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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/2/2009 7:22:52 PM

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Now, considering that I do not live in the US, and have been surprised more than once already where it came to circumstances in other countries, I have to ask if you guys and gals really feel you need to keep a gun handy in case of a home invasion or other violent crimes? Is it really so commonplace to wake up in the middle of the night to strangers standing at the foot of your bed? And if so, why is it so abhorrent a thought to require gun ownership courses before getting one? It would only make sense, would it not? If the danger is big enough that guns are needed, make sure the people know how to use it, otherwise you could have just handed out rocks to throw.

And yes, looking on from the other side of the pond, I can not relate. If I would feel so unsafe and threatened in my own home that I would feel the need for a gun, I would be moving already.
Oh, and not ever sleep, ever again, while still in that place.

Yes, many feel it necessary to keep a gun handy in the even of a problem with predators (two or four legged), just as we keep fire extinuishers, spare tires for our vehicles, etc.
A gun is a tool, with no intent or purpose other than that of its operator.
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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/2/2009 9:20:55 PM

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Guns are so evil we should get rid of all of them. There will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be a situation where our government will become tyrannical. And, our nation could never be conquered ever because we will stay number one for ever. Our children will live in a number one society, our great grandchildren will also live in a number one society. History has shown that governments are never tyrannical, they are all like little bunny rabbits that you can cuddle with. Oh also, there aren't any bad people out there they are all good.

lets all flap pink palm palms around and shove our heads up our as*es YAAAAAY

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 12:10:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

Now, considering that I do not live in the US, and have been surprised more than once already where it came to circumstances in other countries, I have to ask if you guys and gals really feel you need to keep a gun handy in case of a home invasion or other violent crimes? Is it really so commonplace to wake up in the middle of the night to strangers standing at the foot of your bed?

Not so commonplace that I need to have a loaded gun near the bed, but common enough that it's not a bad idea to have one. Violent home invasions really are an everyday occurrence in the US. Not an everyday occurrence in every town, but every day numerous homes across the country are broken into by armed intruders. Quite a few within a few miles of my house over the last few years. It's extremely unlikely that I'll ever need one, but I'd far rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

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And if so, why is it so abhorrent a thought to require gun ownership courses before getting one? It would only make sense, would it not?

Not abhorrent to me at all; in fact, I'm 100% in favor of it. Personally, I've gone through a rudimentary police weapons training course, with particular emphasis on handgun proficiency and "shoot/don't shoot" simulations and scenarios, in addition to other firearms usage and safety courses. I feel quite confident in my ability to use the weapon effectively, as well as make sound decisions on target identification and whether or not shooting is warranted in any given situation. I strongly support some sort of standardized training and certification program for handgun owners, and would be inclined to support similar such programs for owners of all firearms.

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And yes, looking on from the other side of the pond, I can not relate. If I would feel so unsafe and threatened in my own home that I would feel the need for a gun, I would be moving already.

It has crossed my mind more and more often over the last several years. What's the immigration situation in Germany?

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 5:32:28 AM

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Guns are so evil we should get rid of all of them. There will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be a situation where our government will become tyrannical. And, our nation could never be conquered ever because we will stay number one for ever. Our children will live in a number one society, our great grandchildren will also live in a number one society. History has shown that governments are never tyrannical, they are all like little bunny rabbits that you can cuddle with. Oh also, there aren't any bad people out there they are all good. lets all flap pink palm palms around and shove our heads up our as*es YAAAAAY

I hope the above was written "tongue in cheek."

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 10:40:44 AM

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Guns aren't evil...some people are evil. Let's get rid of the evil people.

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 10:50:14 AM

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Guns aren't evil...some people are evil. Let's get rid of the evil people.

And the armed citizens are the best ones to take care of that issue.
Police are there to clean up after the mess, not be proactive.

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 11:37:26 AM

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Guns aren't evil...some people are evil. Let's get rid of the evil people.

And the armed citizens are the best ones to take care of that issue.
Police are there to clean up after the mess, not be proactive.

There are times I feel I might be a little too vocal on these threads.......than I read the opinions of some of the advocates.....and realise I'm not nearly vocal enough.
First we get a new variation of the tired old "guns don't kill people......"
Than we receive a clarion call for all to be armed,or at the least a large segment of the Citizenry to be armed....supposedly in response to the "other" armed segment of our society.....Just how violent are we?

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 11:56:27 AM

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We are too violent right now.
However, to quote Heinlein, "an armed society is a polite society".'
I am not advocating mandatory gun ownership. But more widespread armament would make a predator think twice since he wouldn't know which prospective prey are able to stop him. Permanently.

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 12:03:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: janiebelle

We are too violent right now.
However, to quote Heinlein, "an armed society is a polite society".'
I am not advocating mandatory gun ownership. But more widespread armament would make a predator think twice since he wouldn't know which prospective prey are able to stop him. Permanently.

Heinlein's quote is proven wrong every day in the United States......we are by any definition "an armed society"....yet by no stretch of the imagination are we "a polite society".
More widespread armament is hardly possible given the saturation of guns in our society.....but,more is more for everyone...includint those you are obstensibly arming yourself against.An interesting concept,sort of like intra-mural sports...our very own domestic arms race.

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 12:04:30 PM

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Or make them want to steal your guns(if then know they are there).

There`s also this fantasy that you`ll shoot only bad guys and not yourself,your neighbor or a loved one.Even an accident is just as permanent.

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 4:23:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: janiebelle

We are too violent right now.
However, to quote Heinlein, "an armed society is a polite society".'
I am not advocating mandatory gun ownership. But more widespread armament would make a predator think twice since he wouldn't know which prospective prey are able to stop him. Permanently.

Heinlein's quote is proven wrong every day in the United States......we are by any definition "an armed society"....yet by no stretch of the imagination are we "a polite society".
More widespread armament is hardly possible given the saturation of guns in our society.....but,more is more for everyone...includint those you are obstensibly arming yourself against.An interesting concept,sort of like intra-mural sports...our very own domestic arms race.

I live in a rural area with every teenager carries at least a hunting rifle in his pickup truck. Little girls are taught to shoot .22 LRs when they are about seven. Seeing a lady at the grocery store with that distinctive "print" is not unusual at all. There is a loaded gun in every room of my house, just in case I need to be out the door with one in a hurry (we have four legged as well as two legged predators).
And here, the people wear their pants pulled up, their hats on straight, go to church on Sunday, and address each other as "Sir" and "Ma'am". And I can't think of one murder by gunshot in years (though I know of a couple of suicides). Mutally Assured Destruction ended the cold war, why don't you you think it can keep peoples' behavior in check?

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 4:29:58 PM

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Or make them want to steal your guns(if then know they are there).

There`s also this fantasy that you`ll shoot only bad guys and not yourself,your neighbor or a loved one.Even an accident is just as permanent.

Thieving isn't common in places thieves know that there are likely to be armed people. One look at my home, and you know a gun lives here. If you don't want to know what kind, you just keep going.
I have never shot anyone, accidentally or otherwise. There have only been two situations where a gun has saved my life, and I never fired a round. There is a freezer full of venison that wouldn't be there without a good rifle.
Just as fear of auto accidents should make one wear a seatbelt rather than crush his car, concern over an accidental discharge should make one take the time to become proficient with weapons.
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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 5:45:52 PM

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Thieving isn't common in places thieves know that there are likely to be armed people. One look at my home, and you know a gun lives here. If you don't want to know what kind, you just keep going.
I have never shot anyone, accidentally or otherwise. There have only been two situations where a gun has saved my life, and I never fired a round. There is a freezer full of venison that wouldn't be there without a good rifle.
Just as fear of auto accidents should make one wear a seatbelt rather than crush his car, concern over an accidental discharge should make one take the time to become proficient with weapons.
j

It never ceases to amaze me, on every gun thread someone who believes they need a gun for self-protection coincidentally has at least one or two stories where a gun has saved their life.

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 5:52:03 PM

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Thieving isn't common in places thieves know that there are likely to be armed people. One look at my home, and you know a gun lives here. If you don't want to know what kind, you just keep going.
I have never shot anyone, accidentally or otherwise. There have only been two situations where a gun has saved my life, and I never fired a round. There is a freezer full of venison that wouldn't be there without a good rifle.
Just as fear of auto accidents should make one wear a seatbelt rather than crush his car, concern over an accidental discharge should make one take the time to become proficient with weapons.
j

It never ceases to amaze me, on every gun thread someone who believes they need a gun for self-protection coincidentally has at least one or two stories where a gun has saved their life.

Amazing isn't it? It would be real shock for someone who does not carry a gun to have had such an experience.
A gun is a lot like a parachute: chances are you'll never need it. But when that time does come, nothing else will do.

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 6:05:27 PM

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Amazing isn't it? It would be real shock for someone who does not carry a gun to have had such an experience.
A gun is a lot like a parachute: chances are you'll never need it. But when that time does come, nothing else will do.

Yes, it is amazing.

How is it I've lived my whole life, some of it in high-crime urban areas like Chicago's south side, and have never, ever felt the need to have a gun to protect myself?

Nor have I ever been in a situation where I felt it would have been beneficial.

Yet you say you are in a rural area and a gun has saved your life twice?

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RE: Another win for the 2nd Amendment - 5/3/2009 8:27:08 PM

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It never ceases to amaze me, on every gun thread someone who believes they need a gun for self-protection coincidentally has at least one or two stories where a gun has saved their life.

Can you point out one time I claimed a gun saved my life?

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