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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/7/2006 11:37:16 AM

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Did you read the other thread? If he had referred to her as a "Catholic bag of shit," I think you'd have a right to ask how it's relevant that she's Catholic. It doesn't even matter whether YOU'RE Catholic. Bigotry harms everyone--and, I'll tell you, lately I've noticed a lot more of this crap on CM than I did in the past. I've been here long enough to have a kind of institutional memory. I believe it's important to nip this shit in the bud, and at least force people to explain their vague ambiguous statements, because I've seen what happens on other boards when bigotry is allowed to flourish.

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Perhaps you are being a bit too sensitive.

There is a thread on Catholic School Images on this board. I'm Catholic ... should I have a fucking whiney hissy fit and start calling people names?

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/7/2006 11:41:22 AM

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Hello,

i have been on many ends of the spectrum.

With a dominant who could "take care of me" but was emotionally stunted and unable to care for any other needs than a roof over the head and food.

With a dominant who lived on spousal support from an ex-wife. That one didn't last long as being used as a chauffeur/money pit is not on my agenda.

i've also been with a dominant who moved in with me, with no money, no source of income, whom i had to force to get off his ass. He did get a job, it was barely over the legal minimum wage where we live and contributed nothing to our life, besides buying what he wanted.

Is money a big issue? You're damn right it is.

i am a submissive, i do receive child support from my ex-husband for the support and maintenance of our children. i am a full-time student receiving government loans to live on.

Am i made of money? nope. Can i pay my bills? yep.

i have learned over my interestingly varied life, that money does not make a relationship. It can make or break one depending on ideals of both of the partners.

i do require that a potential partner, have a source of income for which he is the one earning. he is able to pay all of his own bills, and live by himself. he is able to get from point a to point b without me.

Am i crass, crude, base?

i dont' think so, just realistic

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/7/2006 11:55:55 AM

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No surprise in a discussion of wealth and resources, anti-Semitism raises its ugly head. Better to blame Jews for your sorry ass poverty than the fact that you are an uneducated lout who can't support your own family without the help of the State -- and if we didn't have laws to make you pay for your children that you so thoughtlessly fathered, you'd dodge that obligation too.

You know what, we Jews DO own the resources, the media, and yes, even CollarMe. We -- and other groups you hate like Asians, immigrants, gays -- work hard, take care of our own and marshall our resources. No wonder we succeed where you don't.

Anonymously yours, The K.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/7/2006 12:16:29 PM

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the funny things is... the Anonymous K doesn't have the faintest idea of what you are actually talking about, LaM....

*just laughs*

T.R.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/7/2006 12:42:22 PM

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ok I think things have gotten way off track with this thread ... I will if need be delete said post to stop any further discussion on it . I in no way meant to offend the jewish faith . I was calling the women law guardian a bag of shit .... the jewish part was simply thrown in there to point out that the jewish faith for a long time has belief that the female parent should and is best suited for raising a child that was the only reason jewish was mentioned at all .. period end of discussion. I am far from a bigot as I have many friends who are jewish, Gay, asian, African-American . whatever . I am not a racial person by any means and any one knowing me truely could attest to this. I do not dodge my obligations I take of my children and i have raised my one son since age 2 .... my income is alot less due to this caring but it was a personal choice I made to care and raise my one son ... the other lives with his mother I see him all the time and personally I think she does a great job with raising him. NOW .......

I hope this puts an End All to this conversation

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/22/2006 2:41:34 AM

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Income doesn't make any difference, it's how good you are with a sub that makes the point in their lives. Be good at stroking their need and you'll have all the ladies you can desire -Yes, we all would like to be wealthy, but the wealthiest dom's and domme's I've found seem to lack a certain facet in their lives - perhaps a condition of living that the rest of us share, is indeed an asset they don't have. Am I poor? No. Do I lack sub women in My life? No. I have beautiful subs come up to Me in clubs and other social lifestyle events and say hello all the time, some I get to play with, some may even eventually wear a Collar proudly, others want to watch, or just say they have met Me -- but in over 25 years or real life experience - in no case - with any sub woman I've played with or met - has the question of: How Much Money do You make? -as a condition of whether I might fit the needs of the lady - ever come up. So I really think it's how well you do as a Dom, a Master, etc., not how much cash you have in the bank, or "potential".

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/22/2006 2:44:56 AM

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PS - no matter what it says under My name - I'm definitely NOT Vanilla! LOL

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/22/2006 3:34:05 AM

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PS - no matter what it says under My name - I'm definitely NOT Vanilla! LOL

Welcome to the boards. Don't worry about the Vanilla thing, thats simply a marker of how many posts you've made (See 'forum rankings' at the top of this forum 'General BDSM' for details) and will move on as you become more active in the forums.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/22/2006 2:34:46 PM

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Welcome CavalierI ... don't sweat the ice cream cone .. it'll disappear as you post and give people your insight and opinion of the lifestyle ..

in this lifestyle I have for years been under the impression it was my mind you seeked to control you . not my american express card

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/22/2006 6:36:23 PM

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As far as low income goes, my Husband and i both work very hard and still come up short some months.That doesn't mean that we don't have fun. There's no shame in putting a new toy or an outing in a budget, it's called real life. i don't think money should matter, if nothing else it gives the Doms more room to be creative:-)

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/23/2006 2:44:41 AM

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Thanks Tamerofwild1's and RavenMuse for the welcome - I belatedly figured out that the graphic icecream cone related to how many posts One/one has made. I do appreciate the welcome just the same though.

By way of a slight introduction here - I'm not new to online- but I generally haven't had the time to post to forums much in the past. I do believe in sharing what I know to newer Dom's (primarily locally to where I have lived or visited) and stay within the concepts of safe, sane and consentual play. I am a member of the Gentleman Dom's Society (Fesselnherren), and play regularly in Southern California both in Clubs and privately, I travelled a bit in the past and played in Europe also. I'm not a Pro as some would say, just a very well skilled Master with good long time play references.

I hope to get a chance to post more here regularly.

*bows*

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/23/2006 5:42:15 AM

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As far as low income goes, my Husband and i both work very hard and still come up short some months.That doesn't mean that we don't have fun. There's no shame in putting a new toy or an outing in a budget, it's called real life. i don't think money should matter, if nothing else it gives the Doms more room to be creative:-)

Thank you. You got it in one and it is exactly what I was refering to in my OP......

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/23/2006 7:53:26 AM

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A lot of people have a plethora of excuses for why they are where they are. . .but I think a lot of it could have been avoided. I dont use "wealth" as an indicator or morality or a baromoeter of a person being good or bad. Being poor isnt morally reprehensible. I do use it as a criteria for a mate. . . .personal preference.

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I guess you have never gone through a divorce...or that you just spent eight years and $200,000 in student loans on your education and could not find employment. Suppose you worked for Enron and lost your entire pension plan? How about a catastrophic illness that empties your bank account? And what about the elderly who require nursing home care, the cost of which eats up their life savings?

Being judgmental about those undergoing financial hardship isn't a particularly endearing quality, becaause people do not always have control over their financial situation.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/23/2006 8:38:49 AM

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As far as low income goes, my Husband and i both work very hard and still come up short some months.That doesn't mean that we don't have fun. There's no shame in putting a new toy or an outing in a budget, it's called real life. i don't think money should matter, if nothing else it gives the Doms more room to be creative:-)

Thank you. You got it in one and it is exactly what I was refering to in my OP......

Good Goddess IB how did this thread get to all this craziness--I think we need some Foster's going around--anyway here are My continuing thoughts--

In America, the average middle and upper middle class family lives one paycheck away from bankruptcy--the housing market is set to bottom out in the next 24 months--which means you won't be able to buy or sell--foreclosures will hit an all time high, the majority of those in the 50 something age bracket upon which today 75% of America's business base depends---

My point here is not My source for the stats, My point is we as human beings place too much focus on the "cashable" qualities and not enough on the "priceless" values. I have had more than My share of subs who have either offered to leave their jobs and be cared for by Me totally, or have tried to impress Me with their "wealth", both with NO concept of care, affection, human kindness---puhleez, one fart in the stockmarket and we are all screwed---

I want someone with priceless values and I hope My sub wants the same for at the end of the day, we all look the same on the morticians table.

It is not what we do in life, it is what we do FOR life that should count.

Hugs IB and My best wishes to You and Your House.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/23/2006 8:55:16 AM

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A lot of people have a plethora of excuses for why they are where they are. . .but I think a lot of it could have been avoided. I dont use "wealth" as an indicator or morality or a baromoeter of a person being good or bad. Being poor isnt morally reprehensible. I do use it as a criteria for a mate. . . .personal preference.

P

I guess you have never gone through a divorce...or that you just spent eight years and $200,000 in student loans on your education and could not find employment. Suppose you worked for Enron and lost your entire pension plan? How about a catastrophic illness that empties your bank account? And what about the elderly who require nursing home care, the cost of which eats up their life savings?

Being judgmental about those undergoing financial hardship isn't a particularly endearing quality, becaause people do not always have control over their financial situation.

At least she is being honest and there are a lot of women like her. A few years ago I fell from a great height and crashed on my face financially through many reasons, separation, illness and several other reasons that fate conspired against me. I was lucky I had a few loyal friends who helped me out and with a few lucky breaks I got back on my feet reasonably quickly. I couldn't help but notice that once I was obviously materially better off I had more and more success with women. It was one of the reasons I've decided to stay single.

I hasten to add one of those friends that helped me out was a female friend I have known for years that I will stay eternally grateful to but many women want financial security when looking for a partner. They won't get it from me however, unless its my friend.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/23/2006 9:55:03 AM

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Being able to manage money, pay bills on time, live within a budget can be done if you are rich or poor and to me is pretty much a basic requirement.

There are poor people who can manage the above and people with loads of money who can't. If I had the choice of being someone rich who couldn't handle money and being poor but handling my money well I would take poor any day, I could always rob a rich person if I truly needed money.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/23/2006 10:02:24 AM

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If I had the choice of being someone rich who couldn't handle money and being poor but handling my money well I would take poor any day, I could always rob a rich person if I truly needed money.

Surely if someone is rich, it's because they can handle money, even if they have earned it or not, if they couldn't handle money they wouldn't be rich, at least not for long.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/23/2006 10:06:04 AM

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cleaver, people get rich for all sorts of reasons, very few of which have to do with the ability to handle money. How many were "rich" during the dot com craze and are now working at Starbucks? I know quite a few. How many were simply at the right place at the right time or picked the right parents?

I had a roommate who lived in the house I owned. He made about four times what I made and was always borrowing money from me. I now own two houses, he still rents and still makes about four times what I make and is still always strugling to make ends meet. I am poor, he isn't, lifes a funny bitch.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/23/2006 10:07:58 AM

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Trust funds are such a marvelous invention for the Rich and Inept......

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/23/2006 10:11:41 AM

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Oh if only I had your brevity Sir, well done!

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