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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/11/2009 8:53:01 PM

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Drink lots and lots of... coca-cola.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/11/2009 10:15:34 PM

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Popeye,

The doctor that I watched was Michael F. Roizen. He had at
least two different programs on PBS. They were run during the
fund raising weeks. About 2001-2 somewhere in there.

Long story short, he eventually hooked up with the doctor who
is always on Opera named Dr. Oz. But the essential elements of
the program he advocates were in place in those PBS shows which
were available on DVD. He has also written or co-written many books.

Follow the links for more information and please do your own research.

Briefly, there is an organ called the omentum which is in your lower
abdomen. It should be thin, almost like lace. When you eat the wrong
foods it bulks up collects fat and causes "the belly". This is bad for
health as well as cosmetic reasons.

As I said this program of diet and much less exercise than you are doing
at this time, has worked for me and for everyone else I know who has used
it and stayed with it. I am 6 foot, weigh 180. I walk 2 miles on flat ground
in about 40 minutes, five times a week. Other than that I just do my chores.
I have lots of energy, good circulation and excellent blood pressure. All
metrics have improved since I started eating as he recommends. Basically
it is just avoiding bad foods and disguised bad foods, and walking.

By all means consult with your own professionals. But please also investigate
this man's recommendations before you make your final choices. Best of
luck with it.

Dr. Roizen's Bio:

A review and synopsis of one of his books

edited to add: Congradulations on Quitting Smoking!!! Best thing you could have done for yourself.
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Thanks Outlier, I'll pick up that book tommorrow at Border's.
Yes, probably like most people I don't watch what I eat enough.
And I drink 2-3 Cokes a day.
I just figured that with all the calories I've been burning in the last month that the gut would go down not up!
I'm not fat at all except for the gut.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/11/2009 10:33:36 PM

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As has been mentioned repeatedly, fasting is not a good idea as it will slow down your metabolism.

When you look at the math, losing weight isn't that difficult... it's learning to live with the life style changes that must happen in order to lose that is hard. If you want to lose weight and you're willing to make the changes, here's some basic information.

1) You must expend more calories than you consume.

2) The average daily consumption of calories for Americans is around 3700.

3) For your age, height and weight, your basal metabolic rate is around 2085 calories. In other words, that is how many calories you burn per day just by living.

4) Walking is great exercise, but it only consumes so many calories. For your current weight, if you're walking for an hour every day and covering about 4 miles, you are only burning about 560 calories per day. That's a little more than 9 calories per minute, whereas you burn nearly 1.5 calories per minute by just existing.

5) It's general accepted that every pound of muscle on your body burns between 25 and 50 calories per day. Every pound of fat only burns about 2 calories.

6) In very layman's terms, the three main sources of calories are fats, proteins, and carbohydrates. Carbohydrates are easier for your body to burn, so it'll use them first. When carbohydrates are depleted, the body will next burn fat... including stored fat. The body will only use protein when there is insufficient carbohydrates or fat for its needs.

Soooo... to lose weight, you might consider:

1) Consuming fewer carbohydrates (anything with sugar or grain).

2) Watching your caloric intake.

3) Increasing muscle.

4) Adding higher calorie burning exercise to your routine and keeping active throughout the day.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/11/2009 10:35:36 PM

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They recently came out and said you don't need such and such diet. Just cut down on your calories. In other words work out more and eat less and you will lose.
I have two books by Dr. Mehmet Oz and Dr. Roizen. Their most recent book is on Beauty.
Basically cut out soda, diet and regular. Eat brown rice. Restrict your white bread, crackers etc. Eat more veggies and fruit. Cut back on meat, eat more chicken and fish.
I love asparagus i have been told that is a great way to flush out excess water from your system.
I am NOT a dietician. Restrict caffeine also and as what was mentioned above read your labels. I have read some to know the basics. Everybody is different what works for him/her might not work out for You.
Congrats on quitting smoking! Good luck with your plan whatever you choose.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/11/2009 10:37:11 PM

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I believe somebody said you should walk 10,000 steps a day.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/11/2009 11:22:55 PM

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If I correctly understand everything you have said, I would strongly suggest going to see your physician and explaining to him/her what you have said here.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/11/2009 11:23:11 PM

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The whole army of "experts" can be confusing. Here is my personal experience:
Simple thermodynamics: energy input - energy output. Heavy exercise is bad idea when the goal is just to loose weight. The trick is nutrition. I had to loose about 10 pounds last summer and I did it in three months without any problems. It is important to eat substantially less than you usually do but pay attention to get vitamins (vegetables, fruits) and some protein. Avoid fat and sugary stuff and eating late in the evening. It can be calculated in terms of calories. I never do the calculating though. I find it better just to trust my own feeling: I need to feel a little weak and hungry but not exhausted. Exercise is important but in moderation: team sports, bicycle, walking, running. Muscle building exercise is wrong if weight loss is the target. Fasting has importance for health (religions know it) helping to clean the body but only on rare occasions (once a month).

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/12/2009 12:15:48 AM

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Popeye~

I highly recommend any of the books by Dr. Don Colbert. He is best known for his "What Would Jesus Eat" and "The Bible Cure for..." series. (We have recently started to follow the suggestions in the "Weight Loss and Muscle Gain" book.) You can find them used or overstock on amazon for a dollar or two.

I know he has at least one book on fasting for health. It is not a total starvation diet, but involves juice, suppliments and light meals. He does a very good job of explaining the chemistry that goes on in your body - why certain things work and certain things do not.

Also, your belly could be the result of your workouts. If you have added abdominal muscle, it may be pushing out the fat that was already there. Muscle building happens quicker than fat loss. But the more muscle you have, the higher your metabolism, so the fat will start burning off quicker. And remember - the first place you gain fat will be the last place you loose it.

If it is digestive, increase your fiber and take in probiotics. And don't forget your water.

Best of luck to you. And congrats on stopping smoking.

Be well,
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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/12/2009 4:02:15 AM

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I don't know why people keep suggesting "fasting". All it does is force your body into a starvation mode and it messes up your metabolism. You should probably eat like a diabetic, small meals, drink tons of water (it's also an appetite suppresant), and if nothing else is working, increase your aerobic workout.

And domi - 205 seems "skinny" for a guy who is 6'3", seriously.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/12/2009 4:57:35 AM

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I did 22 days once on a fast. It's not good for you. Feels good after a while and seems like another half of a day in terms of time has been freed up by not thinking about or engaging in the eating of food, but your body understands it is starving and goes into defense mode. I'm not a medical person, but I do know that.

So let me introduce you to what my friends jokingly call the sweet tea diet. It's really not a diet. I'm a consultant. I discovered when I started doing this kind of work that sitting around all day contributed to said gut expanding. So here's the cure that works for me. Do your exercise in the morning. I'm no gym rat, so it's 50 push ups, 50-75 sit ups, then off for coffee and sweet tea. That's all I have all day. Coffee and tea. I eat after work, right around 5 and go for the salads and baked potatoes. Supplement with a good multi-vitamin.

Eat about anything you want from Friday to Monday. I can drop 4-5 pounds a week like that when I want to.

Good luck.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/12/2009 10:32:05 AM

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Any medical people in here with experience in fasting?

right here!!

My advice is do not do it. There are multiple health issues associated with STARVING (fasting is the PC term) but the one that would interest you in the here and now; you are going to put your body into starvation mode. Your metabolism is going to shut down, holding on to every calorie it has as it thinks you are starving it...thus making any weight loss much more difficult.

Sorry Holly, but if you truly fast properly for one day a week, your body will not shut down into starvation mode.

Fasting has a purpose. What is the purpose?
Do a google search for medicinal fasting or detox fasting.
A 24 hr period, with proper fluids, will detox your gut and body of toxins, but not take care of other issues.

Thousands of people religiously fast one day a week for spiritual reasons. In Bible college we used chicken and beef broth, gatorade and lots of water.

"Fasting" for weight loss is a lost cause. This is when Holly's scenerio kicks in.

I gained about 20 pounds after I stopped smoking. I also was going through a pain management day program and was put on Gabapentin.... double whammy for weight gain.

See a nutritionalist, most reputable "gyms" have them.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/12/2009 10:36:28 AM

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If I correctly understand everything you have said, I would strongly suggest going to see your physician and explaining to him/her what you have said here.

They send you to a dietitian (medically based).

See a nutritionalist .... they are everywhere now.
Many DO and DC's practice along side a nutritionalist and massage therapist.

Health food stores, not GNC types, also are connected with nutritionalists.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/12/2009 3:26:35 PM

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You probably need to introduce some aerobic activity. the walking probably doesn't kick up your heart rate enough to burn the calories and thereby remove the "gut."

Fasting is not the answer. It is the reason that diets fail. It only signals to your body to hang on to your precious fat.

I quit smoking on Jan 5th. Took the opposite path. tackled the smoking first not denying my hand to mouth affliction and piled on the food. Now it is time for the gym. Starting slowly and building up to some serious time on the stair master, lifting, jogging and swimming are solid aerobic excercises.

Just be aware that things that are easy like riding a stationary bike are "easy" because the pay off is low. If you have probs with joints and such. Get in the pool. take your time and try to build up to at least 45 minutes of active excercise...Also lift weights. Building muscle mass continues to burn fat even when not lifting...Drink lots of water and eat a number of smaller meals through out the day. this lets your body know that there is not going to be a shortage of food or water and there is not need to retain your tubbiness.

One fat guy to another lol. 6'3" currently around 225....fighting, comfortable weight should be around 205. If I stay at it I might just be wearing that speedo in mid May...It is a breathtaking sight.

Aaw, domiguy, now you're just tryin' to taunt the ladies and gents with a particular appreciation for the male form. :> At 6'3", 225 isn't overweight!
Anyway, sound advice. I wanted to add to what Holly said by explaining that starving one's self actually shocks the body into canabiloc reactions that 'eat' muscle instead of fat and ultimately make you more likely to gain weight.
Talk with your doctor, popeye.
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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/13/2009 11:18:50 AM

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Working out is great but it depends on what kind of workout you are doing. Areobics and treadmill or bike is great for burning fat. Weight lifting builds mass so until you are down in weight you may want to avoid that. A month of working out will not create big changes, give it some more time and the fact that you quit smoking 10 days ago has to be taken into consideration. Watch what you eat, keep track of your calorie and fat intake and make sure you stay away from junk foods. Also watch your sugur intake, sugur actually binds fat to you. Eat smaller meals more often throughout the day and make sure they are healthy low in calories. The biggest things to look for in your foods are calories, sugur, carbs, and fat. Good luck and dont give up.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/13/2009 11:58:46 AM

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Drink lots and lots of... coca-cola.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/13/2009 12:10:46 PM

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If I understand what sweet tea is, it has tons of sugar, and sugar, isn't the greatest for you. People should have very little processed sugar as possible. If you were getting enough vitamins and minerals in your daily diet, then I don't believe you'd need multi vitamins unless your body couldn't process certain minerals or vitamins naturally so you had to do it the pill way. But I'm not an expert so I wouldn't be willing to bet on my opinion.

You're also supposed to eat 3 major meals a day and have like 2 snacks a day , Breakfast Lunch snack and Dinner then snack.Skipping meals isn't typically healthy nor recommended by dr's nor nutritionists..

Yams also have more vitamins and nutrients than a baked potato and are better for you than baked potato's

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, then off for coffee and sweet tea. That's all I have all day. Coffee and tea. I eat after work, right around 5 and go for the salads and baked potatoes. Supplement with a good multi-vitamin.

Good luck.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/13/2009 4:01:29 PM

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Get a different trainer. Seriously. If you are not being advised on nutritional issues, dietary changes and aerobic activity, you are not going to get good results. Anareobic is not really going to burn the amount of calories you are hoping for. And fasting is never a good idea. :)

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I do both the treadmill at 3 mph with a 3% grade and my heart rate is about 125.
Also a weight lifting program , full body workout, on 12 differant weight machines.
The trainer is a muscle guy and all he tells me is "more weight."

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/13/2009 4:41:06 PM

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I am one for advocating avoiding grains in your diet.. they are carbs which breaks down into sugars and is stored as fat for future energy needs

http://www.nograindiet.com/

I had a dog that I kept cutting the amount fed, and switched to lower calorie foods but his weight continued to increase, I had take him to the vet and had thyroid levels checked and even did a short trial since he was borderline low but even then he continued to gain weight

He was a beautiful greyhound that had a body that looked like it belonged to a lab retriever, after years of frustration someone suggest that atkins style diet diet. ..Increase the meat throw in vegetables and toss the grains, in order to feed him the same portion I needed to double his calories for such a big dog to already be eating portions meant for a 20 lb dog there was no way I could cut his food portions in half again at least not with a weaning down ... so I let his have the double calories to get him adjusted to the new diet and was driving to the vets to put on their scale for weighing, the very week for the first time in years he lost weight .. so I decides not to tamper with the calories and each week I took him back and he shed more pounds

this is a picture from the start of his diet a few years ago http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/mleg2001/the%20gang/?action=view&current=P10100161.jpg

this is the old boy now looking once again like a greyhound and still looking quite muscular despite having a former broken rear leg and being a 12 year old senior and leash is set up to prevent him ripping off an arm should he spot a squirrel or rabbit, as he is still very much a powerhouse of energy when he sees prey

http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/mleg2001/?action=view&current=photosofdogs.jpg

this story is kind of proof that lowering calories is not always a necessity, and that even boosting is possible.. sometimes it is more a matter of eating the wrong foods that results in the weight gain.

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/14/2009 3:58:37 AM

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popeye....well..." Fasting is an Art." First thing is to change your diet. And start drinking 1-2 gallons of water per day. Don't freak out on the amount of water, eat fruits and veg. only. FIRST WEEK ....Take your vit. In the morning eat Cheerolls or a High Fiber Cereal.

Ok, now comes second week...Drink 2-3 gallons of water per day this week. (Tea, Koolaids w/NO Sugar, lemonade, etc.) Take Vit.
"NO SOFT DRINKS or BEER. Eat fruits, breads, veg., Baked Fish in Olive Oil only. You can drink wine, and you will feel it hits you harder........

Ok, you are on week three(3)....Are you still with me? Work your water intake 1-more gal per week. And be sure that you are letting out(PISS), that you measure no less than two qts or 2-liters. If you are NOT draining, pissing, or whatever you call it at least 2-qts per day then up your water intake till you are going at least 2-liters a day. Make sure you keep taking your vit. Take 500-mg. of Vit.C 4/times a day. For the next few days.

popeye....there is more to losing weight than just working out. Keep working out, eat a good meal(fish or chicken, lots of greens & fruit) And keep that water intake. This ought to do the trick if you do your part...!!!! Write me if you have any questions...Good Luck!! YOU CAN DO IT...!!!

Your diet will be the way YOU work it!!!and it works.....The choice is yours. I was 60lbs. over-weight years ago. I made up my mind, I was going to lose 10/lbs. a week...MIND over MATTER...And did it. And now been staying around 180-185lbs @ 6'2" tall. This is the weight for me.. Fried Foods are your WORST FOODS...for your body. Sometimes only!!! Once a week, once you get you weight down where you want it. REmember!!! YOU are what YOU eat!!!

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RE: Fasting, any medical people in here? - 3/14/2009 6:01:04 AM

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What you might want to try instead is LOTS of water - at least eight 8-oz glasses a day, and doing a colon cleansing treatment. There are kits that you can get at the health food store that will clean your colon, liver, etc. If I get abdominal bloat it is typically because my body is holding onto too much water or because I have become irregular. Anything containing caffeine will actually work against you so use real water for at least six of the glasses and something decaffeinated for the other two. You can add a little lemon juice to your water and that will also work to clean your urinary tract.

Starvation dieting will not work to remove your belly. If anything it will make it more likely that you will put on weight quickly afterward. I have low blood sugar and have had to eat four or five small meals a day for the past twenty some years. It is actually much more healthy for you - your body has the time to digest the food. If you want to "diet" following a diabetic diet (same for low blood sugar) is one of the healthiest diets there is. It balances protein, carbohydrates, a small amount of fat, and plenty of fruits and vegetables. I've lost 86 pounds eating four to five meals a day - you just need to make sure that none of the meals are too big.

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