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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 2/13/2006 11:21:31 PM

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My Master is on disability. He was injured in a car wreck 10 years ago. I work.. I make rather good money... I am pleased with what I make. I support us both, alone with our joint sub. Does it make him any less worthwhile because I support the home? No.... it is just that he cant... does that make him less of a Dom? NO...

Anyway... that is my 2 cents.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 2/13/2006 11:32:33 PM

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I don't care one cent about what my loving Master has or has not. It is the man, the who he is, that is the true wealth. And, that has nothing at all to do with money or his dominance. Just who he is.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 2/13/2006 11:39:31 PM

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I don't care one cent about what my loving Master has or has not. It is the man, the who he is, that is the true wealth. And, that has nothing at all to do with money or his dominance. Just who he is.

Very well said...

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 2/14/2006 4:26:18 AM

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If you can't even take care of yourself hardly making it or moments away from destitution you shouldn't take another person's care on.

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If you can't even take care of yourself hardly making it or moments away from destitution you shouldn't take another person's care on.

Ah but should They be "taking care of us" or should they be mastering us.... i hope They are mastering us and we are taking care of ourselves.

Just my opinion.
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 2/14/2006 7:19:12 AM

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Enters, waves to all...............

Wow what an interesting thread. Some people have money, some don't- just like ethics. Some people are on the net realtime, others in fantasyland, wow again!!! I haven't even got to the Dom and money debate!

Even online here at CollarMe the issue of money and peoples' openess, veiled openess, or downright judgementalism is so smacking (oh, how can I fit THAT word in again?) of the general tolerance, intolerance of modern society. But has society ever changed with regards to the MONEY QUESTION?

ps. I dont have alot of money- so I make my floggers out of braided strips from my empty 'wheeties packets' then dip them in beeswax from the native bee hive out back.

Can we start a thread on how to be a 'Worthy Dom/me ' on a government subsidy/ income? The 'haves' may learn some tips on how to 'HAVE' more!

Smiles and laughs to all, sorry gotta go and turn the possum/squirrel 'on the spit' (I wish I could afford a little motor for it)

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 2/14/2006 7:55:04 AM

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If you can't even take care of yourself hardly making it or moments away from destitution you shouldn't take another person's care on.

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If you can't even take care of yourself hardly making it or moments away from destitution you shouldn't take another person's care on.

Ah but should They be "taking care of us" or should they be mastering us.... i hope They are mastering us and we are taking care of ourselves.

Just my opinion.
hs

Great question. "Taking care of us" can have varying meanings to different people. For some, being Mastered IS being taken care of. For others, it is being financially supported, etc. And "should," as we have learned in this wonderful BDSM community, depends on the dynamics of the two in the relationship. If you ask 100 what "should" occur, you will get about 90 different answers.

i remember when begging my Master to train me, asking him, if i give myself over to him, will he take care of me? He wanted to know what i meant. For me, i just didn't want to be abused again. "Taking care of me" meant looking out for my best interest while training me to his liking.

Going back to what i think the poster meant....i guess it all goes back to that saying, if one can not master him/herself, how can he/she master another?

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 2/14/2006 2:57:54 PM

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Ah but should They be "taking care of us" or should they be mastering us.... i hope They are mastering us and we are taking care of ourselves.

Just my opinion.
hs

Well said and I can agree with it.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 2/14/2006 5:01:25 PM

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Like with most other lifestyles having money helps, though I don’t think it is too important to how a person chooses to live there life.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/12/2006 6:48:26 PM

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I am a socialist and believe that income shouldn't be based on how much intelligence you have been bestowed upon by our creator. You've done nothing to earn your intelligence, so why should you be compensated more because you have it?

Bill Gates should make more than John Doe that works the concession stand at the theatre because Gates has brought more "to the table" so to speak.......he's created thousands of jobs and provided services that most could not have done. This doesn't make him any better than John Doe, btw.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/12/2006 6:54:09 PM

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I am a socialist and believe that income shouldn't be based on how much intelligence you have been bestowed upon by our creator. You've done nothing to earn your intelligence, so why should you be compensated more because you have it?

Bill Gates should make more than John Doe that works the concession stand at the theatre because Gates has brought more "to the table" so to speak.......he's created thousands of jobs and provided services that most could not have done. This doesn't make him any better than John Doe, btw.

It's not that you have intelligence; it's what you do with it. It's called free enterprise.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/12/2006 7:07:24 PM

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I have had a comfortable wage, I have been poor...I am now making less than half of what I did six months ago and starting over for various reasons but all based on my own decisions in controlling my own life...I have had people not interested before because money was more important to them than me and they are welcome to that opinion...if you judge me by my salary, then I am not interested in you either...that said, hell I enjoy having just as much as anyone else, money provides a means to an end but I have learned to go after my dreams with or with out...to me, my artwork, my writing, my development, growth etc are more important than holding onto objects or money...
How's that for a spiritual excuse for being poor LOL!
C

Now what day does the Dom assistance checks arrive again?

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/12/2006 7:13:58 PM

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I am a socialist and believe that income shouldn't be based on how much intelligence you have been bestowed upon by our creator. You've done nothing to earn your intelligence, so why should you be compensated more because you have it?

It's not that you have intelligence; it's what you do with it. It's called free enterprise.

Persistence does matter hugely, as does inspiration, and perspiration lol.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/12/2006 7:16:35 PM

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~ smiles ~ Yes, that too. :)

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/12/2006 7:32:19 PM

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I really can't say I've been rich, but when I met Libby I was the vice president of Erdos and Morgan, a research firm then on Madison Ave, and I pulled in a nice six figure salary. I left that job and spent a year writing Torquemada Killer and The Loving Dominant so I essentially had zero salary. Most of the jobs I've held, Marine officer, journalist, professor, haven't been all that well paying but one thing I always did was bank between ten and fifteen percent of my salary every paycheck.

Libby and I are compatable in that as she's also done exactly that. Our only bone of contention has been that she went for real estate and I was in mutual funds and the stock market. Interestingly, the amount our assets grew over the years were almost exactly the same.

Now, I'm retired and she's just waiting until she's 59 and a half to wave good-by to the working world. Of course, her employer knows this and is working to head it off. Just last week, almost exactly on the anniversary of our first scene, she was promoted to VP. The man knows how to motivate her: challenges and money.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/12/2006 7:55:54 PM

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The Dominants with little income who live on the financial edge or have little money to play with?

Those who sometimes (usually dependent on bill time) have to scrimp and scrape to pay the bills and have money left over for food?

In their situation as long as they are not about to be made homeless, should they be cast aside by the majority of the lifestyle?

Do their character, experience and good name as a sensible and safe Dominant count for nothing?

In other words, is there a financial level in which we as a lifestyle turn our backs and try to forget that they exist?

What say you Dominants and what say you sub/slaves?

I havent read the whole thread, but I dont get what you mean by "cast aside".

Any person worth anything knows having money, business reputation, or the lack of either means nothing in regards to a persons character. Why would someone with no money or reputation be cast aside?

I've had friends from all walks of life, from renunciates who own as little as a piece of cloth to major money people. The Dalai Lamas smile and hug is worth a billion dollars to me. Times Ive spent on a dirt floor in the presence of a Yogi who hasnt spoken or walked in 40 years is an experience I will never forget.

I know which experiences of my life have made the deepest impression...and funny thing..they have never had anything to do with money.

If people within the bdsm community cast Dominants aside due to lack of funds..well I think thats dumb. I could be slave to the poorest Man on earth if He was a good Master.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/13/2006 12:55:18 AM

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Have been watching a thread in the “Ask a Master” forum entitled “Work in BDSM relationships”. It has been interesting and informative. However there is an off shoot which I am curious what members think.

Too often we have the illusion that Doms have some wealth. Usually with good wages or salaries and perhaps even own their own businesses. I’ll agree that this is an ideal scenario for sub/slaves to enter into as it indicates the possibility of greater security which may be what they require especially if they have been through the mill financially. What about the other end of the spectrum then?

The Dominants with little income who live on the financial edge or have little money to play with?

Those who sometimes (usually dependent on bill time) have to scrimp and scrape to pay the bills and have money left over for food?

In their situation as long as they are not about to be made homeless, should they be cast aside by the majority of the lifestyle?

Do their character, experience and good name as a sensible and safe Dominant count for nothing?

In other words, is there a financial level in which we as a lifestyle turn our backs and try to forget that they exist?

What say you Dominants and what say you sub/slaves?

yes i know this is a rather large block of text to quote, but rather hack at it and potentially warp the meaning of the words, not gonna do it.
now to answer your Questions IronBear....
While i would love to say i have alot of cash to play with, i dont. I am in college, taking 13 semester hours worth of classes. These are not the "underwater basket weaving style classes either, the more difficult classes i have taken range from physics to historigraphical writing. i have been busting my own butt working 40+ hours a week as well.
i dont have a lot of cash, as a matter of fact, i am on food stamps because of the way things have worked out. i have child support taken out of my paycheck every week. half my paycheck goes to my kids every week. so i have absolutely no chas for food outside of what the food stamps provide.
i bust my ass to make sure my kids have what they need. in essence, i have no cash for play time.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/13/2006 1:57:44 AM

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I don't think this is a dom - sub thing so much as a man woman thing as Fergus early in the thread pointed out.

I got well and truely shafted once by a sub that wasn't interested in money LOL, now I take it as a general rule to keep quiet about my money and accept women are generally looking to be kept. However, not by me. Once biten etc. I enjoy scening but I don't enjoy having a woman leach off me, not in this day and age of so called equality. Prostitutes are cheaper and more honest.

Maybe if I met the right person I'd soften but I would never let on as to how much money I've got. If she doesn't want me for my intrinsic self she's not having me for my money.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/13/2006 2:10:10 AM

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However meatcleaver, the OP was based on what people have talked tome about face to face in counselling sessions or on line in personal chats again in counselling or on the phone in counselling.... Most are aware that the lack of finances can and does effect the suitability for a potential partner in the non lifestyle or mundane world.. I was simply curious as to the thoughts and feelings of those within the general BDSM/Gorean Lifestyles regarding D/s, M/s and Gorean relationships....

Edited to add: There is no right or wrong answers each is true for the poster..

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/13/2006 3:08:36 AM

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Interesting how this subject descended into a capitalist jerkoff.

I am a rich switch. I have a loving partner, who worships me as much as I do her. We have a sub who's a hell of a lot younger than us, as eager as pie and as cute as a button. We have a bag of toys, wicked imaginations and neighbours who keep their heads down, when they're not giving us funny looks. We have a roof over our heads, coffee on the hob, and chocolate in the cupboard.

The fact I'm broke doesn't come into it

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/13/2006 6:00:37 AM

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It is often not the amount of money, but the attitude toward money. There are many who have limited incomes and live full and engaged lives. It would be horrifying to me to ask how much money anybody made . . . but an attitude toward life and living would tell me a lot about a person.

It would make me shy away to hear someone describe him/herself as impoverished or low income. Not because of the money, but because of the outlook. A few posters have mentioned that while following dreams and desires, their cash income dropped. However, their worth increased immensely.

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