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Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 4:58:12 AM

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i've been wondering this for quite a while; what traits does a Master consider neccessary to earn the title of slave?

i'm confused because to me a slave isn't allowed to have thoughts, from my understanding she is to be more robotic than human (id on't know much yet, but from what i've been told so far, this is the feeling i get from it)...but then what is a girl called if she has a Master who wants to be able to converse with her, share opinions and beliefs with her and what if she feels she needs that as well, will she never be a slave?

Or is being a slave really about the fact that she wants to please Him in every shape and form that He desires, so if He wants her to be more human than machine-like, she is fulfilling/satisfying Him, and thus she is *still* a slave in His eyes?

Did what i say even make sense?

RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 6:00:58 AM

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Every Dom(me) and every slavegirl is unique!!!
you have to find a Dom(me) who fits to your desires.
you do not HAVE to do what an other Dom(me) is ordering you, if he/ she is not your Dom(me)
Only do what makes you feeling happy and save.

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 6:10:35 AM

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I'm afraid it's even more complicated than you think. Most people will disagree with your ideas. Get to know people on the board. I consider myself a slave and you will see that I do not fit your profile at all. Does that make me not a slave? Does that make your definition wrong? Both? Neither?

Take your time. You ask good questions. But your answer will come only through time, exposure and perspective.

What's the difference between slaves and submissives?

Submissive or slave?

Slaves versus submissive

Submissive or slave? (2)

Submissive vs slave (2)

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 6:29:44 AM

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I hate the use of terms--I know we need them to start some kind of framework--but I swear submissives get their panties too mucn in a wad over slave versus submissive--and yes there are tons here that will argue that concept--

IMHO, I want his deepest submission--I want him to please Me, I want to be pleased that he does--I want that dynamic to enslave him--I want that dynamic to enslave U/us.

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but then what is a girl called if she has a Master who wants to be able to converse with her, share opinions and beliefs with her and what if she feels she needs that as well, will she never be a slave?

She is called by one term----His

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 9:03:44 AM

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Thanks so much to E/everyone who replied, this was a great read!

Thanks also for the links, i'll go through them all very soon

This quote really struck me:

"She is called by one term----His"

i really love that sentiment.

Thanks to A/all who replied, reading what more experienced people in the lifestyle have said makes me feel more secure that i can still one day honestly say i am a slave for the One i love despite the fact that i choose not to be what Others would expect me to be. It's very comforting and reassuring, i feel better now

... Hopefully i will find One who feels the same as i do on the subject

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 9:07:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Heinz

Every Dom(me) and every slavegirl is unique!!!
you have to find a Dom(me) who fits to your desires.
you do not HAVE to do what an other Dom(me) is ordering you, if he/ she is not your Dom(me)
Only do what makes you feeling happy and save.

Heinz from Holland

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Btw, i was confused by the thing about the email, i don't know if it's directed at me or not & can't recall putting my email addy there, but if i did i'm sorry

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 9:13:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: misssubmisse

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Btw, i was confused by the thing about the email, i don't know if it's directed at me or not & can't recall putting my email addy there, but if i did i'm sorry

He put his address in there, that's why the mods modified his post, not yours.

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 9:14:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: misssubmisse
Hopefully i will find One who feels the same as i do on the subject

Just do yourself a favor and don't get into a committed relationship for at least six months.

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 9:18:22 AM

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Ah, got it, thanks

And thank you too for the warning about a serious relationship, i appreciate it and i do definitely plan to wait; at this point it's pretty new so the idea of going too deep is still somewhat scary/uncomfortable.

i'm not looking to find a Master on the site, i just want to learn and see what happens in time

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 9:22:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: misssubmisse
And thank you too for the warning about a serious relationship, i appreciate it and i do definitely plan to wait; at this point it's pretty new so the idea of going too deep is still somewhat scary/uncomfortable.

But it's also exciting and sweet and delicious and would be quite easy for someone to manipulate your desires and convince you just how perfect you are for them and just how much you need them in order to let your true self blossom and allow them to care for you and share your submission with them as it was always meant to be shared.

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i'm not looking to find a Master on the site, i just want to learn and see what happens in time

We'll see.

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 9:30:15 AM

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i'm confused because to me a slave isn't allowed to have thoughts,

Wow....I'd love to meet the man who is so powerful that he can stop thoughts!!!

(just my opinion...but men who come from that kind of perspective aren't worth wasting precious time on)

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 9:38:16 AM

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i understand what you're saying LA, and it's sound advice, i appreciate it. i've never dated or even met someone from a website or chat, so i'm pretty certain i wouldn't be swayed to start now, although i can definitely see how it would be much easier to manipulate in this environment with my present situation where i'm looking to delve deeper into these desires.

lol @ the comment about a man powerful enough to stop thoughts, made me giggle

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 10:23:07 AM

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quote:

i've been wondering this for quite a while; what traits does a Master consider neccessary to earn the title of slave?

miss sub misse,
They say as you age you acquire wisdom. The greatest wisdom is to realize you know much less than you thought you do and did when you were younger. If you take the time to refer to the threads that LA has kindly identified for you I'm sure you'll see some definitions by me and my slave beth. I'm telling you that globally any definition we offered was wrong for everyone else except for us. I apologize for being so adamant and stubborn. I've come to realize that an absolute definition is impossible. Locking into only one definition is, by it's nature, polarizing and exclusionary.

We, and the other posters, can only define the word "slave" as it exists for them. Some have the perspective of a current or past relationship. Some are giving the definition they have in mind when they are seeking a "slave". Others are identifying what they are and feel comfortable labeling that definition by the word "slave". They are ALL correct. But they are all WRONG for you. When I look into my mind's dictionary for the definition of "slave" beth's picture is there. The picture in your mental dictionary, and everyone else's should be just as unique.

Your definition has much more legitimacy for you than the definition anyone else can provide. You don't really need a definition or a label, but having one does give a benchmark for further discussions with those who will be contacting you. The best idea is to ask the person who does contact you what is their definition of "slave". While your at it ask for his/her definition of "Master". If yours and his definitions are compatible; go on from there.

By restricting yourself to preconceived definitions of these terms you may be excluding people whose definition of "slave" is your definition of "submissive", and vice-versa. Define yourself first. Go out and listen to those contacting you define themselves. Worry about defining labels only when the important matter of getting to know the person is behind you.

Good Luck!

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 11:00:50 AM

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I come to understand a slave is one whose desire is her Master desire. Her thoughts are her Masters thoughts the one ideal slave is the story of O and that is based on a fantasy. I feel slave is one who only purpose in life is to serve the one to fullest of her ability. A slave is not a door mat or some one to tear down but to build up to form what the Master needs and desire in his girl. It is the Master Job to mold and shape her in his mind the ideal slave he needs and want to serve him. A slave is well educated, knowledgeable. And have skills that will benefit her Master. She is not to question what Master Desire is for her duty is to serve with all of her heart, mind, body and spirit. This is what it means to me to be a slave.

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 11:03:04 AM

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Thanks a lot for Your reply Merc, it was very enlightening. To read Your words, it's like it was common sense all along, i just took for granted that for experienced people there would be hard and set definitions.

On a humorous note, reading this line reminded me of something a close friend often says:
"They say as you age you acquire wisdom."

Her retort is:
"But sometimes age comes alone" lol

It always makes me laugh, but it also makes me strive to learn as much as i can while i can, i don't want age to come alone for me.

Thanks for such a detailed and thorough reply, i did read the links that LA had posted and feel the same sentiment echoed in the majority of what i read there as well.

Thank You to Hoosier as well for sharing Your thoughts

i love this site

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 11:10:43 AM

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quote:

On a humorous note, reading this line reminded me of something a close friend often says:
"They say as you age you acquire wisdom."

Her retort is:
"But sometimes age comes alone" lol

I love it!!!!....and ohhhhhhh such truth!

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 11:16:23 AM

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lol It's a great reply, isn't it?

Now i'll have to remind myself to ask her if it's an original or if she read it on a tshirt

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 11:25:58 AM

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quote:

"But sometimes age comes alone"

I resemble that remark!

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 11:32:20 AM

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It didn't sound like it to me, but it's nice that You didn't chastise me, so i'm happy lol

Thanks again A/all for sharing Y/your thoughts on the topic and being patient with my ignorant newbie questions, i'm very grateful

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RE: Definition of "slave" - 1/24/2006 11:57:06 AM

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Chastise you for stating undeniable fact? NEVER~! Rather - congrats!!

"When the facts change it’s good to change your opinion."

That quote provides another example of the effects of age. I've used that quote or a paraphrase of that quote for many years. It works for employees as well as kids! Yet today I can't remember the person who first said it.

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