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ORIGINAL: sissymaidlola

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You're welcome to ask here or in private that what you need explained. :)

sissy Has to admit that his reaction to Your post was pretty much the same as cloudboy's, Ma'am. sissy Read it three or four times before he said to himself, "Well, i think i kinda understand what Her drift is here."

And then when sissy saw veronica's reply he simply assumed that You must have emailed her and asked her to post that ... it was the only logical explanation !! <giggles>

sissy maid lola

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: Sensualips

[But come now. Way too much guy?

That's right, no sisters growing up, only brothers. Went to all boys schools. Raised Catholic. In sum, you women already represent another species, and the sub species within you, otherwise known as girlie-girls (my wife's term, not mine) is totally alien to me. Its not a macho claim, but as I guy, well they don't like me much and I don't get them. I don't see that ever changing.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: Sensualips

[But come now. Way too much guy?

That's right, no sisters growing up, only brothers. Went to all boys schools. Raised Catholic. In sum, you women already represent another species, and the sub species within you, otherwise known as girlie-girls (my wife's term, not mine) is totally alien to me. Its not a macho claim, but as I guy, well they don't like me much and I don't get them. I don't see that ever changing.

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"To learn the art of submission a slave must first give up the desires that drew him to submission in the first place." Mistress Jasmyn Jan 2005.

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

lol maybe that's my gig...too much guy ;) 9 older brothers here

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

One thing I will never be accused of is being too girly-girl.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: Sensualips

[But come now. Way too much guy?

you women already represent another species, and the sub species within you, otherwise known as girlie-girls (my wife's term, not mine)

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In sum, you women already represent another species, and the sub species within you, otherwise known as girlie-girls (my wife's term,

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1) Is femininity DERIVED from masculinity, i.e. in complementary opposition to it? (The vagina is soft and supple the penis is hard and stiff.) If yes, its no wonder feminine women reject CDs. It screws up up the calculus.

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2) Is femininity self generated/created as you say? If so, then the feminine exists without any foils or opposites, its a stand alone creation. In this model, the feminine calculus is wide open, arbitrary if you will. In this domain one chooses what is feminine ----- and the presentation of CDs here are much easier --- for nature is never defied and order is not violated because everything is a matter of choice.

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I'm not sure women in category (1) fear, thwart or challenge "the notion [that] a dominant woman should define her femininity for herself (as opposed to derviving it from the masculinity of males) is smyptomatic of that woman's fear having power herself." No, a woman in category (1) just conforms to the world as she knows it. Anything else would be a falsehodd for her, an artificiality. In my opinion, most F's are type (1)s.

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lol bad sissy ;) but alas no, veronica's comprehension was spot on, hence the kudos bestowed :)

It pays to keep in mind that that particular post was in direct response to Petruchio discussing a well known domme, local to him, in which he states,

"[and] we concluded that she at least [does not] view male subs as being fully male, or, alternatively, males as being fully submissive."

However if we all look back to submission is not a weakness class 101 ... submission in the manner of d/s is not a weakness...yet many people do hold the belief submission in males is a state of being a lessor male; including a great deal of fem dom women.

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The view submissive men are somehow less male is often used to justify the existence of male submission when faced with the reality male submissives do exist. But only by being something deviating from the male norm, thereby not undermining the masculine alpha male status quo of dominance. Unfortunately however completely ignoring the reality many men are submissive and in every respect 'male'.

Ha ha, Mistress Jasmyn, You've been "pinked" by sissy, Ma'am! <curtsey> What kind of Dominatrix are You anyway that allows a little wussy sissy maid to control the color of Your font from halfways around the world ??? Oh, da powa, da powa ... However, please note, Ma'am, that sissy has "unpinked" You and restored Your dignity for this post. But if it happens again, Ma'am, then next time You're on Your own ...

So to get down to brass tacks (sissy always likes to have some of those in his toy bag, Ma'am, one never knows when they will come in handy in a session! ) sissy understood the paragraph that You just quoted perfectly well, Ma'am ... it was all the other text that You put around it that made the whole thing a little turgid and somewhat hard to follow. <giggles> Where You lost sissy was in talking about the "sissification of women"! WTF is that all about? As sissy tried to point out in his initial post, the concept of "sissy" is a deep subconscious fear related to emasculation that almost ALL males possess. Particularly "macho males" ... that's why they put so much effort into posturing and being macho! They hope to deflect any suspicions of their insecurities elsewhere.

For sissy, Ernest Hemingway was an archetypal "macho" male - one could claim that he almost invented the term if the rest of history prior to him wasn't so littered with the deeds of other "macho men" driven to disguise their own insecurities as well. "Look at me, I'm shooting elephants and tigers, aren't I brave?" NOOO, not unless the elephants and tigers are allowed to shoot back at you, you're not. "Look at me, I'm fishing for marlin ... what cojhones I must have?" NOOO, not unless you get off the boat and into the water and tackle the fish on their own terms! Well, you get the idea, Ma'am ...

For some men, such as Hemingway, "sissydom" is a driving force to their lives, for others it's a dormant fear that they've moved beyond in their lives (but the old fear still lurks buried in the depths of their subconscious), and for yet others it's a daily living nightmare. The latter would include genuinely effeminate males that come within close enough range of matching the "sissy" ideal. But the term "sissy" almost universally connotes the concept "weak or inadequate male" ... of which "man in a dress" is just one extreme interpretation, but a very common one, nevertheless. So when sissy hears the expression "sissification of women" it conjures up images of You masculating (oh Geez, sissy never knew that "masculate" was even a word until he started reading this damn thread, and even now he suspects that someone else posting here went and modified the Dictionary.com web pages just before sissy got there ... the word is "masculinize" NOT "masculate" for chrissakes! ... sissy could not find "masculate" in either his OED or Websters ... as far as sissy can tell, "masculate" means to chew your food in a macho manner! ... now where was lola? ... oh yes) it conjures up images of You masculinizing the bodies of females, putting them in frou-frou frocks, giving them a bad makeup job, and then telling them to act like guys trying to act like girls .... ROTFLsAO

sissy Is guessing that what You actually meant by that term is what LA had posted about in the post that sissy's OP was a response to ... viz. the over exaggeration of their femininity by females. But "sissification" is not a good term for that, IsHO. It's "failed or inadequate male" ramifications are too well entrenched. Just as not being male is NOT the same as being female, being a failed or feminized male is NOT the same as being overly feminine. So that term, plus some lack of punctuation , is what caused sissy to have to reread Your post a number of times, Ma'am, not the bit You just quoted - and to be fair to veronica (why not, sissy is feeling in a generous mood here!) what she also singled out before appending the kudos to it. Hmm, "appending kudos" might possibly be a new kink! <giggles>

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Is it making some sense now? Or am I going to have to get out a chalkboard and ruler and hold you both back after school? ;)

Actually, Ma'am, sissy thinks it is tasha_tart that You need to keep behind after school. Her English comprehension needs a little work, don't You think, Ma'am? All three points that she made were completely wrong ... sissy never said any of those things. Plus she even got sissy's gender wrong. Zero for four! BONG! Thank you for playing, tasha. <giggles>

But if sissy does have to stay late after school with the others, can he please, please be Your chalk monitor, Ma'am? That would make the whole experience sooo special for him, Ma'am. <curtsey>

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola





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If i don't seem submissive to You, it may be because i'm NOT submissive to You.

(in reply to Jasmyn)

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YOU WOMEN?? wth is that?? LMAO--now given that quick rant--girlie girl is a subjective term that varies from person to person and should not be "generalized"--girlie girl to My unmentionable is a prep who twirls her hair--to Me, I am a girlie girl--( and I didn't know I had a sub species! LMAO---)I love being a woman, My scent, My femininty, My capabilites--but I am Dominant--so because I am Dominant does not mean I lose My feminity or My girlie girl style--

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I don't think the rejection of CD's has anything to do with feminine or not--I think it has to do more with the kink wiring--

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ORIGINAL: MistressAlexaS

I'm not interested in crossdressing at all, I find him sexier naked personally but I do enjoy using a strapon on my guy.

~Alexa

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: MistressAlexaS

I'm not interested in crossdressing at all, I find him sexier naked personally but I do enjoy using a strapon on my guy.

~Alexa

Do you feel masculine using it? Is that the attraction?

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Where You lost sissy was in talking about the "sissification of women"!

In re-reading this thread today sissy now realizes that the totally bogus concept of the "sissification of women" also originally came from Petruchio's post. Of course, that doesn't invalidate anything that sissy wrote in his last post ... he just wanted to let You know, Ma'am, that he is fully aware that it wasn't You that invented that oxymoron.

Normally, sissy would just have edited his previous post to make that correction, but the sages at CollarMe have really phucked up that feature in their infinite wisdom. One used to be able to edit one's own posts many times over and up to weeks after they had been initially posted. That was a GOOD THING, IsHO. As far as sissy can determine, CollarMe now seems to have regressed the system such that only one or two edits are permitted, and then only if they are done within 10-15 minutes of the post being made. IsHO, that's a bad, bad, bad move ...

Since most flame wars on message boards occur because others misinterpret the intent of the author, not allowing folk to fix their own problems once they re-read their posts - or the possible alternative interpretation of those posts is pointed out to them by others - significantly increases the chances that flaming will occur. But hey, flame wars create more traffic on the boards and the need for more moderators to moderate it ... and that can also be interpreted (spun) as being an increase in the popularity of the site! sissy Can only surmise that that perverted mindset is what motivated CollarMe to implement the obvious regression of this feature. <sighs and rolls his eyes>

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola





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If i don't seem submissive to You, it may be because i'm NOT submissive to You.

(in reply to sissymaidlola)

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In re-reading this thread today sissy now realizes that the totally bogus concept of the "sissification of women" also originally came from Petruchio's post.

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Time to close out this thread…

It's giving me a headache.

It's probably just the wrong time of the month for you, Petruchio. sissy Suggests that you take a couple of Xanax and go lie down in bed with a heating pad on your dick. You'll feel fine again in the morning, sweetie.

sissy maid lola





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If i don't seem submissive to You, it may be because i'm NOT submissive to You.

(in reply to Petruchio)

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Huh? Your assignment for today is to re-read the thread once again.

sissy Doesn't need to re-read the thread again, Petruchio, he only needs to quote your own text back at you:

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She revealed she likes to sissify male subs as well as females.

You are indeed the person that introduced the concept of a Domme sissifying female subs as well as male subs to this sub-thread that Mistress Jasmyn felt a need to address in Her own post. sissy Didn't say that the idea is a core belief of your own - you, too, may feel the concept to be totally oxymoronic - he ONLY stated that the concept of the "sissification of women" (as discussed in this sub-thread) was introduced in YOUR post.

Do you deny that, Petruchio?

YOUR assignment for today is to learn how to take responsibility for your own actions.

sissy maid lola





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If i don't seem submissive to You, it may be because i'm NOT submissive to You.

(in reply to Petruchio)

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ORIGINAL: sissymaidlola

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Huh? Your assignment for today is to re-read the thread once again.

sissy Doesn't need to re-read the thread again, Petruchio, he only needs to quote your own text back at you:

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She revealed she likes to sissify male subs as well as females.

You are indeed the person that introduced the concept of a Domme sissifying female subs as well as male subs to this sub-thread that Mistress Jasmyn felt a need to address in Her own post. sissy Didn't say that the idea is a core belief of your own - you, too, may feel the concept to be totally oxymoronic - he ONLY stated that the concept of the "sissification of women" (as discussed in this sub-thread) was introduced in YOUR post.

Do you deny that, Petruchio?

YOUR assignment for today is to learn how to take responsibility for your own actions.

sissy maid lola

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ORIGINAL: Proprietrix

My question is in regards to why there is such an overwhelming amount of male submissives/slaves into gender-bending. It seems that about 98 out of 100 male subs that message Me end up wanting forced-femme, sissification, strapon play, forced-bi, wearing panties, or some other type of gender bending. Is there a reason for this?

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"To learn the art of submission a slave must first give up the desires that drew him to submission in the first place." Mistress Jasmyn Jan 2005.