter how much mastershake erroneously complains (I personally think he might be illiterate) I proceed to place a number of links that show The Post referring to the stimulus bill as being Obamas'.

Masterhyp....if the post refers to the stimulus bill as obamas then who else can the monkey represent?  this is where your argument loses steam. 

It is fine for me to say that it is not....But when my own words contradict that stance then I am either a liar a rascist or both.

So look at your own statements about why the monkey could not be Obama...then read the links that I provided. (they are all from the post and they are not quoting anyone...(Again, dont rely on mastershake...Not only might he be illiterate, he loves Star Trek and cartoons, per his profile)The Post makes it clear time and time again by referring to Obamas' stimulus plan.  How confusing is this?

The Stimulus Plan is Obamas'. The dead chimp wrote the stimulus bill. 

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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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To-wit... It was not, and is not, a racist cartoon. To claim that it is racist indicates a sensitivity that projects racism, or an agenda that needs to claim racism.

MH

I have never said whether I feel the cartoon was racist nor not.  My argument is with your statement that the cartoon was not racist because the newspaper said it was not racist.  Blindly following the statements of others and not thinking for yourself leads to stupid statements.

We both feel the same way, just from different perspectives. I do not view the cartoon as racist. My mind went directly to the monkeys and typrewriters metaphor. My mind did not default to racist stereotypes. Why? My sheltered up-bringing, I'm sure.

I still have not said whether I feel the cartoon was racist but domiguy's entry is compelling.
 
The people who know, say it was not written or presented to be racist, but rather it is a political commentary. Therefor, I have no reason to change my initial impression. After the fact, and ignoring what the creator of the cartoon stated, I will shrug and say, just to try to get along, that the cartoon is ambiguous. I am not comfortable with making such a statement, however. I am more comfortable with honestly saying, "I am sorry you took unintended racist offense at the politically inspired cartoon."

"The people who know," here we go again.  Your argument that the cartoon is not racist because the newspaper says it was not racist.  Self serving dribble.
 
My argument is with your statement that the caroon is racist because Rev. Al Sharpton, et al, said it was racist. Blindly following the statements of others and not thinking for yourself leads to stupid statements.

I never mentioned Sharpton and he certainly is not my favorite person.  Sharpton's statement is as self serving as the newspaper's statement.  Then again, I think for myself.
We're at an impasse.



 
I can live with that,

I can go to sleep tonight knowing the future of the republican party and neo conservatism is in such capable hands.
 
MH