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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/14/2006 12:32:15 PM   
BrianSenior


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Status: offline 		I agree that it is not the amount of money being made, but how it is spent. A Dom should have the priorites straight. As long as they are in the correct fashion, all is or should be fine.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/24/2006 6:56:37 PM   
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 1:42:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Have been watching a thread in the “Ask a Master” forum entitled “Work in BDSM relationships”. It has been interesting and informative. However there is an off shoot which I am curious what members think.

Too often we have the illusion that Doms have some wealth. Usually with good wages or salaries and perhaps even own their own businesses. I’ll agree that this is an ideal scenario for sub/slaves to enter into as it indicates the possibility of greater security which may be what they require especially if they have been through the mill financially. What about the other end of the spectrum then?

The Dominants with little income who live on the financial edge or have little money to play with?

Those who sometimes (usually dependent on bill time) have to scrimp and scrape to pay the bills and have money left over for food?

In their situation as long as they are not about to be made homeless, should they be cast aside by the majority of the lifestyle?

Do their character, experience and good name as a sensible and safe Dominant count for nothing?

In other words, is there a financial level in which we as a lifestyle turn our backs and try to forget that they exist?

What say you Dominants and what say you sub/slaves?



IronBear, I am definately one that would be considered low income. I am currently in college and am paying child support for my kids. Basically, half of what i make is taken from my check every week. I have very little free money to travel, to purchase toys and all. All i can do is make do with what i have. I am upfront about all of that when i speak with someone. In essence, it is take it as it comes with regards to me.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 3:16:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Controversial point. This came up as I was discussing De Sade with a female friend.

She asked, how can a male be dominant if he is not an alpha male? To her to have a male dominating her that was not a social or economic success would be just having an inadequate man bullying her. Her arguement was that you just can't go round calling yourself dominant, you are or your aren't and to her being dominant could be measured by his success. While she could fully understand the fantasy of sexual domination, without the male being an alpha male, it is just that. A fantasy!

Oh. I am not an alpha male nor a dominant in her eyes so this is not a snipe but it did seem a valid point to me.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 4:02:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		What about the low-income sub or slave?  The woman/man in need of rescue (with kids, mostly) because of (a) circumstances beyond her control -- which i consider temporary or (b) a desire to be taken care of financially -- which i consider a character flaw and short-sighted as hell.
 
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 4:08:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		With the current economic climate, I guess I could put together an impressive list of financially disenfranchised Alpha Males. This list wouldn’t be including those who are on pensions due to illness or injury either. Yet it is a combination of those very people who are involved or have been involved in the general BDSM scene and who are now being shunned or not accepted because the are not according to some, successful. All they have lost id their ability to achieve a reasonable income.  I certainly do speak from personal knowledge to some degree here.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 4:50:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

With the current economic climate, I guess I could put together an impressive list of financially disenfranchised Alpha Males. This list wouldn’t be including those who are on pensions due to illness or injury either. Yet it is a combination of those very people who are involved or have been involved in the general BDSM scene and who are now being shunned or not accepted because the are not according to some, successful. All they have lost id their ability to achieve a reasonable income.  I certainly do speak from personal knowledge to some degree here. (Emphasis added.)


Seems to me a very shallow definition of success.  What a bunch of losers.
 
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 4:55:18 AM   
Quivver


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Status: offline 		I wonder which is worse, emotionally or financially bankrupt....
That's the list I'd like to see.... hee heeee



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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 4:59:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just for clarification, candy, which are you calling losers here? The people shunning are the people being shunned?

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 5:19:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Controversial point. This came up as I was discussing De Sade with a female friend.

She asked, how can a male be dominant if he is not an alpha male? To her to have a male dominating her that was not a social or economic success would be just having an inadequate man bullying her. Her arguement was that you just can't go round calling yourself dominant, you are or your aren't and to her being dominant could be measured by his success. While she could fully understand the fantasy of sexual domination, without the male being an alpha male, it is just that. A fantasy!

Oh. I am not an alpha male nor a dominant in her eyes so this is not a snipe but it did seem a valid point to me.

I come into contact almost daily with people this person would consider "alpha males" and I've found an underlying current in them. They're not a "Dominant" in anyway that would be wanted in the BDSM world. They are uncaring and in many cases unethical people that don't care who they lie to or have to cheat in order to keep a dollar in their pocket. They launder their money in "legal" ways so they get out of what they should pay in taxes. I'm not talking about people that make a hundred thousand a year or even five-hundred thousand. I talking about people that have multi-million dollar homes that they come to once or twice a year. There's nothing "Dominant" about them, they just know how to lie cheat and steal on a bigger scale.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 5:47:48 AM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		That's interesting. All the Male Domionants I personally know are also Alpha Males hell I'm Alpha Male too.. But I know Alpha males who are complete selfserving and self centered arseholes as well. Perhaps we can agree that not every Alpha male is suited to be a Lifestyle Dominant?  

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 6:17:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Controversial point. This came up as I was discussing De Sade with a female friend.

She asked, how can a male be dominant if he is not an alpha male? To her to have a male dominating her that was not a social or economic success would be just having an inadequate man bullying her. Her arguement was that you just can't go round calling yourself dominant, you are or your aren't and to her being dominant could be measured by his success. While she could fully understand the fantasy of sexual domination, without the male being an alpha male, it is just that. A fantasy!

Oh. I am not an alpha male nor a dominant in her eyes so this is not a snipe but it did seem a valid point to me.


So if a high-earning dominant suddenly found themself on a desert island, they would automatically cease being dominant?
 
Sounds like she just wants some loot.
 
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 6:23:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Quivver

I wonder which is worse, emotionally or financially bankrupt....
That's the list I'd like to see.... hee heeee




That would be a good thread, Quivver.............and nice to see a pic of you up again, you're a beautiful lady.
 
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 7:13:51 AM   
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a desire to be taken care of financially -- which i consider a character flaw and short-sighted as hell.
 
As compared to making cosmetics and salon visits a hard limit.
 
Whether the water is 1 inch or 2 inches deep it's still shallow, and anyone diving into the pool or the person is likely to get hurt and should be counseled against it. 

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 8:28:42 AM   
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So if a high-earning dominant suddenly found themself on a desert island, they would automatically cease being dominant?
 
Sounds like she just wants some loot.
 
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Probably but since many an affluent man has success in attracting young attractive females, it seems to me she isn't alone in her preference to date men with money.

I have to admit my own experience of success with the opposite sex mirrors my economic fortune on the whole. Though the one relationship I had that holds dear, this was far from the case but alas, fate intervened in that relationship.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 8:37:37 AM   
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involved or have been involved in the general BDSM scene and who are now being shunned or not accepted because the are not according to some, successful. All they have lost id their ability to achieve a reasonable income. I certainly do
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level


So if a high-earning dominant suddenly found themself on a desert island, they would automatically cease being dominant?
 
Sounds like she just wants some loot.
 
Level


Probably but since many an affluent man has success in attracting young attractive females, it seems to me she isn't alone in her preference to date men with money.

I have to admit my own experience of success with the opposite sex mirrors my economic fortune on the whole. Though the one relationship I had that holds dear, this was far from the case but alas, fate intervened in that relationship.


You know back when I was working at "The Steer" which was basically a huge frat/sorority house (it was a college student bar) which served booze. We would have some of the girls on send floor balcony stand there and look at the guys and what cars they drive, I took some time to observe this, some of the kids who drove some expensive models got Hit on and flirted with alot. It was pretty funny, especially after I looked one of the girls in the eyse and she knew that I knew it was funny.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 9:46:38 AM   
LadySonelle


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Status: offline 		Speaking as a Domme who does live on the edge (and have been homeless in my time) I would say that males generally tend to have an easier time of it financially. I am Female, visually impaired and living on disability.  I do what I can and enjoy My life. I can make moments of great luxury and wealth for Myself using very little, but EVERY bit helps and a financialslave would currently save Me from a very bad situation.

Sadly, Dominants who need money are frequently insulted or ignored by slaves who could otherwise easily aid them!

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 10:03:22 AM   
shygirldesires


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Status: offline 		The Dominants with little income who live on the financial edge or have little money to play with?

Those who sometimes (usually dependent on bill time) have to scrimp and scrape to pay the bills and have money left over for food?

In their situation as long as they are not about to be made homeless, should they be cast aside by the majority of the lifestyle?

Do their character, experience and good name as a sensible and safe Dominant count for nothing?
Applaud applaud applaud IronBear.
In other words, is there a financial level in which we as a lifestyle turn our backs and try to forget that they exist?

These are MY thoughts.....  a man (Dom or not) has NO control over the management of the company he works for ~~> downsizing, layoffs, economic screwups by CEO's, etc...so he goes looking for a job.  In today's economy he wants what he had before. It can be humiliating to the man to find something far less... but he swallows his pride.  He might be lucky enough to find something much better. Why does a woman think a man MUST financially support her or why should she think his income is what makes him "proper and fit?"  
What a man has, owns, spends his money on and the job he has SHOULD NOT make him a Dom.
If a woman puts a Dom on a pedestal thinking she worships his vehicle, income, house and not his character is seeking fantasy NOT reality.  Give me a PAUPER who has character, strength, integrity and respect for himself rather than a PRINCE who thinks what he has accummulated makes him who he is.
 
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 10:16:27 AM   
shygirldesires


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

a desire to be taken care of financially -- which i consider a character flaw and short-sighted as hell.
 
As compared to making cosmetics and salon visits a hard limit.
 
Whether the water is 1 inch or 2 inches deep it's still shallow, and anyone diving into the pool or the person is likely to get hurt and should be counseled against it. 


Maybe CM aught to have some sort of criteria for a women.... NEEDS HIGH MAINTAINANCE!  
...and for the men....LIVES WITHIN MEANS
 
SHALL I APOLOGIZE FOR MY SARCASM NOW OR LATER?? 
 
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 3/25/2006 10:19:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I SEE THIS EVERY DAY WITH SEVERAL FRIENDS OF MINE IN THE LIFESTYLE ALL WORKED TOGETHER AND MADE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY OVER THE SPAN OF ENPLOYMENT,sOME OF US THOUGHT ABOUT THE FUTURE AND SUFFERED WHEN  WE WERE YOUNG SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO AT THIS STAGE OF OUR LIFES bELIEVE ME FROM OVER A 100000K A YEAR TO ABOUT ONE THIRD OF THAT AMOUNT ISN
 A LAUGHTING MATTER.I AM LUCKY AND HAVE A VERY BEAUTIFUL WIFE THAT HELPS OUT.iIAM A BLUE COLLAR TYPE OF GUY AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN SO..i AM UP FRONT IN TELLING THOSE THAT WISH TO SERVE THIS VERY THING.i EXPECT MY SLAVES TO BE EMPLOYED AND TO REMAIN SO...iIHAVE A WELL RESPECTED FRIEND THATS A MASTER OF HIMSELF AS WELL AS OTHERS,HE DRIVES A TRUCK FOR 300 A WEEK.its WHAT YOU ARE INSIDE THEN WHATS IN YOUR WALLET.....SO WHAT IS YOUR WALLET...RAMBLING BUT JUST AM OL masters VIEW ON THE SUBJECY....WILLIAM AKA bountyhunter

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