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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/21/2006 9:13:56 AM

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While I do not judge a person by their wealth or status, and I am not by any means a gold digger or anything of the sort, I did have to end a relationship at one time with a Dom that was unemployed, he was unemployed when we met and was unemployed a year later ...and all through the year... if you can't get a job, and you can't keep a job, something so basic, then you obviously do not have control of your own life, if you don't have control of your own life, you can't have control over someone elses. JMHO.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/26/2006 7:14:01 PM

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No surprise in a discussion of wealth and resources, anti-Semitism raises its ugly head. Better to blame Jews for your sorry ass poverty than the fact that you are an uneducated lout who can't support your own family without the help of the State -- and if we didn't have laws to make you pay for your children that you so thoughtlessly fathered, you'd dodge that obligation too.

You know what, we Jews DO own the resources, the media, and yes, even CollarMe. We -- and other groups you hate like Asians, immigrants, gays -- work hard, take care of our own and marshall our resources. No wonder we succeed where you don't.

Anonymously yours, The K.

I actually discovered a system over many decades of life and it has proven to be highly effective for me:

I decided a long time ago to simply hate everyone, even before I meet them. Now, while this may seem to many as unkind or obtrusive, at 48, my memory simply isn't what it used to be and it allows me to go through life never wondering at all what someone said, or why they in fact originally pissed me off, moreover, I never have to remember whether or not I will feel a need to swear at them at any given moment.

It's a relief. It just gives a man wings I tell you.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/26/2006 7:17:30 PM

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Wow I made an error, I responded to this post because I thought it was new, now I can't even find my own post because of so many responses Im still learning how to use this forum.

(Don't worry about it...I can't find your post either)

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/26/2006 7:18:43 PM

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Donald Trump has lost more money than just about anyone in the world. And he's still rich. Why? He was born even richer than he is now.

Uhmmm....just for the record...Donald wasn't born with a net worth of 6 - 9 billion.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/26/2006 7:23:39 PM

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I love it when guys tell me they have a fantasy about a rich Domme. Usually it goes something like this - rich, elegant woman in big black limousine pulls up alongside them while they're on the street, someone jumps out, grabs them, cuffs them, and throws them in the car. They are then whisked away to a remote cabin in the woods to be tied up, tortured and used for days. To this I say: Cool fantasy. I'd love to play. Go pay the rental on the limousine and the cabin...then we'll talk. Somehow that always seems to deflate their little balloons. So often I hear subs complaining about 'Money Dommes'. But they don't think anything of expecting a Domme to invest in outrageously expensive equipment to make their little fantasies come true. Get real.

Well, it's like my father once told me when I was about 11 or so..."Son, you can fall in love with a rich Domme just as well as a poor Domme".

I've never forgotten that.

Dad was no dummy.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/26/2006 11:50:53 PM

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For me (and I do sincerely apoligize for not wading through the entire 22 pages, therefore this may be a repeat), I find that there is a financial limit in place.... to an extent. For instance, I was speaking with a sub who shall obviously remain nameless. She is very able to work, intelligent, with no disabilities to speak of. Yet she has a bloody excuse for everything. 19, never had a job, no high school diploma, blah blah blah. Everything in the entire world is someone elses fault. Separately, I would have no problems with any ONE of these things... Cumulatively though, they make me wonder about how stable a sub she would make. If I'm in a relationship with someone and times get tough, I don't mind supporting them, especially if I care for them... Illness, crappy job market, family stuff, all of these things happen. And cursing them won't do shit. But supporting someone right off the bat who doesn't really even strike me as WANTING to be self sufficient... I suppose that strikes a bit of a nerve with me. I suppose I feel that I have worked hard to be where I am, and to be able to live comfortably and still get my bi-weekly pedicures (hehe). I don't feel I should have to compromise that for someone who doesn't seem to care enough to support themselves. The job market in Alberta is sooooo incredible right now, that I'm sorry, I really don;t see much of an excuse to be out of work. Everyone has had crappy ass jobs... Like McDonalds, or Sportmart, or Walmart.. whatever. I don't need my (personal) subs to be multi billionaires, I don't even need them to work a stunning job. Minimum wage even is totally fine... But I feel that people co-existing with me in my personal space need to contribute something to that space. Feel free to flame me at will lol.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 2:26:23 AM

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If everyone had invested when this thread began, considering compound interest, we would all be very wealthy now.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 3:40:07 AM

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Ummm...just for the record, the dollar isn't worth the same today as it was then. Besides, he wasn't born with anything. It was his Daddy's money.

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Donald Trump has lost more money than just about anyone in the world. And he's still rich. Why? He was born even richer than he is now.

Uhmmm....just for the record...Donald wasn't born with a net worth of 6 - 9 billion.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 3:58:25 AM

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For me (and I do sincerely apoligize for not wading through the entire 22 pages, therefore this may be a repeat), I find that there is a financial limit in place.... to an extent. For instance, I was speaking with a sub who shall obviously remain nameless. She is very able to work, intelligent, with no disabilities to speak of. Yet she has a bloody excuse for everything. 19, never had a job, no high school diploma, blah blah blah. Everything in the entire world is someone elses fault. Separately, I would have no problems with any ONE of these things... Cumulatively though, they make me wonder about how stable a sub she would make. If I'm in a relationship with someone and times get tough, I don't mind supporting them, especially if I care for them... Illness, crappy job market, family stuff, all of these things happen. And cursing them won't do shit. But supporting someone right off the bat who doesn't really even strike me as WANTING to be self sufficient... I suppose that strikes a bit of a nerve with me. I suppose I feel that I have worked hard to be where I am, and to be able to live comfortably and still get my bi-weekly pedicures (hehe). I don't feel I should have to compromise that for someone who doesn't seem to care enough to support themselves. The job market in Alberta is sooooo incredible right now, that I'm sorry, I really don;t see much of an excuse to be out of work. Everyone has had crappy ass jobs... Like McDonalds, or Sportmart, or Walmart.. whatever. I don't need my (personal) subs to be multi billionaires, I don't even need them to work a stunning job. Minimum wage even is totally fine... But I feel that people co-existing with me in my personal space need to contribute something to that space. Feel free to flame me at will lol.

Why flame? What you said makes a whole lotta sense.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 4:15:35 AM

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I think it is important that atleast both the Domme and sub to have jobs and be self-sufficient, as well as strong. My first relationship started when i was doing some college, so I was stuck on a student budget, well, more like welfare during that period as I was doing schooling long enough to get money for living expenses. It was quite concern for me not able to afford much, and I feel bad whenever she spends money on me and not able to help out or spend on her in return. I even warned her before the relationship that if she starts doing that I risk feeling like I am dependent on her at some which I do not want. What happens? I end feeling to dependent on her, especially with all the emotions involved didn't either, so made that one of the reasons to get rid of me. :rolleyes:

Since, I made sure to just focus on getting some work, getting off welfare finally, and after short series of temp jobs got a full time one which I am still, and currently being played as a ping pong ball. :p In turn, makes me feel way more confident to be able to hold out on my own end and show to be self-sufficient, as well active considering all the volunteering and organizing I do as well after work. Now the goal is if nothing holds me here in Ottawa, try to atleast move to Montreal and explore a bigger community.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 5:29:15 AM

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Ummm...just for the record, the dollar isn't worth the same today as it was then. Besides, he wasn't born with anything. It was his Daddy's money.

Can't argue with that...only your original comment.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 8:04:38 AM

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I think it is important that atleast both the Domme and sub to have jobs and be self-sufficient, as well as strong. My first relationship started when i was doing some college, so I was stuck on a student budget, well, more like welfare during that period as I was doing schooling long enough to get money for living expenses. It was quite concern for me not able to afford much, and I feel bad whenever she spends money on me and not able to help out or spend on her in return. I even warned her before the relationship that if she starts doing that I risk feeling like I am dependent on her at some which I do not want. What happens? I end feeling to dependent on her, especially with all the emotions involved didn't either, so made that one of the reasons to get rid of me. :rolleyes:

Since, I made sure to just focus on getting some work, getting off welfare finally, and after short series of temp jobs got a full time one which I am still, and currently being played as a ping pong ball. :p In turn, makes me feel way more confident to be able to hold out on my own end and show to be self-sufficient, as well active considering all the volunteering and organizing I do as well after work. Now the goal is if nothing holds me here in Ottawa, try to atleast move to Montreal and explore a bigger community.

-mellian

It depends on the two people involved. My husband/boytoy/manwhore does not work and will never work as long as it is my way; it does not make it seem like he is dependent on me. I rely on him just as much as he relies on me, because he runs the household and manages every detail of my life so that I don't have to worry about anything. If anything, *I* am more dependent on him - it would be a very difficult transition for me to go back to taking care of all my own crap while managing my business and career.

It's important, though, for the non-working partner to have structure, initiative and not fall prey to laziness or complacency. I can easily see a bad situation if a submissive just made it into a paid vacation. My man keeps very busy and if he isn't working on my stuff, he's either working on keep in shape for me or spending the remaining time in a volunteer position for an organization we both support. If he's spending 50% of his time doing volunteer work, we've struck a great balance for both of us. Eventually, I'd like to spend 50% of my time as well, but we aren't in a position financially yet.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 8:17:51 AM

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Then what was your point?

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Ummm...just for the record, the dollar isn't worth the same today as it was then. Besides, he wasn't born with anything. It was his Daddy's money.

Can't argue with that...only your original comment.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 8:28:57 AM

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... But I feel that people co-existing with me in my personal space need to contribute something to that space. Feel free to flame me at will lol.

Why flame? What you said makes a whole lotta sense.

Yup, I agree! ...and with what AAkasha said. See, while I've never been a 'stay at home housewife' I see GREAT value in that job, as well! If I could, I'd trade room & board for that kind of service... <sigh> and I'm no Domme...

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 8:29:54 AM

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Then what was your point?

That you were wrong.

"He was born even richer than he is now"

It's simply not true.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 9:00:49 AM

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It IS true. This is stupid. Do you think I'm "richer" than someone who earned $20,000 a year in 1810 just because I earn a lot more than $20,000 a year today? Donald Trump's father, Fred Trump (who died in 1999), founded the Trump Organization and covered his son's outrageous debts and failures.

Besides, NO ONE claims that Donald Trump's current net worth is $6-9 billion. Only LTRsubNW on Collarme claims that. Forbes has his net worth below $3 billion. And if you're seriously interested in the mysteries of Trump's net worth, and not just starting a pissing contest with someone who seems to know the facts a little better than you do, you might find this article very interesting:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/23/business/yourmoney/23trump.html?ex=1287720000&en=f6a28aab39166801&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

You might find it illuminating to talk to some of Trump's creditors, too.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 10:35:02 AM

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Bearlee, I agree, stay at home subs who like to cook and clean and do housework in a sexy maid's uniform are a nice thing to have!
They would be for me anyway!
I'm in a different situation than most people I guess.
I'm retired military and get a generous pension and retired fairly early in life.
I'm I guess what you'd call "financially comfortable."
I really have no money worries and good financials but I'm not rich.
This allows me to do more or less, whatever I want and having the "time" to do what I want makes things a whole lot more comfortable!
I can travel to meet someone and don't have to worry about being back at a certain time for "work" for example.
Sure, I could work and "chase the buck" but why?
I have more than I need.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 11:03:22 AM

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I think we must be realistic that both Master and a slave will need to have a job now days. It is no different if Husband and wife both have must a job so they can live.

Baah. that's puss-wipes that don't want to take responsibility for their families or for their standard of living. One income can work if you don't need two cars, a TV in every room, and more than 4 pairs of shoes per person. What has happened to men? Remember when it was a dishonor to have to send the wife out to work?

Now things have changed so radically that men are embarrassed to have their women at home tending the kids, and god forbid, developing themselves in ways that don't bring in paychecks. They want to brag they have a high-powered woman in a business suit .. it's become the new trophy-wife.

The response to that will be, i'm sure "But I want an intelligent woman", which implies... as one stated already here... that any intelligent woman would be bored staying at home. Why? Because she doesn't have enough intelligence to find ways to stimulate her mind unless someone is paying her to do so? I'm not buying it.

Anyway, about low income Dominants, i'd take low income if it's honest work, if income is only limited by what's available and such. If it's low income because He cannot play well with others and gets canned regularly and always has excuses why it's everyone's fault but His own.. that's a no-go.

(Realises that the Dominant position might be Female, and as always, whoever is in charge can delegate the responsibility for breadwinner wherever they wish, i'm only addressing my dynamic, male Dom/ female sub/slave)

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 1:53:07 PM

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Sorry, i responded earlier to the twist in the topic, not the actual thread questions. to do that properly:

yes, there actually ARe times i would say a community can reject a Dom or sub for financial reasons, IF the financial problem is a direct direct result of disrespectful behavior or practices, of if they mis-use support systems.

example. Dom is always *between jobs*, can't attend functions because His truck never runs, in litigation with the last 3 contractors that had the misfortune to hire Him, yet He expects us to see Him as a "leader"?

example. Well known Dominant on disability, but somehow manages to come to the club or play parties and wield a flogger, or do things the disability check is supposed to be compensating for. Makes me want to ask, "How disabled ARE you anyway?? " If you can wield a flogger and drive to playparties, you can prolly also drive a cab. Just because one qualifies for disablility, doesn't mean one should take it if they can find suitable work that accomodates thier physical limitations.

i don't think it's snobbing because He's broke. It's deciding what level of honesty and integrity we expect in our associations.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 7/27/2006 2:26:07 PM

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So, does this make me a caustic, insensitive, status-seeking bitch because I wouldn't consider some dom who wrote saying my profile sounded neat; that he'd soon be leaving his slob of a wife who cheats on welfare...just as soon as his subsidized housing comes through?

I dunno, I figure a guy should either be working or retired. Well, or independently wealthy. <grinz> I work and expect to pay my way, but I’m not going to support someone else in the manner to which I’ve become accustomed (which isn’t all that much, but I’ve got my own home and my little five-year old Frontier is paid for.) I expect a guy to have a place to live and a vehicle that runs.

What makes someone who can’t take care of themselves think they can take care of another, anyway? It makes no sense to me. Maybe some people just can’t afford slaves.

Obviously things ‘happen’, I was on and off welfare when my son was young; but went back to work when he was in school most of the day. Times can be rough; I don’t need a lot of money…just a guy who’s responsible for himself and what’s his. I don't think that's unreasonable.

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